Former Bulldog Aaron Murray on Jeremy Pruitt

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VoL The Impaler said:
Murray is correct about a HC and responsibilities.. But he seems to forget who our athletic director is.. He will make sure CJP gets all the front office tasks taken care of and whatnot.. Fulmer won't let CJP fail with those tasks imo

If CJP has any struggles.. Fulmer will mentor him.. Not saying CJP will, but Fulmer has his back..
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This and Pruitt could have been groomed by his previous head coaches. Pruitt was gonna become a HC somewhere.
 
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What would the narrative be had we hired Les Miles? Would they be talking about our top 10 talent level then? I mean, where did all the stars go from the last 3 recruiting classes? Most of them are still on the team...
 
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VolAllen said:
What would the narrative be had we hired Les Miles? Would they be talking about our top 10 talent level then? I mean, where did all the stars go from the last 3 recruiting classes? Most of them are still on the team...
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They haven’t been developed. Were they even lifting weights? By the photos it doesn’t look like it. One off season won’t correct it completely either.
 
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Well... I know some Cincinnati people said some unflattering things about Lyle Allen Jones back in his hire by the UT. Lots of us pooh-poohed it as sour grapes. Then stuff happened and suddenly those sour grapes were premium grade concords. So I don't pay much attention to weather vane opinions these days. Until proven otherwise, I believe Pruitt will do it.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
SEC This Morning on SECN will be discussing Murray's comments. This isn't going away, 'aight.
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It’s offseason cannon fodder so yes it will go away just as soon as the next positive article comes out about Pruitt . Unless some gloom and doom poster 👀 brings it back up just as soon as CJP makes his first questionable call on the sidelines in a game .
 
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well, ya'll know about opinions and what they're like and you also know everybody has one...right...:)

PS. Murray's opinion shouldn't even be posted on here...who really cares...:p

GO VOLS!
 
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NEVolFan said:
Bulletin board material... I'm pissed too, and that should register with the team in some positive manner.
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I don't think this is that great of bulletin board material for the team, it certainly is for Pruitt, but he doesn't need it. He seems plenty self-motivated. Off-season gonna off-season.
 
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TVOL71 said:
Fulmer's big mistake in 2008 was hiring Clawson to be OC. While Clawson's offensive scheme wasn't necessarily bad, it was very complex, from what I understand much more so than Cutcliff's, and typically would take teams 2 or 3 years to really understand it. That clearly showed with the terrible offensive performance that year. This is OK for a poor team that hasn't won much in past years since you can give them a little time to build, but UT was a team with a winning tradition. Except for the bad year in 2005 (5-6), they had won at least 8 games every year since 1989. I think at that point Fulmer should have been given another year to try to straighten things out, but that is history. Of course then AD Hamilton had a long history of bad personnel decisions, arguably one of the worst UT ADs ever, which has led to where we are now (and then they hire his protege Currie, unbelievable). At any rate, Fulmer is a true Orange Vol, and I believe he will make his best effort to get the Vols back where they belong. Can't say I thought that about the last 2 ADs.
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People point to this or that but really Fulmer just declined and the game passed him by. He peaked in the late 90's but Meyer and Saban brought a new brand to the SEC. Richt cut off the pipeline into GA for talent. Fulmer at the same time declared "We've won a lot of games around here doing what we're doing. We're not going to change now".

He lost control of his team off the field and on the field they showed little discipline between the time that Cut left and came back... and left again.


Recruiting had fallen off pretty sharply too... and especially the OL and DL. He didn't leave much when he was fired. Kiffin inherited Dan Williams and one other "true" DT. It got worse for Dooley. Kiffin had to cobble together an OL that included the Sullins brothers.


Fulmer had his time. It peaked in the late 90's. His wife was right when she advised him to get out of coaching after the NC.

Fulmer is now doing the job he should have asked for and gotten around 2001.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Yeah 2007 was completely horrible. Lol. You make it sound like Fulmer fell off a coaching cliff. He didnt. Yeah 2008 was rough. But Hamilton screwed up big time by pushing him out. You can say it was time for him to go all you want but you would be wrong.
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He had a great run and that should be recognized but that doesn't change the fact that he was on the decline and anybody with half sense saw it.

07 was also remembered for a 2 td L to Cal and losing to UF and Bama by a combined score of 100 to 37. That was a sign that winning the east while a great feat was not indicative of great things to come either.

Cut bought Phil another season but that's it.
 
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BeecherVol said:
He had a great run and that should be recognized but that doesn't change the fact that he was on the decline and anybody with half sense saw it.

07 was also remembered for a 2 td L to Cal and losing to UF and Bama by a combined score of 100 to 37. That was a sign that winning the east while a great feat was not indicative of great things to come either.

Cut bought Phil another season but that's it.
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It is accurate to say that Fulmer "backed into" the SEC CG in 07 as much as it can be accurate. Mizzou did the same thing a couple of times when they first joined the SEC. They weren't that good. They just happened to get easier cross-division games while no one else in the East was very good.

The two games you mentioned were the signs of things to come. Meyer and Saban took competition to another level. They were innovative in their own ways and attracted great players.
 
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He may be right. We will soon see.

A lot of people tried to warn us about Butch, too. I hope we got it right this time.
 
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livefaith said:
I know we all put on the OR glasses around here. And I appreciate that. Plus, I hope Aaron Murray is dead wrong about this.

But, that being said. It's refreshing and at least a little bit interesting to hear someone (in the know at least a little) who will tell the truth about how they actually feel. Overall AM is 100% correct conceptually about head coaching. Plus, it's actually the #1 concern about Pruitt. Zero HC experience. Now, Murray may be as dead wrong as can be about Jeremy. But, there's no way to explicitly say he's wrong.

Only 3 or 4 years will tell. By then we'll have been through so much pain or so much euphoria, that nobody will remember Aaron Murray's statements. He'll be as forgotten as a clipboard holding QB.
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I have OR glasses on when I say that Murray says these things because he went to Georgia, or it's personal because it sounds like he thought Pruitt was disrespectful towards Richt, or I think he's wrong when he says Pruitt can't grow into the role. I don't think it's a stretch to say that Murray doesn't personally like Pruitt and that has influenced his assessment of his coaching prospects. And that isn't surprising if Pruitt and Richt didn't get along at Georgia. To say they seem to have different personalities/styles would be an understatement.

However, it's more of a general factual inaccuracy for him to say that Tennessee "doesn't have a lot of talent." This is not a roster full of scrubs; that's why Butch was such a joke and was fired. Tennessee is more talented than South Carolina and probably about as talented as Florida.
 
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Does this guy post on Volnation? I'm just asking because he seems to know so much about everything, and backs it up with facts and statistics.
 
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sjt18 said:
It is accurate to say that Fulmer "backed into" the SEC CG in 07 as much as it can be accurate. Mizzou did the same thing a couple of times when they first joined the SEC. They weren't that good. They just happened to get easier cross-division games while no one else in the East was very good.

The two games you mentioned were the signs of things to come. Meyer and Saban took competition to another level. They were innovative in their own ways and attracted great players.
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That was a really funny, inconsistent team that year. We were destroyed by Florida and Alabama, lost to a very mediocre Cal team, and almost lost to Vanderbilt and Kentucky. However we somehow badly beat a Georgia team that year that beat Florida by 12 (while scoring 42 points) and finished #2 in the AP and almost beat the eventual national title winner in the SECCG.

I agree that it was ultimately a sign, clearer in hindsight, that while we won the East we weren't all that good, or were good but not able to bring it on a consistent basis.
 
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05_never_again said:
That was a really funny, inconsistent team that year. We were destroyed by Florida and Alabama, lost to a very mediocre Cal team, and almost lost to Vanderbilt and Kentucky. However we somehow badly beat a Georgia team that year that beat Florida by 12 (while scoring 42 points) and finished #2 in the AP and almost beat the eventual national title winner in the SECCG.

I agree that it was ultimately a sign, clearer in hindsight, that while we won the East we weren't all that good, or were good but not able to bring it on a consistent basis.
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A lot of it was lack of depth by that point. Also, Cut was absolutely brilliant that year. He took Ainge and a bunch of no name receivers with not much in the run game and produced. But when you are that limited there will be teams that simply have too much talent on D or will figure out how to scheme you.
 
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Booger McFarland was 100% correct last year when he said that Tennessee was going to be abysmal before the start of last season. Everyone laughed at him and said he was wrong. How do we know that Murray isn't correct, however, he does have personal bias against Pruitt for whatever reason.

I am both looking forward to and not looking forward to this season.......
 
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VolunteerCeltic said:
Booger McFarland was 100% correct last year when he said that Tennessee was going to be abysmal before the start of last season. Everyone laughed at him and said he was wrong. How do we know that Murray isn't correct, however, he does have personal bias against Pruitt for whatever reason.

I am both looking forward to and not looking forward to this season.......
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Watching Antonio callaway mess with booger this past spring on that little media interview thing, booger seemed genuinely impressed by Pruitt and the new coaching staff and when the little segment finished up he told Callaway, “aye, y’all got some real coaches now.”

No one is expecting to win the east this season. For obvious reasons. But I also don’t think we are going to have a 4 win season, either. 6-6 to 8-4 is probably reasonable. 8-4 would be an amazing season.
 
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Seems like there was a big riff in UGA Land about the time Richt was at the end of his tenure there. I don't blame Murray or anyone else for standing by Richt, but I also think that can put blinders up and cause you to see others as either "for him" or "against him" with no middle ground. I've seen that play out outside the realm of football.

Murray could be dead-on accurate and we'll have a mess on our hands in a few years, but for now I'm choosing to take his comments against CJP with a grain of salt.
 
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