Fulmer's Quotes

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We always complain about Fulmer under-performing with the talent he had, but we wouldn't have had the same talent had we had a different coach. Dude won a lot. A LOT! When he stopped winning, we got rid of him. End of story. He's hated more by UT fans for not winning a national title in 2001 (look at the expectations he set himself up for) than he is for having a 5-7 season. Those are irrational expectations. Football is a sport of random error. The best team doesn't always win. Going undefeated is nearly impossible. That's why only 0-2 teams go undefeated per year (even in weak football conferences like the WAC).

Honestly, Phil's been gone for 2 years. I understand why Phil won't let it go. I don't understand why we can't. I highly doubt we'll be talking this hateful about Kiffin 18 months from now. I don't think we'll waste our breath on him.
 
#402
#402
Kiffin probably won't be talking about UT 2 years from now. The best team rarely won when it was UT and Fulmer was the coach. Phil specifically said at his final press conference that he wouldn't "go down that dark road" and talk **** about UT. Guess he's full of it.
 
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kptvol said:
Kiffin probably won't be talking about UT 2 years from now. The best team rarely won when it was UT and Fulmer was the coach. Phil specifically said at his final press conference that he wouldn't "go down that dark road" and talk **** about UT. Guess he's full of it.
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as kif*** would say, "that's neat" :eek:lol:
 
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kptvol said:
Kiffin probably won't be talking about UT 2 years from now. The best team rarely won when it was UT and Fulmer was the coach. Phil specifically said at his final press conference that he wouldn't "go down that dark road" and talk **** about UT. Guess he's full of it.
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Yeah, only like 159 times. Pretty rare. Let's count how many seasons it takes us to win 159. I'm hoping only 20 (and that's with a 12-game regular season, one extra cupcake).

I don't understand what Phil said that was so controversial? What do you consider ****-talking? Dooley is in a tight spot. I'm rooting for him and hoping for 7+ wins with this squad and schedule. I'm not talking ****. I'm telling you my honest, sad but true opinion.
 
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nbakerld said:
I don't understand what Phil said that was so controversial? What do you consider ****-talking? Dooley is in a tight spot. I'm rooting for him and hoping for 7+ wins with this squad and schedule. I'm not talking ****. I'm telling you my honest, sad but true opinion.
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"They fell apart in all phases...

now they're pushing and hoping to win six to get into a bowl game...

The first game (against Tennessee-Martin), their girlfriends could have probably played and beat them."

He also had the gall to claim he'd have won 7 or 8 in 2009.

Thanks Phil. Certainly we never fell apart in all phases when you were the coach here. That 2007 loss to a terrible Bama team sure wasn't an example of that. Good thing we're pushing to win six rather than praying we don't lose 8 the way we were for most of 2008. I'd put money on our players' girlfriends taking down Wyoming.
 
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if fulmer was such a great coach as has been stated by many on this board, why has no other elite program snapped him up as their coach by now?
 
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RhodeIslandVol said:
It's a matter of preference.

Let's say pizza is my favorite food, grapes are my second favorite, and fried okra is third. This is hypothetical. Fulmer let me eat pizza once when pizza was pretty easy to get. That's all. For ten years I was forced to eat grapes with the occasional fried okra here and there. No pizza. Ever. Now, I'm forced to eat fried okra for awhile, with a good likelihood of getting pizza sometime in the near future, or at least, a better chance of getting it with Fulmer.

FSU had a good run in the 90s, but Nebraska ended up with more championships. You think Bobby Bowden would've traded 5 winning seasons for 1 more championship? I do. He always got his team wins, then choked along the way at some point.

You bring up talent, but now, with all the money in CFB, it's coaching that separates winners and losers.
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Here's where I disagree -- 1) "a good likelihood of getting pizza sometime in the near future, or at least, a better chance of getting it [than] with Fulmer." (I'm assuming you meant it that way, with "pizza" defined as the 95-01 success level); and 2) "with all the money in CFB, it's coaching that separates winners and losers."

I believe that money has had the opposite effect -- it has made unmovable resources (e.g., football brand value with local recruits) what "separates winners and losers" as opposed to coaches, because money makes it possible to get quality coaches/recruiters at all the talent-rich football brand-name programs.

Given that, I see Tennessee the way every coach with a decent resume saw it in 2009 & 2010 -- a job-killer. We have the expectations of a Florida or Alabama, but the local talent level of an Arkansas and a schedule filled with Florida and Alabama and more. Only Fulmer's unusual loyalty to UT made it possible for us to keep a recruiter and solid coach at UT; with a typical coach (especially of the kind likely to take the job, like two HCs with career losing records the last two hires), we were far more likely to get the left-over of someone else's okra than pizza.
 
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volwolf said:
if fulmer was such a great coach as has been stated by many on this board, why has no other elite program snapped him up as their coach by now?
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If ADs were so good at hiring coaches, why does Ron Zook have still a HC job at a BCS school while Mike Leach talks on TV?
 
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VegasVol said:
If ADs were so good at hiring coaches, why does Ron Zook have still a HC job at a BCS school while Mike Leach talks on TV?
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There's over 100 of them. Once Leach's heat cools off, one of them will give him a shot.
 
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VegasVol said:
Here's where I disagree -- 1) "a good likelihood of getting pizza sometime in the near future, or at least, a better chance of getting it [than] with Fulmer." (I'm assuming you meant it that way, with "pizza" defined as the 95-01 success level); and 2) "with all the money in CFB, it's coaching that separates winners and losers."

I believe that money has had the opposite effect -- it has made unmovable resources (e.g., football brand value with local recruits) what "separates winners and losers" as opposed to coaches, because money makes it possible to get quality coaches/recruiters at all the talent-rich football brand-name programs.

Given that, I see Tennessee the way every coach with a decent resume saw it in 2009 & 2010 -- a job-killer. We have the expectations of a Florida or Alabama, but the local talent level of an Arkansas and a schedule filled with Florida and Alabama and more. Only Fulmer's unusual loyalty to UT made it possible for us to keep a recruiter and solid coach at UT; with a typical coach (especially of the kind likely to take the job, like two HCs with career losing records the last two hires), we were far more likely to get the left-over of someone else's okra than pizza.
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I'm pretty sure he was equating pizzas with championships, rendering your post meaningless.

Crazy how Arkansas managed to get to the SEC Championship with Houston Nutt at the helm. Isn't that supposed to be Fulmer's great accomplishment of the past decade?

And seriously, you can't simultaneously hold the belief that Kiffin is an ass for leaving us when he did and that UT couldn't convince another coach to be even more of an ass to take on a rebuilding project is proof that UT can't get a decent coach.
 
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at least now Fulmer knows how I feel watching the last six seasons of his coaching career.
 
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sjt18 said:
You keep saying it. You keep claiming the facts back it up... and yet it still isn't true.

Fulmer lost his OC and his edge after the NC. Sanders was a horrible hire and the beginning of CPF's down fall. Fulmer liked the "mama" role. Cut played "dad".

Fulmer lacked the will to hold people accountable.

One good way to completely blow up your contention is to simply track points per season over the course of Fulmer's tenure. A blind man could see that Sanders was costing UT winnable games... but Fulmer could not. Sanders should have been gone after the loss to LSU.

Another way is to look at team discipline both on and off the field.

The two things a HC is most responsible for are team discipline (especially on the field) and hiring/holding accountable the right staff. UT's decline was primarily because Fulmer failed miserably at both except when Cut came back and their chemistry was briefly restored.
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Excellent points.....Fulmer did an awful lot for the program and that cannot be debated or underappreciated.....with that said....everyone should look back at the SEC coaches that were present during the pinnacle of his run.....other than Spurrier they weren't exactlly world beaters.....much less formidable than the coaches today.....He made his living off of the Ray Goffs and Hal Mummes
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Excellent points.....Fulmer did an awful lot for the program and that cannot be debated or underappreciated.....with that said....everyone should look back at the SEC coaches that were present during the pinnacle of his run.....other than Spurrier they weren't exactlly world beaters.....much less formidable than the coaches today.....He made his living off of the Ray Goffs and Hal Mummes
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Yep. When the sleeping giants of the SEC got elite coaches who recruited elite talent, it went to hell in a hurry for CPF. He could no longer "outtalent" the opposition like we did in the 90's.
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