Fulmer Is Definitely Gone!

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Post count is irrelevant. There are plenty of posters on this site that constantly have ignorant replies to every thread and have thousands of posts. I don't trust them more than I trust my dog.
 
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gcb/hoosiervol said:
...with every loss and mounting frustration we end up taking pot shots at each other. Having been a fan since age 6...over 50 years, one thing that has been huge in my feelings about Tennessee football is the Volunteer spirit...we are all in this together, tough times come and go but a true VOL always rises back up, we stick together and support our players as well as each other.

Since becoming a serious fan, late 1960's I have seen 3 coaches come and go, some things I liked about all 3 and then there were aspects of all I was not crazy about. But I always support Tennessee regardless of who is prowling the sidelines. It is the tradition and spirit of Tennessee football that has remained constant, although in the past three years I sense this spirit starting to unravel...amongst many of us.

End of sermon, I am awaiting the resulting criticism.

GO VOLS beat scaro, I 'll be wearing my hat and decked out in ORANGE.
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Are you my Brother?
 
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volsgrad89 said:
A have a friend in the media. Fulmer will definitely be gone after the season. It probably won't be announce until after the Vandy game.

All of you who think a bowl, seven wins, or a highly ranked recruiting class will save Fulmer are wrong. He has more than worn out his welcome. He slid in the back door to get the job in the first place!
Fulmer is Toast! :yahoo:
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I don't doubt that you have a friend in the media who made the comment that Fulmer would be gone at season's end. That would be ridiculous to lie about. What I doubt is your friend's knowledge on the subject. Being in the media does not necessarily equal being in the the know and I doubt that the AD is being loose-lipped with the media about this. I'd say if anything, your friend's comment is "what slid out the back door." In other words it's BS.
 
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I heard from an anonymous source that Fulmer is fat and incompetent. I don't believe a word of it though.
 
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Wow, I didn't realize that incompetent coaches posted a 75% winning record, multiple SECCs and a NC! What exactly is your definition of a "competent" coach? We may be unhappy with him lately but let's at least be fair to the guy and his legacy. Most schools revere coaches that win them a NC despite what happens when their program takes a downturn as every program does. Fulmer deserves that respect as well.
 
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From an inside source, I have heard that another embarrassing loss and he won't make it through the season period! This information comes from someone close to the family and AD who has spoken with each on many occasions.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
Wow, I didn't realize that incompetent coaches posted a 75% winning record, multiple SECCs and a NC! What exactly is your definition of a "competent" coach?
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well hell, let's hire Gen. Neyland again. He used to be competent as well. Nobody cares that he might struggle on the sidelines today. That's irrelevant. He was competent at one time and could be again.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
well hell, let's hire Gen. Neyland again. He used to be competent as well. Nobody cares that he might struggle on the sidelines today. That's irrelevant. He was competent at one time and could be again.
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Amen brother...I don't understand some of the Fulmerons rationalizations at all.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
Wow, I didn't realize that incompetent coaches posted a 75% winning record, multiple SECCs and a NC! What exactly is your definition of a "competent" coach? We may be unhappy with him lately but let's at least be fair to the guy and his legacy. Most schools revere coaches that win them a NC despite what happens when their program takes a downturn as every program does. Fulmer deserves that respect as well.
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And how much of that 75% has come since the NC? How many SEC Championships since then? How aobut our record against the big boys of the SEC since the NC?

Michigan dumped Carr, Miami dumped Coker 5 years after he won an NC, 4 years after getting BACK to the NC game, and 3 years after getting to a BCS bowl.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Finally, an impeccable source. An anonymous person on an message board has a friend in the media. Thankfully, we can all move on with our lives now.

Thanks to you and your 19 posts, Volsgrad89, our long VolNation nightmare is over.
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I wonder why these threads never become fact??:lolabove:
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, Miami and Michigan are both prepared to name urinals in the media bathroom after Larry Coker and Lloyd Carr.
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I said most. And Lloyd Carr was very well-liked at Michigan until the yearly losses to Tressel starting piling up. Larry Coker's NC was an end to Miami's era of dominance and ushered in their current mediocrity. It's no surprise that Coker was not beloved as even the most ignorant fan of the U could see that he was bad for their program. Plus those were not Coker's recruits.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
well hell, let's hire Gen. Neyland again. He used to be competent as well. Nobody cares that he might struggle on the sidelines today. That's irrelevant. He was competent at one time and could be again.
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Are you implying that if the General was alive that you wouldn't want him on the sidelines? The game changes but the fundamentals don't. I'm confident that Neyland would hire coordinators who are knowledgeable about todays game while he instilled what it means to be a Vol in them. There certainly wouldn't be as many off-field problems.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
Are you implying that if the General was alive that you wouldn't want him on the sidelines? The game changes but the fundamentals don't. I'm confident that Neyland would hire coordinators who are knowledgeable about todays game while he instilled what it means to be a Vol in them. There certainly wouldn't be as many off-field problems.
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Not at all. I'm saying hire him now, regardless of current evidence that says he has passed away since his best seasons. I'm thinking he can still get back some of the old magic.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
I said most. And Lloyd Carr was very well-liked at Michigan until the yearly losses to Tressel starting piling up. Larry Coker's NC was an end to Miami's era of dominance and ushered in their current mediocrity. It's no surprise that Coker was not beloved as even the most ignorant fan of the U could see that he was bad for their program. Plus those were not Coker's recruits.
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And our yearly losses to our rivals aren't piling up?
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
And how much of that 75% has come since the NC? How many SEC Championships since then? How aobut our record against the big boys of the SEC since the NC?

Michigan dumped Carr, Miami dumped Coker 5 years after he won an NC, 4 years after getting BACK to the NC game, and 3 years after getting to a BCS bowl.
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Excuse me for letting the facts get in the way of your hatred for Fulmer. It is true that we have not been very good against our rivals in recent years. It's also true that our overall success has decreased compared to where it was in the 90's. However, it's not like we have been completely terrible. We have been to the SECC three times. While we haven't won, making it there in the toughest division in the NCAA is nothing to scoff at. In 2001, we were one game away from a NC game and still finished well. Last years season was not that bad when you look at all of the injuries and youth that we had. The definition of incompetent is not being competent. Fulmer's problem is that he has only been competent recently and that isn't good enough in todays SEC.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Not at all. I'm saying hire him now, regardless of current evidence that says he has passed away since his best seasons. I'm thinking he can still get back some of the old magic.
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Your analogy is ridiculous. Coaches in Fulmer's situation have gone on to turn things around and have moderate success. We don't want moderate success and that's why Fulmer needs to move on soon. My only issue is with calling him incompetent. Sure brings in some good recruits for being a complete hack.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
Your analogy is ridiculous. Coaches in Fulmer's situation have gone on to turn things around and have moderate success. We don't want moderate success and that's why Fulmer needs to move on soon. My only issue is with calling him incompetent. Sure brings in some good recruits for being a complete hack.
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How is my analogy ridiculous. You're supporting Fulmer for things that happened 10 years ago or longer and ignoring the most recent 10 years, which any reasonable analysis would weight the heaviest in making a judgment.

Turnaround stories after 10 years of muddling through are exceptionally rare, but are statistically speaking, likely to happen on a very limited basis for a season or two at a time. Sustained greatness just doesn't come back.
 
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9296potsguy said:
And our yearly losses to our rivals aren't piling up?
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Yes they are. Carr and Fulmer's situations are very similar. Not disputing that. Disputing the comment about Fulmer being incompetent. I don't feel that an "incompetent" coach would ever have achieved the level that Fulmer did.
 
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