Freeze, Forgiveness, Redemption, ect ...

[JazzMaster001]

The inability for some to see the difference in this and what Schiano was accused of is baffling

Aren't all sins equal?

 

[preacherwebb]

Hopefully he never has to apply to the “fellowship” of your Church

Sorry that you see me in that light.

Church discipline is a real thing in the Bible. Sometimes it must be enacted. But the purpose is not to run somebody off. The purpose is restoration. And I was talking about restoration.

I'm sorry I can't convey my thoughts better. Makes you wonder how I've been a preacher and pastor for 24+ years, don't it?

This is pretty much why I don't often start threads, nor post in threads often. I'll go back to my cave and leave y'all alone.

 

[BearCat204]

So why would then would you “hope he never has to apply to the fellowship of his church?”

Seriously trying to understand....

Read his third paragraph. Then debate it on the religion thread over in the politics forum cause we could spend days with this

 

[sechamp2012]

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

or BRICK

 

[Woke]

Last I checked Pruitt runs our football program. We’re hiring Freeze as OC not HC. How many press conferences did Helton give? He’s served his 1 year suspension so his past transgressions have been bought and paid for. Time for a new chapter. There’s nothing more to “think” about.

Quit living in the past. Otherwise you’re saying there’s no such thing as redemption or paying your dues or putting your past behind you. I for one am in no position to throw stones at anyone. And with all respect neither is anyone else on this forum.

 

[BearCat204]

Aren't all sins equal?

Yes......what’s your point? In the eyes of God both “sins” are the same, but what does that have to do with hiring a coach.

 

[Volfan76]

so allegedly paying players and calling an escort on a school provided phone is kosher, but there were riots about schiano? and fulmer killed the leach hire within hours because of his antics...i don't think the fanbase's choice of when and when not to to apply morality is going to look good in the media.

Since when is "the media" a standard that anybody should be concerned about with regards to morality?

 

[Rooster1]

Now I want you to take that same introspection and tell me why two adults consenting to pay for sex is morally reprehensible to you, and why you feel it's ok to dictate others morals. If you want to teach your son to act a certain way, then be that example and teach him. There is no reason to act all high and mighty just because others dont share your morals.

You are not touching on the ncaa infractions under his watch.

"Ole Miss “lacked institutional control and fostered an unconstrained culture of booster involvement in football recruiting,” according to the NCAA’s Committee on Infractions ruling. A dozen boosters and six former staffers were implicated by the NCAA in arranging impermissible benefits, including cash payments, free car rides to campus, free hotel rooms, food, and Rebels apparel from an Oxford-area sports merchandise store. Two former staffers were also implicated for arranging fraudulent standardized test scores for three recruits.

In addition to Freeze, former Ole Miss assistant Chris Kiffin, now defensive coordinator at Florida Atlanta, received a two-year show-cause order. Former assistant athletic director Barney Farrar received a five year show-cause."

Forget the hookers, this guy was running a pay for play operation, plain and simple.

 

[JazzMaster001]

Yes......what’s your point? In the eyes of God both “sins” are the same, but what does that have to do with hiring a coach.

Some used morality/sinning as a reason not to hire a coach last year. This time it's different. Seems like some pick and choose when to apply their religious views when searching for a football coach. That's my point.

 

[preacherwebb]

Aren't all sins equal?

Jesus said to Pilate of Judas:
Joh 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

Seems to indicate, in my interpretation, not all sins are equal.
Maybe I'm wrong.

`\_0_/` (I dunno how to do that "I dunno" thing).

 

[BearCat204]

Some used morality/sinning as a reason not to hire a coach last year. This time it's different. Seems like some pick and choose when to apply their religious views when searching for a football coach. That's my point.

 

[Roustabout]

Okay, so it looks like we may hire Hugh Freeze as OC. Reading Volnation, it's obviously a somewhat controversial decision. Of course, I'm kinda like Rodney KIng ... "Can't we all just get along?"

Someone else posted this link in another thread. I thought it looked interesting, so I clicked and watched.

As a pastor, I've had to deal with folks who messed up, and sought to be restored into the fellowship of the church. While watching this short video (6 min) from a pastoral perspective, I'm looking and listening for a few things to convince me someone has truly repented and is genuinely interested in restoration. Maybe I'm a fool. Maybe I've been duped. Maybe I have orange colored glasses. But I believe I saw and heard the things that indicate to me true repentance.

Respectfully, I would encourage folks to watch this with an open mind, and decide for themselves.

I don't mean this thread as trying to promote CHF, nor to discredit anyone who may oppose the hire. Not looking for a fight from either side.
I just thought this was too important to be lost somewhere deep within the pages of a thread. (Freak, if you disagree ... hey, it's your site ... move as you deem appropriate ... I love you man).

Here’s the problem. Jails are full of forgiven people. Jails are full of remorseful people. That doesn’t mean we should set them free. I’m not sure Freeze shouldn’t be in jail. What he did wasn’t merely unethical, but illegal. How he’s avoided the legal consequences is beyond me. I don’t have anything to forgive Freeze for. He didn’t personally offend me or harm me. But, I wouldn’t let him coach my high school team. He shouldn’t be coaching where coaches are also mentors and educators.

 

[Roustabout]

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Do you really think we are suggesting stoning Freeze to death?? Context. Some people have no business handling the word of God. You’d be better off to hit yourself repeatedly in the head with it as try to quote it.

 

[Leeleesteeth]

My point in the other thread was directed at those who would use fake moral outrage/political correctness as an excuse not to make the hire. I am way past tired of seeing good (and like all of us flawed) men destroyed either on social media, in the press, or on forums like this because it's trendy to be outraged over certain behaviors. At the end of the day UT is hiring as ASSISTANT football coach. UT has a chance to hire one with a GREAT Offensive mind and a solid track record. If the people whose JOB it is to make decisions on hiring decide he's acceptable, then he's acceptable.

 

[RavinDave]

see if the rabid dog bites us first to see if we put him down...

GO VOLS...RECRUIT LIKE HECK!

Funny, my dog started barking just as I was reading your post.

 

[JazzMaster001]

My point in the other thread was directed at those who would use fake moral outrage/political correctness as an excuse not to make the hire. I am way past tired of seeing good (and like all of us flawed) men destroyed either on social media, in the press, or on forums like this because it's trendy to be outraged over certain behaviors. At the end of the day UT is hiring as ASSISTANT football coach. UT has a chance to hire one with a GREAT Offensive mind and a solid track record. If the people whose JOB it is to make decisions on hiring decide he's acceptable, then he's acceptable.

Did you feel that way when the people who's job it was to hire someone last year decided to hire Schiano? Was he accceptable to you because UT admin deemed him acceptable?

 

[Leeleesteeth]

Here’s the problem. Jails are full of forgiven people. Jails are full of remorseful people. That doesn’t mean we should set them free. I’m not sure Freeze shouldn’t be in jail. What he did wasn’t merely unethical, but illegal. How he’s avoided the legal consequences is beyond me. I don’t have anything to forgive Freeze for. He didn’t personally offend me or harm me. But, I wouldn’t let him coach my high school team. He shouldn’t be coaching where coaches are also mentors and educators.

Yeah and you want the coach fired for head-butting a kid who has a helmet on. Or you want the coach fired for having a trainer give certain kids IVs at halftime to help with dehydration. OR you want the coach fired for something he said that was too harsh or too negative in your eyes. Etc, etc, etc.

 

[Roustabout]

Last I checked Pruitt runs our football program. We’re hiring Freeze as OC not HC. How many press conferences did Helton give? He’s served his 1 year suspension so his past transgressions have been bought and paid for. Time for a new chapter. There’s nothing more to “think” about.

Quit living in the past. Otherwise you’re saying there’s no such thing as redemption or paying your dues or putting your past behind you. I for one am in no position to throw stones at anyone. And with all respect neither is anyone else on this forum.

I’m sure everyone has their own issues. But, for you to say that we abandon all ethical standards because of that is just plain stupid. Plus, it’s arrogant, as you are in fact setting yourself up as final judge and arbiter of everyone. You are in fact throwing stones at those who have an ethical objection to hiring HF. We call that hypocrisy where I come from. You just veil it in a complete BS statement that “I’m in no position.......”

 

[Leeleesteeth]

Did you feel that way when the people who's job it was to hire someone last year decided to hire Schiano? Was he accceptable to you because UT admin deemed him acceptable?

I didn't have an opinion one way or another on Schiano other than not being real happy with the decision. The administration that made that decision lost their jobs eventually, as will this administration if they hire someone who brings dishonor to the University.

 

[Roustabout]

Yeah and you want the coach fired for head-butting a kid who has a helmet on. Or you want the coach fired for having a trainer give certain kids IVs at halftime to help with dehydration. OR you want the coach fired for something he said that was too harsh or too negative in your eyes. Etc, etc, etc.

What the fudge are you talking about??. Put down the bottle.

 

[Roustabout]

My point in the other thread was directed at those who would use fake moral outrage/political correctness as an excuse not to make the hire. I am way past tired of seeing good (and like all of us flawed) men destroyed either on social media, in the press, or on forums like this because it's trendy to be outraged over certain behaviors. At the end of the day UT is hiring as ASSISTANT football coach. UT has a chance to hire one with a GREAT Offensive mind and a solid track record. If the people whose JOB it is to make decisions on hiring decide he's acceptable, then he's acceptable.

One, Hugh Freeze destroyed himself. To suggest some conspiracy that his problems are due to fake outrage is ludicrous. Hey, if you are a moral vacuum that’s your business. Just let us all know where you live and work so we can avoid all contact with you.

 

[Rooster1]

Jesus said to Pilate of Judas:
Joh 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

Seems to indicate, in my interpretation, not all sins are equal.
Maybe I'm wrong.

`\_0_/` (I dunno how to do that "I dunno" thing).

What would be the purpose of "ranking" sins, from greater to least? Would it be to draw a line somewhere, or to try and link a suitable punishment for each type? Of course not, try a little mind experiment by mentally traveling down that path for a few moments, it'll come to you.

 

[JazzMaster001]

I didn't have an opinion one way or another on Schiano other than not being real happy with the decision. The administration that made that decision lost their jobs eventually, as will this administration if they hire someone who brings dishonor to the University.

Funny I thought he would have been acceptable to you because the UT admin thought he was acceptable.

 

[BearCat204]

Sorry that you see me in that light.

Church discipline is a real thing in the Bible. Sometimes it must be enacted. But the purpose is not to run somebody off. The purpose is restoration. And I was talking about restoration.

I'm sorry I can't convey my thoughts better. Makes you wonder how I've been a preacher and pastor for 24+ years, don't it?

This is pretty much why I don't often start threads, nor post in threads often. I'll go back to my cave and leave y'all alone.

If I offended or upset you then I apologize. I just dont think you being a preacher or not has anything to do with whether or not the University hires him. More specifically, I dont think you being a preacher or not qualifies you to see Freeze clearer so you can determine if he has been restored or that he has repented. Just the way I see your post and if thats not the case then by all means, accept my apology.

 

[Volstar65]

Aren't all sins equal?

All sin is unacceptable to God. We are the ones that put a degree on how bad that sin is. There are sins that are more devastating to us because it hurts those we love and care about in the process. Adultery doesn't only hurt us it has a family involved usually. I think people, whether they are people of faith or not expects someone who teaches redemption and forgiveness to live what they teach. People of faith have to be careful with throwing stones when people ask for forgivness. If we can't forgive we can't be forgiven. Now some will say I can forgive but I won't forget. That is fine because when I wrong someone else I don't forget it either.