Fulmer's Quotes

#51
#51
Well I think Coach Majors had enough class to refrain from criticizing the program after his ouster. And he was actually able to land another coaching job right after he left UT.
 
#52
#52
aredfox28 said:
Not me!! Cause I know he ran our program into the ground!!!!
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He single handedly did so? If that is the case then he has to get all the credit for the good he accomplished.

Phil gets way too much hate.
 
#53
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vols-1 said:
Did you see Oregon's 2006 recruiting class? They had one four-star signed-and that was a two year transfer. Most of Oregon's star talent was signed in the last two years like TN.
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Star talent and senior leadership are NOT the same thing.
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#54
#54
Henry Knox said:
I would hope to lend some objectivity to the debate with my reply to the thread, but I'm not sure if it's possible with the hardened positions many of us have taken.

I would have liked to have kept Fulmer for the following reasons: He played for UT, was an Assistant for UT, was Johnny Major's best recruiter, had been promoted from OL to Offensive Coordinator and Assistant Head Coach, was named interim HC, took over the program and won a National Championship. He's a Tennessee guy who exceeded anyone's expectations. His program's eventual decline never reached the depths that it is at now. Anyone who thinks Phillip would have gutted the program of players and tradition and National Stature as is playing out before us is exaggerating his failure as a coach.

I would have liked to have had Lane Kiffin and his coaching staff around longer than a year to see what he could have done. He would have struggled this year for sure, but if he didn't land most of his players in jail or the University on probation, I believe he would have been very successful at UT. However, I would not have wanted to see LK succeed in "his way" over the Tennessee way in the end, and I'm glad he's gone. I would have taken some mediocre years with Johnny or Phil before trashing Tennessee's traditions.

None of us could have expected the adversity that Derek Dooley is now facing. Of all the coaching options availableto Mike Hamilton; Fulmer, Kiffin, Muschamp, Cutcliffe, etc., I truly believe Dooley is the best guy for the job right now. I think he has all the right answers for what Tennessee needs. Granted, there was a good arguement for change before firing PF.....but if anyone thought that firing Fulmer was going to land Tennessee this far out of contention.....NOBODY would have asked for the change.

Ironically, Tennessee may have landed the right person for the job. If DD leaves for greener pastures within the next 2 years, then I think we all will admit the terrible mistake. If however he turns the program around and stays long enough to compare himself to Fulmer and Neyland, or Dickey and Majors, then the change might have been worth it.

Blaming Fulmer for everything that happened after his termination is foolish.
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#55
Anyone starting to regret Fulmer being fired, remember this. 10 years with no SEC championship. Two 5-7 seasons his last 4 years. That my friends is not acceptable. Glad you are gone Phil! I will never regret it. It should have happened a few years before it did.
 
#56
#56
GahLee said:
I seen nothing wrong with the article. One day, 5-10 years from now, people will look back at Fulmer's era and appreciate it.
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A couple of years ago I would of agreed with you. But this man simply does not get it. He is living in his own little delusional world. He honestly does not see what he did to the program the last five years he was here. The best thing he could do for his legacy is STFU and go count his money. Everytime he comments in public he will lose some of his following. I want to respect what he did but he just cant let it go. He thought he was untouchable and he got fired. He is bitter and will never get over it just like Majors.
 
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#57
Your foolish to think he isn't to blame!!! Kiffin had one recruiting class, they are all sophmores the rest are fulmers!! So tell me again why we lack depth? And talent? Gotta hear the excuse you make for fulmer now!
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DuckRiverVol said:
A couple of years ago I would of agreed with you. But this man simply does not get it. He is living in his own little delusional world. He honestly does not see what he did to the program the last five years he was here. The best thing he could do for his legacy is STFU and go count his money. Everytime he comments in public he will lose some of his following. I want to respect what he did but he just cant let it go. He thought he was untouchable and he got fired. He is bitter and will never get over it just like Majors.
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+1. The fact he says he hates to see the once proud Vols struggling tells you he doesn't get it. How in the world can he not think going 5-7 in two seasons out of four not struggling? You are right, the guy is living in his own delusional world.
 
#59
#59
aredfox28 said:
Your foolish to think he isn't to blame!!! Kiffin had one recruiting class, they are all sophmores the rest are fulmers!! So tell me again why we lack depth? And talent? Gotta hear the excuse you make for fulmer now!
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The remaining ones are, and I think the bulk of them will be good players. But how many are left?

Fulmer was actually putting together a pretty good class when he was fired. I'm not going to try to compare what he was doing to what Kiffin wound up doing, but it was going to be highly rated.
 
#60
#60
I normally don't get involved in the Fulmer threads. I respect what he did, and I realize where he ended up leaving us. I don't understand why everyone is so divided. At one point he was an excellent coach and recruiter. Obviously, somewhere along the way he lost the hunger (hehe). He then got scared for his job and worked hard but the attrition had begun. He took us to the promise land then back into the desert. He is partially responsible for where we are due to lack of talent and partially responsible for where we will go again due to tradition he helped build. It is what it is. I don't get the either or. I do understand people mad that he still can't see what he was, but come on. Self evaluation is the hardest thing.
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GahLee said:
He single handedly did so? If that is the case then he has to get all the credit for the good he accomplished.

Phil gets way too much hate.
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Ummm , yeah he recruited the crap we had at qb! He hired clawson! He stuck his nose in the offensive playcalling.. He didn't coach up the talent that he did recruit! I give much of the offensive success to cutcliff, we sure went down hill after he left, and when he came back we were better, only to see him leave for duke, and everything goto crap again.
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#63
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BigOrangePassion1 said:
and then he should say " and here is an example of how dumb they are. They get a new coach that had every bit the resume of the last loserwho they loved" " in his second game he battles arguably the best team in america to a standstill for 2 and a half quarters with the supposed terrible talent i left behind" then two terrible momentum killing plays come along that would bury any football team that had absolutely nothing to do with the coaching" " and they blame the head football coach for that"
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Those of us who see the situation for what it is place the blame where it belongs, at the feet of Fulmer.
 
#64
#64
aredfox28 said:
Your foolish to think he isn't to blame!!! Kiffin had one recruiting class, they are all sophmores the rest are fulmers!! So tell me again why we lack depth? And talent? Gotta hear the excuse you make for fulmer now!
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First off, calm down...the inordinate use of exclamation points is disturbing.

I said entirely ( single handedly, to be specific ). Cause that is how you make it seem, just trying to dig a little deeper than the " It's all Phil's fault we suck " theory.

Lack of depth issues come from attrition, a lot of guys left when Phil left and more left when Kiffin left.

I'm not saying that Phil was doing a great job his last 5 years, don't misconstrue my stance on the matter.

But looking at the overall picture ( which is only fair ), he has a legacy here at UT and it shouldn't be the nonsensical hate that he receives.

My two cents, can't wait to hear your response.
 
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vols-1 said:
Did you see Oregon's 2006 recruiting class? They had one four-star signed-and that was a two year transfer. Most of Oregon's star talent was signed in the last two years like TN.
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That stellar 2007 recruiting class should be our senior leadership. Where are those guys now?
 
#66
#66
AlaskaVol said:
Well all you Fulmer haters got us here. I know you will never take blame for your hate that cost us our reputation as a football school, but you are to blame. Not Phil, not kiffen, not Hamilton, not Dooley, Just you haters with no appreciation for what we had. Stupid bunch of hating jerks.
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I'll never get over that tackle I missed in the SEC title game we backed into when Mauck was running wild.... And that Wyoming loss, I got nothing, everything snowballed.... :cray:
 
#68
#68
aredfox28 said:
Ummm , yeah he recruited the crap we had at qb! He hired clawson! He stuck his nose in the offensive playcalling.. He didn't coach up the talent that he did recruit! I give much of the offensive success to cutcliff, we sure went down hill after he left, and when he came back we were better, only to see him leave for duke, and everything goto crap again.
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Anything good Fulmer accomplished, Cutcliff was a part of.
 
#69
#69
hmanvolfan said:
I'll never get over that tackle I missed in the SEC title game we backed into when Mauck was running wild.... And that Wyoming loss, I got nothing, everything snowballed.... :cray:
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hman, we just lost focus ... it happens to everybody ..
 
#73
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GahLee said:
Takes an entire staff nobody can deny how good Cut was with his play-calling and his ability to mold a QB.

But let's not give the man all the credit.
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Exactly. Garner deserves some too.
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#74
#74
aredfox28 said:
Your foolish to think he isn't to blame!!! Kiffin had one recruiting class, they are all sophmores the rest are fulmers!! So tell me again why we lack depth? And talent? Gotta hear the excuse you make for fulmer now!
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My last accounting of player attrition has 17 of Fulmer's players missing JUST BECAUSE of the Kiffin hire. That's the single biggest reason for lack of depth. Now coach Fulmer also counts the recruits that were never signed when Kiffin took over and the players that left after Dooley was hired. That brings the total to 33 players. It's not hard to see that firing Fulmer resulted in an emptying of talent and depth that cannot be easily replaced in 1 recruiting class of Fulmer's, Kiffin's, or Dooley's. Without the firing of Fulmer, there would have been more players on the roster.

I'm very accepting of the fact that change was prudent, but the result of the change is NOT Fulmer's fault.
 
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