Fulmer's thinking...

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sjt18 said:
Well said. Me too. He may not be HC material... but there's no doubt he's a football coach. Saw one report that credited him with a significant culture change at one of his stops. They were soft... he wouldn't allow it.
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yep. FSU. and a year later, he did the same thing at UGA.

i really feel like we fell in to a pretty damn good hire here.

and i credit fulmer for not doing the comfortable thing and hiring "inside the family". i think he really picked what he thought was the best football coach for this program.

if he was going to go solely on heart strings, loyalty or "buddies", we'd be bemoaning Kevin Steele or Tee Martin.

Pruitt has spent nearly 8 years with Saban and Smart. and Jimbo. and Richt.

i just don't think it's bat s**t to think this might actually work out pretty well.:thumbsup:
 
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Good thoughts, Sjt. I never considered before that staff budgets could be lowered with a head coach making lower than amount budgeted. Would seem to me they would have a certain budget for all coaches of a program and would not care how those funds were divvied up. Here's hoping the budget for assistant coaches helps expedite Us in the right direction.
 
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Smokey X said:
Agree...my biggest concern is can he get some great position coaches and S&C coaches...

a positive for getting CJP is that he will know the position coaches that are keepers such as CRG since he will have seen all of them...

for me the jury is still out on S&C coach since we only had him for 1 year...

don't really know what to think about Thig for coaching up the LB's...I haven't been overly impressed there...

If he can get some really good line & WR coaches, that is the point of greatest weakness. If he gets the position coaches, then the coordinators are a lesser concern for me...

he has worked with Pittman and Chaney who IMO are top notch...maybe with enough $$$ he can get them back
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S/C guy will be gone. Pruitt comes from Alabama. He is gonna change this football team back to a tough in your face football team. You will see.I seen where he is looking at a couple Georgia assitants. who are good recruiters. If Pruitt hire SEC type coaches and recruiters this is gonna be a great hire.
 
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jakez4ut said:
no, they didn't have to. but under the circumstance, it sure could be the prudent thing to do.
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My complaint is it continues a pattern of refusing to pay the price for a top coaching staff.

Hope I'm wrong. Some outstanding assistance coaches would certainly improve any HC's chances. If he let's them do their job, as opposed to a former coach.
 
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Seattle Hillbilly said:
My complaint is it continues a pattern of refusing to pay the price for a top coaching staff.

Hope I'm wrong. Some outstanding assistance coaches would certainly improve any HC's chances. If he let's them do their job, as opposed to a former coach.
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they weren't unwilling. we'll probably never know the actual offer for Gruden, but we offered Gundy nearly $7m/year for 6 yrs. so i'm gonna say Gruden's offer was more. brohm's offer was in the $5m range....Leach's would have been in the $6m range.

Pruitt got what the market says he should have gotten, if not a little more.....and that's with all the buyouts and settlements we'll be paying on in the near future.

LSS....getting Pruitt was not a result of being too cheap to shoot higher.
 
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Seattle Hillbilly said:
So the University of Tennessee, with it's storied football history and number of wealthy boosters, had to go cheap on the HC job in order to afford quality assistant coaches?

If so, that's a shame.
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You fools are just never gonna give that one up, are you?

Go buy a Kia but pay a Mercedes price if it soothes your self loathing.
 
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sjt18 said:
And all you seem to be doing is spewing unnecessary negativity because you're apparently to narrow in your thinking to consider that there might be more ways to build a winning staff than throwing $10 million per year at Gruden... or too much at "damaged goods" like Kelly, Kiffin, or Leach.
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Alabama boosters decided they had enough losing and watching a once great program be an embarrassment with mediocre coaches.

So, they kicked the admin in the nuts and had a plan with money as NO OBJECT. They went after a proven championship HEAD COACH and WOULD NOT LET HIM SAY NO.

They succeeded. got their man, and how did that work out, junior ?

So while your patting yourself on your back for being "wow, aint i positive? " ask this.....

How many other schools did UT have to fight to get this guy ? ....have a nice day
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
I am not comparing Schiano to Freeze but how could you bring Freeze on board with his baggage after the public outcry for potentially hiring Schiano?
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If it were me, I would get Art Briles if you want a OC with HC experience. I am convinced he was following the advice and instruction of Ken Starr.

The Freeze baggage isn't all that bad, it is still just fresh in everyone's minds right now. I think it is more of a question if those guys want to come here than if we want them.

The Schiano outcry was a false flag; people questioning a false accusation that involved kids. I get your point in mentioning it, but I wouldn't use orchestrated events to compare the real PR issues we might have with any hire.
 
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SandoVOL said:
That is exactly what didnt happen. Pruitt is sexton client, its business as usual on rocky top. You can quote me on that later.
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I could be wrong but if the Haslams had their man, it would have gone to schiano, Dave Doeren, or Mel tucker. So I'll take my chances and say Phil put his orange foot in the Haslams ass!
 
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Our assistant pool money was 5 million this past year. It's some kind of strange urban legend that UT wasn't paying Jones' assistants. There will be around 3-500 thousand more available for this new staff from what I've read. Not a significant increase from 2017.
 
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Word is that Pruitt actually negotiated a lower salary for himself to boost his assistant pool.
 
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sjt18 said:
When he ended up considering coordinators appears to have been to use the cash that didn't go to the HC to hire the rest of the staff.

That may end up being a very shrewd approach.
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First of all, Fulmer will have little to NO word on staff other than the dollars Pruitt can spend. The new coach will pick HIS staff.......only limitation will be the jack he can pay.
 
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Giveem6 said:
I'm just glad Fulmer slammed the door in Haslam face. This could have been tragically worse than it ended up being. Jimmy Haslam almost single handedly killed tennessee football but Fulmer said hell no! Love it!
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Yes he did. Haslam just announced today that his Browns coach who is 1 and 27 will return next year. He doesn't have a clue.
 
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Seattle Hillbilly said:
Good if true. You got a link for that?
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Not the link you were looking for, but it does give you some insight on assistant salary pools. I also saw the $5M number...but we were already at $4.6 according to USA Today and we are now adding a 10th assistant. In comparison, the gumps are at $6.5M for assistants...

Football | Assistant | Salaries | USA TODAY Sports

Regardless, I love the Pruitt hire all things considered. Old school southern hardass football coach that the kids love...
 
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hexnut said:
Yes he did. Haslam just announced today that his Browns coach who is 1 and 27 will return next year. He doesn't have a clue.
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"Brown" (and smelly) and "Haslam" just seem to fit together for some reason.
 
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It's all about the due diligence of your AD...Bud Wilkinson/assistant; Barry Switzer/assistant; Bob Stoops/assistant; Lincoln Riley/assistant.
 
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sjt18 said:
When he ended up considering coordinators appears to have been to use the cash that didn't go to the HC to hire the rest of the staff.

That may end up being a very shrewd approach.
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If so then Fulmer get it. Leaving ample room to get quality staffs is just smart. Heck, as an HC I'd like to see that because the staff's capability and performance will reflect on a HC's success across the board.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Our assistant pool money was 5 million this past year. It's some kind of strange urban legend that UT wasn't paying Jones' assistants. There will be around 3-500 thousand more available for this new staff from what I've read. Not a significant increase from 2017.
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Plus a tenth coach allowed by the NCAA in 2018...
 
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