Game Review 10 hrs later

[tennesseeduke]

Now that I've had a chance to breath and digest the game, here is my analysis 10 hrs later.

1. For 3 quarters anything and everything that could go wrong, DID.
a. 1st punt return by nations best punt returner, fumbled, setting them up.
b. A TD that was not a TD. How can 2 hands, pulled to the body, both feet inside the end zone, falling to the ground not be a TD? I thought once the plain of the goal line is broken with control anywhere, it's a TD? Never will understand that logic.
c. JRM getting ejected for hitting a punt returner who did not signal fair catch. This hurt the D-fence for 2 quarters. Cortez McDowell is solid depth though.
d. Dobbs picked off before halftime. To be so smart that was the dumbest throw he could've made.

2. App St. had a great game plan. Kill clock every play and shorten the game. Even using the "my leg is cramped up" every chance they could.

3. We over looked them. You cannot tell me UT was not already in Bristol with 150000 fans and game day!

4. We did not run our normal offense and I'm not sure why. I don't think vanilla is the right word for it, but it was strange. 2 runs and pass, 2 runs and pass basically every series.

5. Richmond has to improve. Wiesman needs to be a back up.

6. EB needs to be on offense and kick returns. Dude is electric!

7. Field goal kicking looked much improved. Daniels is a beast and weapon.

8. Team didn't panic, only the fans did.

9. Defense got better as the game went along. That was encouraging. Especially with JRM out. From the middle of the 3rd quarter on, I'm not sure they gained more than 25 yds total.

10. 9 days to prep and get ready for UT's biggest game in a few years. Meaning national attention, where are we really, 150000 there etc....They say teams make there most improvement from game 1 to game 2. Let's hope so. Kick VT ass and no one will remember last nights struggles.

Thoughts Vol Nation?

:loco:

Tennesseeduke

 

[LakeMaryFLVol]

Spot on

 

[RollerVol]

pretty...damn...good...Duke...not much to disagree with here...:good!:

GO VOLS!

 

[TN Outlaw]

I hope you are right on most every account. Lots of good teams start off sluggish or have a bad game and a lot went against em the 1st half. That said, lots of improvement needed pretty much everywhere. D looked pretty good late in the game and applied pressure consistantly. Need to clean up missed tkl's and getting JRM back will go a long way.

I'll give it 2 more weeks before I make my mind up that the sky is falling or not. Lol

 

[wtmvol]

On 1b, you have to complete the catch all the way to the ground. It's different than just running the ball across the goal line, where the "breaks the plain" phrase would come into play. Now, if Preston had "Gaffney" on the back of his jersey...

 

[The Tall Gguy]

I agree. The gameplan was just beat them with showing as little as possible. Dobbs looked handcuffed. Maybe he is hurt. Who knows.

We will see this coming weekend. I like getting a win.

 

[tennesseeduke]

On 1b, you have to complete the catch all the way to the ground. It's different than just running the ball across the goal line, where the "breaks the plain" phrase would come into play. Now, if Preston had "Gaffney" on the back of his jersey...

Yes but that's 2 different rules for basically making the same call. That's just stupid and needs to be looked at.

:thud:

Tennesseeduke

 

[Ace]

Now that I've had a chance to breath and digest the game, here is my analysis 10 hrs later.

1. For 3 quarters anything and everything that could go wrong, DID.
a. 1st punt return by nations best punt returner, fumbled, setting them up.
b. A TD that was not a TD. How can 2 hands, pulled to the body, both feet inside the end zone, falling to the ground not be a TD? I thought once the plain of the goal line is broken with control anywhere, it's a TD? Never will understand that logic.
c. JRM getting ejected for hitting a punt returner who did not signal fair catch. This hurt the D-fence for 2 quarters. Cortez McDowell is solid depth though.
d. Dobbs picked off before halftime. To be so smart that was the dumbest throw he could've made.

2. App St. had a great game plan. Kill clock every play and shorten the game. Even using the "my leg is cramped up" every chance they could.

3. We over looked them. You cannot tell me UT was not already in Bristol with 150000 fans and game day!

4. We did not run our normal offense and I'm not sure why. I don't think vanilla is the right word for it, but it was strange. 2 runs and pass, 2 runs and pass basically every series.

5. Richmond has to improve. Wiesman needs to be a back up.

6. EB needs to be on offense and kick returns. Dude is electric!

7. Field goal kicking looked much improved. Daniels is a beast and weapon.

8. Team didn't panic, only the fans did.

9. Defense got better as the game went along. That was encouraging. Especially with JRM out. From the middle of the 3rd quarter on, I'm not sure they gained more than 25 yds total.

10. 9 days to prep and get ready for UT's biggest game in a few years. Meaning national attention, where are we really, 150000 there etc....They say teams make there most improvement from game 1 to game 2. Let's hope so. Kick VT ass and no one will remember last nights struggles.

Thoughts Vol Nation?

:loco:

Tennesseeduke

Wiesman played better than any lineman we have. He was trying to help Thomas and Richmond as their men ran by them.

Appy State put together a good drive at end of regulation that fell one second short of a potential game winning field goal try.

To a degree a big win over Va Tech will help, but team being unprepared for this game is a big concern.

 

[wtmvol]

Yes but that's 2 different rules for basically making the same call. That's just stupid and needs to be looked at.

:thud:

Tennesseeduke

I know what you're saying, but it has to be 2 different rules. In 1 situation, you're already in possession of the ball prior to getting to the endzone. In the other, you're trying to get possession of the ball in the endzone.

Think of it this way - if that was the same exact play, but Preston was on the 30 yard line, it would still be incomplete.

Bottom line, Preston needs to learn the power of the death grip, where no force on earth would be strong enough to dislodge the ball.

 

[savannahfan]

No o line. Do you think this goes unnoticed by VT?

 

[HeyHeyUT]

This is a summary. I am not worried about Dobbs, he is a SR proven playmaker and will bounce back.

Oline needs to gel and play better. More talented and experienced than last year, but really didn't find their groove.

Great game by App State. Other than their kicker, they played a perfect game.

 

[VolFan4Life87]

On 1b, you have to complete the catch all the way to the ground. It's different than just running the ball across the goal line, where the "breaks the plain" phrase would come into play. Now, if Preston had "Gaffney" on the back of his jersey...

Technically he did control it all the way to the ground. The ground knocked it loose but he had full control until that very moment. I've seen other instances just like it where they were reviewing if it was a fumble or not, rather than an incompletion and it was ruled not a fumble as the ground cannot cause a fumble. The player was 'down' the moment they hit the ground.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Agreed. I did not see this coming; I expected a fairly vanilla game plan, but a 21+ win. OP's assessment is probably the most accurate after-action review I've read.

I'll reserve judgement until after the UF game, but the coaching staff has some work to do if Team 120 is to reach its' potential.

Go Vols.

 

[ToptheTerrible]

You last item is the best OP: if we do kick the crap out of VT, this will be forgotten. BUT if the game is close down the stretch, can this team mentally hang in there?

 

[walkenvol]

Richmond and Wiseman weren't even close to the weakest OL play last night. Without a rewatch, I don't recall the right side of the OL being the problem (although they didn't impress either). Appy came right up the middle mostly and then over the left side IIRC.

Would love to see how each of the OL graded out.

 

[Backwards K]

While I agree with most of the original post in this thread, a couple of things are disconcerting:
--Dobbs still struggles to throw the ball up field.
--The coaches game plan around Dobbs' struggles which causes a whole new set of problems
--Offensive line struggled to get much push against much smaller D linemen
--Defense was out of position most of the night allowing huge holes up the middle and allowed Appy State to get outside on them.
--Also, a question: why did UT continue to line Hurd up over left guard and try to run him over right tackle. Appy State was quicker and had a bunch of people at the point of attack?

Appy State was a solid team but UT will play much more talented teams in the coming months. UT's inability to stretch the field with any semblance of a downfield passing game will again hamstring them. Also, when a drive was sorely needed at the end of each half, once again, they failed miserably. You can't win championships if you can't do this.

 

[VoltillweFall]

Richmond and Wiseman weren't even close to the weakest OL play last night. Without a rewatch, I don't recall the right side of the OL being the problem (although they didn't impress either). Appy came right up the middle mostly and then over the left side IIRC.

Would love to see how each of the OL graded out.

This^ Robertson get his @$$whipped repeatedly. .. Replay of Hurd n Him gettin beat by 55 over n over.. Robertson played worse than his freshman year

 

[Orange Alert]

Yes but that's 2 different rules for basically making the same call. That's just stupid and needs to be looked at.

:thud:

Tennesseeduke

If you don't differentiate between the two scenarios it would lead to a repeat of the Jabar Gaffney "catch".

 

[ProfessorD]

Definitely need a huge improvement this week. But like you said go out this weekend and put a stomping on vt and this team is right back on track. We will see how vt looks this weekend but I dare to say they are much if any better than the app st. team we played last night.

Also the one long td play that was made by app st. was a perfectly called play against the type of blitz we had. He threw that ball up right as he was about to be killed and the Rb made a hell of a catch matched up against a de. If he had been covered by a db that ball isn't caught. Not an excuse just an observation. For those that want us to apply pressure don't be surprised if we get burnt every now and again. Still hopeful for a great season but I need to see some major improvement by next Saturday.


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[Revengevol]

GAME REVIEW
1. We sucked.

 

[Berry29]

Nicley said. couldnt agree more. I panicked forsure till they missed the FG

 

[90 Vol]

Appy State has a type of offense that can make a good defense look bad kind of like Ali fighting an unorthodox south paw. So, I'll give the defense a pass...for now.

Offensively, I'm not in favor of us running a vanilla game plan. I think it sends the wrong message to the team. Dobbs is not a great passer but IMO, the passing game opens up when Dobbs is involved in the running game.

The offensive line play was pitiful.

 

[KBVol]

Now that I've had a chance to breath and digest the game, here is my analysis 10 hrs later.

1. For 3 quarters anything and everything that could go wrong, DID.
a. 1st punt return by nations best punt returner, fumbled, setting them up.
b. A TD that was not a TD. How can 2 hands, pulled to the body, both feet inside the end zone, falling to the ground not be a TD? I thought once the plain of the goal line is broken with control anywhere, it's a TD? Never will understand that logic.
c. JRM getting ejected for hitting a punt returner who did not signal fair catch. This hurt the D-fence for 2 quarters. Cortez McDowell is solid depth though.
d. Dobbs picked off before halftime. To be so smart that was the dumbest throw he could've made.

2. App St. had a great game plan. Kill clock every play and shorten the game. Even using the "my leg is cramped up" every chance they could.

3. We over looked them. You cannot tell me UT was not already in Bristol with 150000 fans and game day!

4. We did not run our normal offense and I'm not sure why. I don't think vanilla is the right word for it, but it was strange. 2 runs and pass, 2 runs and pass basically every series.

5. Richmond has to improve. Wiesman needs to be a back up.

6. EB needs to be on offense and kick returns. Dude is electric!

7. Field goal kicking looked much improved. Daniels is a beast and weapon.

8. Team didn't panic, only the fans did.

9. Defense got better as the game went along. That was encouraging. Especially with JRM out. From the middle of the 3rd quarter on, I'm not sure they gained more than 25 yds total.

10. 9 days to prep and get ready for UT's biggest game in a few years. Meaning national attention, where are we really, 150000 there etc....They say teams make there most improvement from game 1 to game 2. Let's hope so. Kick VT ass and no one will remember last nights struggles.

Thoughts Vol Nation?

:loco:

Tennesseeduke

Wait a minute. That #5....you reference OL play and criticize both Richmond and Wiesman? Did you notice Coleman Thomas getting blown up and run by on virtually every play by an undersized NG? If you ask me, Richmond was ok, Wiesman played poorly, and Thomas was so atrociously bad that a coach with any stones whatsoever benches him for VT, drops him on the depth chart significantly and makes him earn any playing time in practice going forward.

 

[MiramarVol]

While I agree with most of the original post in this thread, a couple of things are disconcerting:
--Dobbs still struggles to throw the ball up field.
--The coaches game plan around Dobbs' struggles which causes a whole new set of problems
--Offensive line struggled to get much push against much smaller D linemen
--Defense was out of position most of the night allowing huge holes up the middle and allowed Appy State to get outside on them.
--Also, a question: why did UT continue to line Hurd up over left guard and try to run him over right tackle. Appy State was quicker and had a bunch of people at the point of attack?

Appy State was a solid team but UT will play much more talented teams in the coming months. UT's inability to stretch the field with any semblance of a downfield passing game will again hamstring them. Also, when a drive was sorely needed at the end of each half, once again, they failed miserably. You can't win championships if you can't do this.

So, tell me how you, Peyton, or Brady would throw downfield behind a line that couldn't get a push, much less hold a block?

 

[508mikey]

the wet slick field didnt help matters much either -- Dobbs traction looked rather timid - Kamara kept slipping --