Fulmer's Quotes

#327
#327
The team would be stronger, deeper, and more competitive today with CPF still in charge.

2008 would have been a bowl season with invaluable practice and continuity to Crompton. 2009 should have made obvious to everyone Crompton needed continuity / time, and with it, we wouldn't have suffered another embarassing loss to UCLA last year.

We would be better, deeper, stronger right now with Phil in charge. Please explain how it was worth it? Frankly, we are quite a spell from the SECCG, much less another championship.
 
#328
#328
fullmer didn't win enough---very simple. At UT, wining 7-8 games is not enough for the money paid to coaches. Win big--or hit the road.
 
#329
#329
utgibbs said:
Boyd is definitely SEC calibre though. I'm not getting into who-signed-who semantics when we are on the third coach in three years. I mean, I could play the Cam Newton card at this point.....
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Clearly. I mean, so far he's 5/13 against North Texas and Presbyterian third teamers.

Is the Cam Newton some idiotic idea that he'd have signed with Fulmer over Gus Malzahn or Dan Mullen?
 
#330
#330
utgibbs said:
The team would be stronger, deeper, and more competitive today with CPF still in charge.

Not based on his last few classes.

2008 would have been a bowl season with invaluable practice and continuity to Crompton. 2009 should have made obvious to everyone Crompton needed continuity / time, and with it, we wouldn't have suffered another embarassing loss to UCLA last year.

Why not? UCLA was far more talented in 2010 and we were quite a bit less talented. UCLA rolls us with Phil in charge.

We would be better, deeper, stronger right now with Phil in charge. Please explain how it was worth it? Frankly, we are quite a spell from the SECCG, much less another championship.
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We traded a coach that couldn't beat Urban or Nick for one that might. If he can't, we're no farther away. If he can't, at least he won't be retained for a decade past his prime because some geniuses are impressed what he did over 10 years ago with an NFL roster and because he's a "UT guy".
 
#331
#331
utgibbs said:
The team would be stronger, deeper, and more competitive today with CPF still in charge.

2008 would have been a bowl season with invaluable practice and continuity to Crompton. 2009 should have made obvious to everyone Crompton needed continuity / time, and with it, we wouldn't have suffered another embarassing loss to UCLA last year.

We would be better, deeper, stronger right now with Phil in charge. Please explain how it was worth it? Frankly, we are quite a spell from the SECCG, much less another championship.
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You remind me of a line from the movie Little Big Man when Jack Crab was working for Mr. Meriweather, the snake oil salesman. They were caught with less than desirable ingredients in their "elixir" by the towns people that had been getting sick from taking their medicine. When they were through tar and feathering the both of them Mr. Meriweather was talking about how all is not lost when Jack told him "you don't know when you're licked". His response was "I ain't licked Jack, just tarred and feathered, that's all"..
 
#332
#332
VegasVol said:
Folks want to talk about what AD's have or have not done; let's talk about what coaches have or have not done. Coaches who turned us down: Whittingham; Calhoun; Kelly; Muschamp; Cutcliffe; Gruden; Davis; Smith; and those are just the ones named in various published reports. What do those coaches realize about UT's football prospects that fans refuse to recognize?
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Clearly Cutcliffe thought he could do better at Duke than at UT. That must be it.
 
#333
#333
VegasVol said:
So now we get to compete for "worst team of the SEC" trophy instead. Congratulations!
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Too bad we weren't eligible for the "worst team of the WAC" trophy a couple of years ago. Fulmer would have some more hardware.
 
#334
#334
kptvol said:
We had a roster with Arian Foster, Montario Hardesty, Jon Crompton, Jacques McClendon, Josh McNeil, Luke Stocker, Lucas Taylor, Ramon Foster, Chris Scott, Dan Williams, Chris Walker, Robert Ayers, Eric Berry, Dennis Rogan, and Britton Colquitt and a loss to Wyoming.
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Hey he was WORKIN like HECK!

The Whole TIME!
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#335
#335
utgibbs said:
The team would be stronger, deeper, and more competitive today with CPF still in charge.

2008 would have been a bowl season with invaluable practice and continuity to Crompton. 2009 should have made obvious to everyone Crompton needed continuity / time, and with it, we wouldn't have suffered another embarassing loss to UCLA last year.

We would be better, deeper, stronger right now with Phil in charge. Please explain how it was worth it? Frankly, we are quite a spell from the SECCG, much less another championship.
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Hypothetical gibberish is useless. Guys fired for cause don't get to recruit and field teams.
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#336
#336
utgibbs said:
The team would be stronger, deeper, and more competitive today with CPF still in charge.
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Sorry but that is pure delusion. He was not recruiting well. He was not coaching well. He didn't hold his staff or players accountable.

CPF's good years were all with Cut around. Without him, CPF floundered.

The pattern of his last 4 years was likely to continue indefinitely based on every shred of evidence.

2008 would have been a bowl season with invaluable practice and continuity to Crompton. 2009 should have made obvious to everyone Crompton needed continuity / time, and with it, we wouldn't have suffered another embarassing loss to UCLA last year.
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In 2008 Fulmer got absolutely smoked by the elite of the SEC... the gap wasn't getting closer and was not going to get closer.

We would be better, deeper, stronger right now with Phil in charge. Please explain how it was worth it? Frankly, we are quite a spell from the SECCG, much less another championship.
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MH made a mistake in who he hired to take over. The team would be "deeper" because the malcontents that have dropped over the past couple of years would still be around with CPF's lax approach to discipline... But that would not make UT better or stronger.

Face it. The game passed the guy by. He had his time but was not wise enough to either change with the game or get out while he was on top.
 
#337
#337
In 2008 Fulmer got absolutely smoked by the elite of the SEC... the gap wasn't getting closer and was not going to get closer.
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when the florida players are drinking water and yucking it up on the sidelines for the entire second half, you're not really competing in the east ..........
 
#339
#339
VolsRule said:
fullmer didn't win enough---very simple. At UT, wining 7-8 games is not enough for the money paid to coaches. Win big--or hit the road.
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According to the experts on here, winning 9-10 games isn't enough. Then get used to lots and lots of coaches hitting the road for a long, long time at UT.
 
#341
#341
VegasVol said:
Three times at the end of the regular season; twice after bowls. We've generally been a team in the 10th to 15th category this past decade.

By contrast, pre-Fulmer as OC:
Majors' Top-10 Finishes: 1
Majors' Top-25 Finishes: 2
Majors' Unranked Finishes: 9

The latter is what I call national irrelevance -- where any ranking is a rarity.
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Here's what I call irrelevance.

vs Spurrier 5-9 (.357)
vs Miles 1-2 (.333)
vs Richt 3-5 (.375)
vs Meyer 0-4 (.000)
vs Saban 1-5 (.167)
vs Tubberville 3-4 (.429)
13-29 vs upper tier SEC coaches (.310)

8-6 Bowl record (.571)
3-4 Bowl record since 2000 (.429)
1-2 BCS bowls (.333)

32-39 vs top 25 (.451)
13-27 vs top 25 since 2000 (.325)

12-27 vs top 10 (.308)
5-17 vs top 10 since 2000 (.227)

FTR, the record vs ranked opponents is vs teams ranked in the final AP poll, which is the true measure.
 
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#342
#342

VegasVol said:
See Notre Dame & Nebraska this decade. Any fan who can define Fulmer as an "embarrassment this decade" when this decade gave us top-5 seasons, top-10 seasons, top-15 seasons, three SEC East wins, and signature victories over Florida at Florida, Miami at Miami, Georgia at Georgia, LSU at LSU, Michigan and Texas A & M in bowl games, and 9+ wins as the median win record is in for a long, long shock with UT football the next decade+.
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Nebraska and ND both replaced mediocre coaches, and they are both well on their way back to being revelant.
 
#343
#343
VegasVol said:
According to the experts on here, winning 9-10 games isn't enough.
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Going over a decade without an SEC championship isn't enough.

The thing you fulmerites seem to forget is that when Spurrier left in 01, Fulmer was in a position to take his place as the top dog in the SEC. Instead he allowed LSU, Georgia, Auburn, and Alabama to pass us, and UF to stay ahead of us.
 
#344
#344
VegasVol said:
Nope; better than average.
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Yet you said median. Not sure when that became the yardstick with which to measure coaches. You should have went with mode, that would have bumped the number up ten. But, if we use the mean (commonly known as average), Fulmer was at 8.44 wins per year in his last decade. Which was basically guaranteeing a loss from UF, Bama, then take your pick for the other two. Just make sure one is a far inferior opponent, making for an embarrassing loss.
 
#345
#345
BigPapaVol said:
Hypothetical gibberish is useless. Guys fired for cause don't get to recruit and field teams.
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It's theory supported by data, actually.

And it's VN wisdom as well given we voted 90% / 10% that we were farther behind since the Hambone Experiment.

GSM.
 
#346
#346
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Going over a decade without an SEC championship isn't enough.

The thing you fulmerites seem to forget is that when Spurrier left in 01, Fulmer was in a position to take his place as the top dog in the SEC. Instead he allowed LSU, Georgia, Auburn, and Alabama to pass us, and UF to stay ahead of us.
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EXACTLY!

In 2001, we were LOADED and SOS was gone. LSU and Alabama weren't anywhere close to what they are today. Neither was UGA. It was our best opportunity to take over the SEC and we just **** the bed.

Now, 9 years later, here we are hoping for a .500 season and a bowl game. Sobering isn't it?
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#347
#347
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Here's what I call irrelevance.

vs Spurrier 5-9 (.357)
vs Miles 1-2 (.333)
vs Richt 3-5 (.375)
vs Meyer 0-4 (.000)
vs Saban 1-5 (.167)
vs Tubberville 3-4 (.429)
13-29 vs upper tier SEC coaches (.310)

8-6 Bowl record (.571)
3-4 Bowl record since 2000 (.429)
1-2 BCS bowls (.333)

32-39 vs top 25 (.451)
13-27 vs top 25 since 2000 (.325)

12-27 vs top 10 (.308)
5-17 vs top 10 since 2000 (.227)

FTR, the record vs ranked opponents is vs teams ranked in the final AP poll, which is the true measure.
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So you'd prefer to be unranked completely, every year. Kudos! What wonderful "relevance."
 
#348
#348
eazyTD said:
EXACTLY!

In 2001, we were LOADED and SOS was gone. LSU and Alabama weren't anywhere close to what they are today. Neither was UGA. It was our best opportunity to take over the SEC and we just **** the bed.

Now, 9 years later, here we are hoping for a .500 season and a bowl game. Sobering isn't it?
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Badly wrong on LSU; they were already loaded by 2001. Wrong on Georgia; Donnan had recruited very well there and Richt with his then defensive coordinators in perfect position to climb up fast. Auburn was the natural profiteer from Bama's decline more than us.

But of course the problem is the whole title-or-bust mentality that will have us sub-South Carolina football very fast.
 
#349
#349
VegasVol said:
But of course the problem is the whole title-or-bust mentality that will have us sub-South Carolina football very fast.
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Next time we get to the SECCG, we will be ecstatic to be playing in Atlanta; next time, I guarantee the outcome won't matter, and it will be "relevant" again.

Next time..... I hope we aren't in for a USC type wait.
 
#350
#350
VegasVol said:
Badly wrong on LSU; they were already loaded by 2001. Wrong on Georgia; Donnan had recruited very well there and Richt with his then defensive coordinators in perfect position to climb up fast. Auburn was the natural profiteer from Bama's decline more than us.

But of course the problem is the whole title-or-bust mentality that will have us sub-South Carolina football very fast.
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Wrong.
LSU was far from loaded. Yes,they were improving but they were nowhere near where they are today. I think 01 was only Saban's 2nd season so he hadn't had time to stock the roster.
UGA wasn't close either.

Our talent was MILES above Georgia and LSU that season.
Auburn,you are correct on, but I didn't mention them and we didn't play them again until 2003 so that's a moot point.

Wasn't Alabama on probation at this time also?

Considering our talent and the state of the SEC at that time, we rightfully should have had a title or bust mentality.
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