Former players post ad supporting Fulmer

#77
#77
Lex, I couldnt agree more with you. This situation will get uglier and uglier. Of course, winning covers over a multitude of sins. What kills me is that alot of people on this board point to us having an opportunity to win the east as a testament to Phil's coaching acumen. The reality is that if the east performs up to it's normal standards, we're so far down the list it's pitiful. Phil's just lucky that this year his failures are less glaring because of the sorry state of the SECE.
 
#79
#79
I think the sad part that we have yet to touch on is the number of players who did not put their names on the ad. It's not like they couldn't be found or weren't asked.

The enormity of that number is very telling about the support for Fulmer.
 
#80
#80
Well I am dismayed at the timing of this ad......the day before the game! I just can't focus!
 
#81
#81
BigPapaVol said:
I think the sad part that we have yet to touch on is the number of players who did not put their names on the ad. It's not like they couldn't be found or weren't asked.

The enormity of that number is very telling about the support for Fulmer.
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I would agree depending on how many were contacted and declined. If it were only a few then no big deal and doesn't say much against him. If it was a lot then that would be telling and a knock.
 
#84
#84
allvol123 said:
I would agree depending on how many were contacted and declined. If it were only a few then no big deal and doesn't say much against him. If it was a lot then that would be telling and a knock.
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I can't imagine they did this without contacting everyone they could actually find.
 
#87
#87
BigPapaVol said:
I can't imagine they did this without contacting everyone they could actually find.
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I am sure you are correct but I don't know the time frame this was put together. 1 day? 1 week? 1 month? It would be impossible to call it a knock without knowing the numbers that declined.
 
#88
#88
allvol123 said:
I am sure you are correct but I don't know the time frame this was put together. 1 day? 1 week? 1 month? It would be impossible to call it a knock without knowing the numbers that declined.
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this was not done in a couple of days. this was a widespread effort to get all of the varsity letter winning alums on board. just didn't work out that well. the number of names seems large until one considers the number of potentials.
 
#89
#89
BigPapaVol said:
this was not done in a couple of days. this was a widespread effort to get all of the varsity letter winning alums on board. just didn't work out that well. the number of names seems large until one considers the number of potentials.
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You know this? Really asking.
 
#93
#93
BigPapaVol said:
I do not KNOW, but am assuming. I'm giving the organizers the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise, I have to assume that they're complete idiots.
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Organizers. I doubt there was a command center and someone manning the phones 40 hours a week. Probably something a lot simpler than that. Perhaps someone, I don't know who, started this and figured I will have it done by "x" date. Whoever I can locate and get on board in that time frame, I get. I still need to state in my argument that I want Phil gone. I just don't have the animosity for the man that others on here have. If he has given his best effort over the years and his best is not good enough then there is no shame in that. I bet most of us believe we can turn a work situation around even if we were the ones that effed it up.

It would also be shameful if he had anything to do with this. I don't believe he did.
 
#94
#94
I view this letter as just another brick in the growing wall that continues to divide Volunteer fans. As for me, on the eve of the beginning of a crucial three game stretch, all I care about is watching the Vols play football. The coaching situation will be evaluated at the end of the season and we will all have to live with the decision MH makes.
 
#95
#95
BigPapaVol said:
I think the sad part that we have yet to touch on is the number of players who did not put their names on the ad. It's not like they couldn't be found or weren't asked.

The enormity of that number is very telling about the support for Fulmer.
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What base number? Fulmer has been a coach at UT since 1980. A roster of 85 assuming 4 years per player (probably something less than that) and knocking out the past two years (current players exemption) you get a total population of 531. If 191 publicly showed support we have 36% willing to belly up to the bar. I really doubt that even half the 531 were contacted so I agree with your statement that the number is very telling about the support for Fulmer......just not the way you meant it.
 
#96
#96
Rasputin_Vol said:
Too often, we've felt like we did after Air Force last year or USC this year.

Sadly, that is enough to satisfy the Kool-aid drinkers enough to where they feel that as long as Vols are winning games, Fulmer is the best man for the job.

When you have a divided fanbase and you have one side debating whether a win or a loss is best for the program in the long term, you can't put that genie back in the bottle unless you start off with a clean slate.
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on that point, i've never tried to be one to discount a win, but i know what you are saying. the thing that gets me is, it's one thing to have a game like that against AF or any number of other teams we've played like that, and struggled against similarly, if you go out and beat the teams that matter. that used to be the case. sure, you struggle with a lesser team, but you beat GA, or SC, or Bama or all three etc...or some combination of them, take your chances with FL and win 10 games and mix in a title game appearance or two and a conf. ch'ship every so often, life is good.

but the struggles against those lesser teams have wound up resulting in losses to those other teams more regularly because the defficiencies seen against those lesser teams aren't a product of just not being up for that team, they were in fact, defficiencies that when put up against better competition resulted in losses.

or we beat ourselves (see 2005).........anyway, i'll take wins any day. even the close ones. i do think there is something to be said for "finding a way to win". We just haven't been doing a lot of that lately, and in this year's case, the 3 games we've lost, we didn't even give ourselves a chance for it to even be close. and those same defficeincies have shown up in every game, save one.

i don't know how much longer i can realistically talk about this.

Lexvol said:
A man should be ashamed that they have to!
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Good point. i wonder what CPF honestly thinks about this......again, i'm going on the assumption, rightfully so i think, that he had nothing to do with this.

would the attitude be "i don't need this" or "this isn't helping" or "ah shucks, that was nice of 'em"?
 
#97
#97
jakez4ut said:
Good point. i wonder what CPF honestly thinks about this......again, i'm going on the assumption, rightfully so i think, that he had nothing to do with this.
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What he thinks? While I am sure he hates that the program is sucking wind under his leadership I would think that aside most people are appreciative of people displaying confidence in them when they are down.
 
#98
#98
allvol123 said:
What he thinks? While I am sure he hates that the program is sucking wind under his leadership I would think that aside most people are appreciative of people displaying confidence in them when they are down.
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i would agree with that, but it's not like a few players sent him a card wishing him well, or good luck or something.......they made it public, which changes the dynamic as it relates to perception.

something i have to believe he's aware of.
 
#99
#99
The Letterman's club has a list of old players who like fulmer and those who don't.
 
#100
#100
jakez4ut said:
i would agree with that, but it's not like a few players sent him a card wishing him well, or good luck or something.......they made it public, which changes the dynamic as it relates to perception.

something i have to believe he's aware of.
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Oh I agree, the public nature of it should make him feel a little embarrassed of the position the program is in.

But the other point is having people from 20+ years work experience displaying publicly their confidence in you. Deep down I am sure that means a lot to him.
 
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