Fulmer's Quotes

#276
#276
VolDad said:
Your answer would be "NO".

com·pet·i·tive Adjective /kəmˈpetətiv/

2.Having or displaying a strong desire to be more successful than others

3.As good as or better than others of a comparable nature
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This is so true it made me LOL :hi:
 
#277
#277
utvolpj said:
I would guess maybe twice?
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Three times at the end of the regular season; twice after bowls. We've generally been a team in the 10th to 15th category this past decade.

By contrast, pre-Fulmer as OC:
Majors' Top-10 Finishes: 1
Majors' Top-25 Finishes: 2
Majors' Unranked Finishes: 9

The latter is what I call national irrelevance -- where any ranking is a rarity.
 
#278
#278
utvolpj said:
why can't I use 94 when you use 98 like it's relevant now? And I noticed you skipped the scores in 07

we've been on a slide for the last few years yet you ignore it. It wasn't started by Dooley or Kiffin
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Ding Ding Ding. Absolutely correct, except we have been on a slide for "several year" and not just the last few.

So, who do that leave to blame? None other than the coach who was asleep at the switch. None other than Phil Fulmer. He is the one most responsible for destroying this proud program.
 
#279
#279
VegasVol said:
Three times at the end of the regular season; twice after bowls. We've generally been a team in the 10th to 15th category this past decade.

By contrast, pre-Fulmer as OC:
Majors' Top-10 Finishes: 1
Majors' Top-25 Finishes: 2
Majors' Unranked Finishes: 9

The latter is what I call national irrelevance -- where any ranking is a rarity.
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Why are you comparing Fulmer to another FORMER coach.
 
#281
#281
VolDad said:
Your answer would be "NO".

com·pet·i·tive Adjective /kəmˈpetətiv/

2.Having or displaying a strong desire to be more successful than others

3.As good as or better than others of a comparable nature
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So beating Florida and Georgia to the SEC title game is not "competitive" with Florida or Georgia.

Classic Fulmer hatred icon -- would rather be 6-6 than be 9-4 if didn't beat all rivals and win SEC title; would rather set recent records for lop-sided losses to teams that never had a top-10 recruiting class at home on national TV than have 9-win seasons and top-15 rankings unless they come with an SEC title attached.

That's the problem with the title-or-bust mentality -- welcome to what "bust" really looks like.
 
#282
#282
VegasVol said:
Three times at the end of the regular season; twice after bowls. We've generally been a team in the 10th to 15th category this past decade.

By contrast, pre-Fulmer as OC:
Majors' Top-10 Finishes: 1
Majors' Top-25 Finishes: 2
Majors' Unranked Finishes: 9

The latter is what I call national irrelevance -- where any ranking is a rarity.
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and the talent level at UT when they took over was the same?

You keep comparing people to Fulmer like it matters. He was leading UT into a nose-dive just to eclipse Neyland in wins. He didn't care what happened to UT football as long as he got to that number but MH stopped him. He won 1 NC, 2 SEC titles and 1/3 of his win total is against USCjr, UK and Vandy. Not a great resume for 16yrs of work
 
#284
#284
utvolpj said:
and the talent level at UT when they took over was the same?

You keep comparing people to Fulmer like it matters. He was leading UT into a nose-dive just to eclipse Neyland in wins. He didn't care what happened to UT football as long as he got to that number but MH stopped him. He won 1 NC, 2 SEC titles and 1/3 of his win total is against USCjr, UK and Vandy. Not a great resume for 16yrs of work
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I will give Fulmer credit for winning the NC in 1998. Other than that, however, his tenure could best be summarized as one of underachievement given the talent he had--otherwise known as doing less with more.
 
#285
#285
kennyb010 said:
Why are you comparing Fulmer to another FORMER coach.
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If you're going to judge Fulmer at Tennessee (the way the Fulmer haters are anxious to redefine success for Spurrier at South Carolina or Holtz at South Carolina or Pellini at Nebraska or Paterno at Penn State or Saban at Michigan State, because they have to change their standards to show the absurdity of what those standards would mean as applied to those coaches at those locals), then looking at his predecessor is one reasoned measurement. Was Fulmer over-performing or under-performing given where he was coaching (at UT) and who his competition was (the expanded SEC)? By Majors' standards, he far excelled, even if you only examine his supposedly "disappointing" six years.

Secondly, if you're going to fire Fulmer, the question is whether you can do better, can do worse, and what the probabilities are in between. Tennessee history, and comparable program history this decade, all show you are far more likely to do a lot worse than to do better.
 
#286
#286
EZE said:
I will give Fulmer credit for winning the NC in 1998. Other than that, however, his tenure could best be summarized as one of underachievement given the talent he had--otherwise known as doing less with more.
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Do you prefer to do less with less?
 
#287
#287
VegasVol said:
So beating Florida and Georgia to the SEC title game is not "competitive" with Florida or Georgia.

Classic Fulmer hatred icon -- would rather be 6-6 than be 9-4 if didn't beat all rivals and win SEC title; would rather set recent records for lop-sided losses to teams that never had a top-10 recruiting class at home on national TV than have 9-win seasons and top-15 rankings unless they come with an SEC title attached.

That's the problem with the title-or-bust mentality -- welcome to what "bust" really looks like.
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The only meaningful time he beat Florida was in '98. Sure he beat Ron Zook LOLZ. When I was at the Florida game in Neyland in '08 I had Florida fans come to me after the game and say "it's ok we had the Zook years"
 
#288
#288
VegasVol said:
If you're going to judge Fulmer at Tennessee (the way the Fulmer haters are anxious to redefine success for Spurrier at South Carolina or Holtz at South Carolina or Pellini at Nebraska or Paterno at Penn State or Saban at Michigan State, because they have to change their standards to show the absurdity of what those standards would mean as applied to those coaches at those locals), then looking at his predecessor is one reasoned measurement. Was Fulmer over-performing or under-performing given where he was coaching (at UT) and who his competition was (the expanded SEC)? By Majors' standards, he far excelled, even if you only examine his supposedly "disappointing" six years.

Secondly, if you're going to fire Fulmer, the question is whether you can do better, can do worse, and what the probabilities are in between. Tennessee history, and comparable program history this decade, all show you are far more likely to do a lot worse than to do better.
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awesome. He is an absolute rock star compared to guys like Fred Pancoast and Woody Widenhoffer too. Why leave them out? Don't just go through the ridiculous contortions of pretending that expectations relative to historical performance are otherworldly, then stop at comparing the fired guy to only his predecessor, who handed him the keys to the kingdom (of course that was after the lobbying to stab him in the back).
 
#289
#289
kennyb010 said:
It's darkest before dawn. Saban came in and lost to lafeyette and now look at the midget go.
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Saban didn't do that at Michigan State. He was at Alabama, where the in-state talent and nearby talent gives him a major competitive edge.

Folks want to talk about what AD's have or have not done; let's talk about what coaches have or have not done. Coaches who turned us down: Whittingham; Calhoun; Kelly; Muschamp; Cutcliffe; Gruden; Davis; Smith; and those are just the ones named in various published reports. What do those coaches realize about UT's football prospects that fans refuse to recognize?
 
#290
#290
VegasVol said:
If you're going to judge Fulmer at Tennessee (the way the Fulmer haters are anxious to redefine success for Spurrier at South Carolina or Holtz at South Carolina or Pellini at Nebraska or Paterno at Penn State or Saban at Michigan State, because they have to change their standards to show the absurdity of what those standards would mean as applied to those coaches at those locals), then looking at his predecessor is one reasoned measurement. Was Fulmer over-performing or under-performing given where he was coaching (at UT) and who his competition was (the expanded SEC)? By Majors' standards, he far excelled, even if you only examine his supposedly "disappointing" six years.

Secondly, if you're going to fire Fulmer, the question is whether you can do better, can do worse, and what the probabilities are in between. Tennessee history, and comparable program history this decade, all show you are far more likely to do a lot worse than to do better.
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Comparable to our program's history this decade? What history? We have Fulmer (an embarrassment this decade) ,and 2 1 year coaches left to make something of Fulmers left for dead team.
 
#292
#292
BigPapaVol said:
awesome. He is an absolute rock star compared to guys like Fred Pancoast and Woody Widenhoffer too. Why leave them out? Don't just go through the ridiculous contortions of pretending that expectations relative to historical performance are otherworldly, then stop at comparing the fired guy to only his predecessor, who handed him the keys to the kingdom (of course that was after the lobbying to stab him in the back).
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Your Majors' history is completely false; Johnny only stabbed himself in the back on his way to get a whiskey bottle.

So, if Fulmer was so bad, then how soon will we get back to the SEC title game and win it? Shouldn't it be within 5 years, right? Because only Fulmer was "holding us back" from such easy success, right?
 
#293
#293
kennyb010 said:
Comparable to our program's history this decade? What history? We have Fulmer (an embarrassment this decade) ,and 2 1 year coaches left to make something of Fulmers left for dead team.
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See Notre Dame & Nebraska this decade. Any fan who can define Fulmer as an "embarrassment this decade" when this decade gave us top-5 seasons, top-10 seasons, top-15 seasons, three SEC East wins, and signature victories over Florida at Florida, Miami at Miami, Georgia at Georgia, LSU at LSU, Michigan and Texas A & M in bowl games, and 9+ wins as the median win record is in for a long, long shock with UT football the next decade+.
 
#294
#294
VegasVol said:
Your Majors' history is completely false; Johnny only stabbed himself in the back on his way to get a whiskey bottle.

So, if Fulmer was so bad, then how soon will we get back to the SEC title game and win it? Shouldn't it be within 5 years, right? Because only Fulmer was "holding us back" from such easy success, right?
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I expect us to be competitive with the best of the SEC within 3 years. If not, we'll move on, just as we did when Fulmer went from bumbling but overcoming it every once in a 5 years with some talent or blind luck to outright getting embarrassed and having no prayer of playing with the best in our conference.

Kiffin set us back, no doubt. Why wouldn't we give Dooley some time, now that we've hired him.
 
#295
#295
BigPapaVol said:
uh, because it's irrelevant and only part of the story, but it sure makes him sound good.
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You have got to be kidding me. This just earned you lifetime GoF-emeritus status as the single most ridiculous thing ever posted on this board.

It's irrelevant to compare UT coaches against former UT coaches?

I would LOVE to see the Saban experiment here, don't get me wrong. But there is no guarantee he would exceed Fulmer's record in the 2000s.
 
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#297
#297
VegasVol said:
See Notre Dame & Nebraska this decade. Any fan who can define Fulmer as an "embarrassment this decade" when this decade gave us top-5 seasons, top-10 seasons, top-15 seasons, three SEC East wins, and signature victories over Florida at Florida, Miami at Miami, Georgia at Georgia, LSU at LSU, Michigan and Texas A & M in bowl games, and 9+ wins as the median win record is in for a long, long shock with UT football the next decade+.
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we've averaged less than 9 wins this decade ,but interesting go on.
 
#298
#298
BigPapaVol said:
I expect us to be competitive with the best of the SEC within 3 years.
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Delicious. Absolutely delicious. That is not what you have said at all.

Now we only have to "be competitive." I thought it was "win the SEC, baby!"

Well, seems like we were on bad play away from beating the National Champion in 2007.

Oh, and we were East Champions every three years. Furthermore, I'll just compare UT coaches again - Fulmer won the SEC in 2001 in Johnny money.

As I've said - YOU are required to do better, but I'll shake your hand and admit defeat if you can just get back to Fulmer level.
 
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#299
#299
utgibbs said:
You have got to be kidding me. This just earned you lifetime GoF-emeritus status as the single most ridiculous thing ever posted on this board?

It's irrelevant to compare UT coaches against former UT coaches?

I would LOVE to see the Saban experiment here, don't get me wrong. But there is no guarantee he would exceed Fulmer's record in the 2000s.
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In terms of whether he warranted firing and whether he presided over a dastardly downfall? Don't be ridiculous. Comparing him to Majors, who was also fired for cause, is no different than comparing him to any other guy that lost enough to get fired. Yes, it's absolutely irrelevant to whether he was ever again going to be competitive in the SEC.

See, had we looked at worthless stats like that in the decision process, we'd still have him. We didn't so we don't. Maybe I'm not the only guy who finds meaningless stuff meaningless.
 
#300
#300
utgibbs said:
Delicious. Absolutely delicious. That is not what you have said at all.

Now we only have to "be competitive." I thought it was "win the SEC, baby!"

Well, seems like we were on bad play away from beating the National Champion in 2007.

Oh, and we were East Champions every three years.

As I've said - YOU are required to do better, but I'll shake your hand and admit defeat if you can just get back to Fulmer level.
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no it isn't. It has always been be competitive with the best and don't underperform. We haven't been close to competitive with the best in our conference and we have underperformed for a decade. We got some breaks in 98 and cashed in. Prior to that, we won, but never played to our talent level. People gloss that over, but David Palmer happened.
 
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