Freeze, Forgiveness, Redemption, ect ...

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Some times it's hard to tell when a man is truly sorry or he's just sorry he got caught. Especially true when that person is extremely comfortable behind a mic while telling people what they want to hear.
 
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If he was hired as a HC, there would be legitimate concern. But, I assume this guy (and his family) has paid a dear price. If it happens again, he's done for, and he knows it.
 
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preacherwebb said:
Okay, so it looks like we may hire Hugh Freeze as OC. Reading Volnation, it's obviously a somewhat controversial decision. Of course, I'm kinda like Rodney KIng ... "Can't we all just get along?"

Someone else posted this link in another thread. I thought it looked interesting, so I clicked and watched.

As a pastor, I've had to deal with folks who messed up, and sought to be restored into the fellowship of the church. While watching this short video (6 min) from a pastoral perspective, I'm looking and listening for a few things to convince me someone has truly repented and is genuinely interested in restoration. Maybe I'm a fool. Maybe I've been duped. Maybe I have orange colored glasses. But I believe I saw and heard the things that indicate to me true repentance.

Respectfully, I would encourage folks to watch this with an open mind, and decide for themselves.

I don't mean this thread as trying to promote CHF, nor to discredit anyone who may oppose the hire. Not looking for a fight from either side.
I just thought this was too important to be lost somewhere deep within the pages of a thread. (Freak, if you disagree ... hey, it's your site ... move as you deem appropriate ... I love you man).

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Pastor, I think there is a difference between forgiving and wanting the person to represent you ( or your school) in this case. Of course not everyone is going to have the same opinion on this hire and many factors will influence that.

What I would love to hear your opinion on is this. Given our fanbase was very unforgiving of Schiano. Is a person that is merely accused of something morally obligated to make a heartfelt apology after the accusation. And what do you think the correct stance is for other peoples jusgement on that person in the event of an accusation?
 
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OJ said:
The man sinned and has asked for forgiveness. Many on here think that their sins are not as bad as his sins. Like the Lord said, let him who is without sin cast the first stone. The Lords prayer say's forgive us our trespasses as we forgive others. If you don't forgive others you will not be forgiven. I think he would be a great hire. Believe me , i preach to myself.
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Do you think theres a difference between forgiveness and hiring them as a representative of yourself or organization? You can " forgive " someone that rapes a child but arent going to hire that person to run your daycare are you?
 
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T_Vol376 said:
I was pretty hard on Feeze yesterday on VN and made some heated and judgemental comments, which I regret. After thinking about it last night... and sorting out my thoughts... and then watching this video... I’ve realized what it was that was irking me about the hire.

Yes, it’s cringeworthy what he did... but as someone says above, that is between, him, God, and his wife and only God knows his heart.

I think what irked me the most is the way people acted on here - literally making jokes and saying “he was just making a man out of them,” (Still not sure if he hired escorts for himself or recruits - I thought it was both but now I realize maybe not.) Folks were talking about hookers and one said “what a great time it was,” and honestly, it just made me sick. Whether it’s common or not, whether the Vol Hostesses were at UT for that purpose or not, it is sickening to me and not the example I would want set for my son on how to treat or think of women. It made my skin crawl how everybody was acting. It got to be pretty crude (to me).

Back to Freeze... it is not up to me to judge him... and it’s true everyone makes mistakes, and certainly, everyone deserves a second chance. (Unless they harmed children - I’m out on that! LOL)

One thing I always thought was cool about Freeze (no pun intended) was that he was one of a small group (at least that I’m aware of) who was a successful collegiate football coach, but never played collegiatelly himself. I thought that was kind of neat.

If he is hired, I hope for the best... for UT Football and him.
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Your message was terrific. Spoken from the heart. Thank you, man.
 
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BloomuVol said:
Now I want you to take that same introspection and tell me why two adults consenting to pay for sex is morally reprehensible to you, and why you feel it's ok to dictate others morals. If you want to teach your son to act a certain way, then be that example and teach him. There is no reason to act all high and mighty just because others dont share your morals.
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I didn't see it that way. I guess we all have our different opinions. I see black, you see white, etc, etc. Let's just leave it at that.
 
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preacherwebb said:
I want to be clear ... I'm not being judgmental. That was absolutely not my intentions. I hope I didn't come off that way.

I was simply relaying that, in my experience as a pastor, I've had to deal with folks in (not exactly the same but) similar circumstances.
I thought my position and experience might be a different view that would interest others.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

Carry on ladies and gents.
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No offense. You may have hit a nerve with someone, but your message was clear, concise, and well thought out. I appreciated your viewpoint. Boy, the world is a mess.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Oh great, you waited for a new thread to get created because you couldn't provide proof yesterday. At the end of the day, the only opinion on Freeze that matters is his wife. If she has forgiven and stuck by him, anyone else's opinion matters exactly zilch.

Also, it is abundantly clear that you are someone who considers yourself to be a perfect being without any mistakes. Crazy people think like that.
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If he is recruiting for Tennessee, then the opinions of alot of women matter, every year.
 
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volfannbama said:
If he is recruiting for Tennessee, then the opinions of alot of women matter, every year.
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The only female opinions that matter are the mothers of the recruits. I think those women are perfectly capable of making a decision and forming their own opinions on Hugh Freeze based on the living room recruiting visits. They won't have to get something spoonfed to them on what they should think or feel about the guy. Call me crazy, but I think people this day and age can form opinions on their own.
 
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preacherwebb said:
HEY EVERYBODY ... I'm sorry I got it stirred up, and by it, I mean all of it.
My bad.

If you're ever on your way to Myrtle Beach and need a place to go to church (we're about an hour and a half from the beach) maybe you can sit in on a service and see if I or the church I pastor is what you think we are.

As for this thread ...

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Unfortunately, you can't reason with the unreasonable. Just keep praying.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
The only female opinions that matter are the mothers of the recruits. I think those women are perfectly capable of making a decision and forming their own opinions on Hugh Freeze based on the living room recruiting visits. They won't have to get something spoonfed to them on what they should think or feel about the guy. Call me crazy, but I think people this day and age can form opinions on their own.
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Sure, and you can get a feel of what may come by listening to some of the women on this board. The ones ive seen are not big fans.
 
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cardvolfan said:
Not so. You have no way of looking into the hearts of men and determining that. But, I'll choose to honor your OPINION.
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He is exactly right and the way I read your post confirmed it. Sure we can look into the heart, therefore the debate isnt actual morality, its risk - reward. Even the Christians, including myself, here use it. " can I frame a moral argument to make the risk worth the reward." There is certainly a risk.
 
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