FSU Freshman QB Deandre Johnson Indefinitely Suspended

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bamawriter said:
She did not punch him in the face. She hit him in the shoulder with a blow that could generously be called "glancing".
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So she initiated the attack? Glancing blow or otherwise, she did initiate it, correct?

I mean really, first off, lets not pretend this is June Cleaver sipping tea. This was a college bar. She probably was hammered and you probably had a good amount of typical pushing and shoving that typical goes on in these bars. June Cleaver's first reaction is to bald up a fist and get into a verbal with someone, then she throws what you call a "glancing" punch. He then retaliates.

And to be even more honest, he was probably fighting within his weight class, anyways. She looked to be about 200 of the hoof.
 
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bamawriter said:
This girl didn't punch anyone in the face.
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I only watched the video once, it had looked to me that she landed a punch to the face. If I was mistaken to where her act of assault landed, then I apologize.....doesnt change my opinion that she initiated the physical part of the altercation.......but that didnt make it right to punch her either
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So she initiated the attack? Glancing blow or otherwise, she did initiate it, correct?
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Based only on what's in the video: no, that's not correct. He initiated contact after she wedges herself up next to the guy with the hipster glasses by grabbing the bar and using it as leverage to shove her towards Mr Hipster. She responds by holding up her balled up fist, but she doesn't actually throw a punch. She held the balled up fist next to her face for three seconds and made no move to actually throw a punch. Not an appropriate reaction by her, no doubt, but nothing physical. At that point, Johnson's only appropriate reaction would have been to beg off, walk away, or just turn and ignore her. Instead he grabbed her arms. At that point she was well within her rights to do anything necessary to defend herself. Anything else he did was furthering his assault on her.
 
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BearCat204 said:
I only watched the video once, it had looked to me that she landed a punch to the face. If I was mistaken to where her act of assault landed, then I apologize.....doesnt change my opinion that she initiated the physical part of the altercation.......but that didnt make it right to punch her either
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He was the first to touch her, not the other way around. Unless something happened out of frame.
 
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Am I imagining something or did it look like she gave him a knee to the balls before she punched him? She also looked like she initiated the entire thing, if you look at the video she moves further down the bar as to block him out from getting there. Again, not absolving him of punching her, but this whole thing could have been avoided
 
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BearCat204 said:
BS and you know that. Look at the video. She initiates contact, then has her left hand on his chest pushing back with her right hand in a clinched fist in his face.
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He is shoving her into the bar and the hipster within a second of them appearing on camera. He absolutely touched her first, and there is no way to argue otherwise.

Again, unless something happened out of frame.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Am I imagining something or did it look like she gave him a knee to the balls before she punched him? She also looked like she initiated the entire thing, if you look at the video she moves further down the bar as to block him out from getting there. Again, not absolving him of punching her, but this whole thing could have been avoided
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She may have got him in the nuts, but she looks like she's using her knee as leverage to free her arms.
 
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bamawriter said:
He is shoving her into the bar and the hipster within a second of them appearing on camera. He absolutely touched her first, and there is no way to argue otherwise.

Again, unless something happened out of frame.
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Seriously? Watch it again. She initiates contact first then tries to block him from the bar by pushing him with her rear and left side. He doesnt seem to pay her any attention until she just about pushes him back. We see it differently because I dont think there is any way to argue that he initiated the contact, its clear from the video
 
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bamawriter said:
She may have got him in the nuts, but she looks like she's using her knee as leverage to free her arms.
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You mean her right arm she had in a position to strike him in the face while her left hand was on his chest? She isnt innocent in this thing like some of you are trying to insist.
 
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I mean, I think the guy is a vagina for punching a chick in the face, but she isnt a poor little innocent lady and its clear from the video that she initiated this altercation. If she had been a guy, I think people would look at the video differently. IMO
 
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BearCat204 said:
Seriously? Watch it again. She initiates contact first then tries to block him from the bar by pushing him with her rear and left side. He doesnt seem to pay her any attention until she just about pushes him back. We see it differently because I dont think there is any way to argue that he initiated the contact, its clear from the video
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When she shoves her rear into him he's already holding the bar with his right hand. His right arm is pinning her against the bar and the hipster to her right. From the first moment either of them appears in the shot, her back is to him and she doesn't make any effort to touch him until after he's had her pinned for a few seconds.

If you're watching the five minute version, her head enters the shot for the first time at 1:43, and he follows her into frame.
 
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BearCat204 said:
I mean, I think the guy is a vagina for punching a chick in the face, but she isnt a poor little innocent lady and its clear from the video that she initiated this altercation. If she had been a guy, I think people would look at the video differently. IMO
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Had it been a male we would be laughing at him for getting rocked after being an obvious ass.
 
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BearCat204 said:
You mean her right arm she had in a position to strike him in the face while her left hand was on his chest? She isnt innocent in this thing like some of you are trying to insist.
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Her right hand was held up next to her ear for more than 3 seconds and she never makes any move to swing. He had to reach up next to her face to grab it.

Her behavior escalated it, but he was in no way, shape, or form defending himself. He was shoving and grabbing a woman who did nothing more than shove him off of her and probably said some really terrible drunk chick stuff.
 
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jpope9 said:
if you look, she balls up her fist before he grabs her, looks to me like he was trying to restrain her from hitting him at first, but they both should be charged.
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Nah, according to some, she was simply tugging on her own ear innocently
 
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BearCat204 said:
So she is innocent of assault herself?
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All of her actions can be reasonably justified as self-defense even if they can't be justified as intelligent. If being a b**** was a crime, she'd be guilty.

His actions cannot be justified as self-defense. He touched her first, and when she retaliated, he continued going at her. Every time she responded physically, he escalated his own physical response. But even if she had been the instigator, self-defense has to be a reasonable use of force, and nothing that he did was reasonable.
 
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jpope9 said:
if you look, she balls up her fist before he grabs her, looks to me like he was trying to restrain her from hitting him at first, but they both should be charged.
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BearCat204 said:
Nah, according to some, she was simply tugging on her own ear innocently
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Balling up a fist is not assault. She didn't actually swing at him.

But even if he were to argue that he was reasonably afraid she was going to hit him, the only appropriate response is walking away. Instead he initiated further contact.
 
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bamawriter said:
All of her actions can be reasonably justified as self-defense even if they can't be justified as intelligent. If being a b**** was a crime, she'd be guilty.

His actions cannot be justified as self-defense. He touched her first, and when she retaliated, he continued going at her. Every time she responded physically, he escalated his own physical response. But even if she had been the instigator, self-defense has to be a reasonable use of force, and nothing that he did was reasonable.
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I agree somewhat to most of your post, but I would say it for both that they should have just walked away, but I have seen the video several times this morning and I certainly do not agree with the bolded. She initiated contact

Is assault not
the intentional creation of a reasonable apprehension of harm
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? Maybe I am unfamiliar with the legal term
 
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