For Those Who are Critical of Our Scheme

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butchna said:
Don't disagree but you do have to factor in level of competition. Bajakian called effective games at CMU and Cincy. Why did he flop in the SEC...yes, he flopped.
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Hard to really evaluate Bajakian given the hand he was dealt.
 
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butchna said:
Don't disagree but you do have to factor in level of competition. Bajakian called effective games at CMU and Cincy. Why did he flop in the SEC...yes, he flopped.
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I was wondering who would be the 1st to say that. The thing people have to remember is that Central Michigan had the same level of players the rest of the MAC had. In other words, Butch wasn't playing with SEC caliber players in the MAC. So the "level of competition" argument doesn't hold water.
 
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butchna said:
Don't disagree but you do have to factor in level of competition. Bajakian called effective games at CMU and Cincy. Why did he flop in the SEC...yes, he flopped.
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Bajakian was going up against SEC talent with Derek Dooley's team and a bunch of true freshmen.
 
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GAVol said:
Hard to really evaluate Bajakian given the hand he was dealt.
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I understand that line of thinking but the truly good coaches give you glimpses in the hard times. I saw a tunnel vision mentality ala Chaney. I don't think he had it in him to implement the power running Butch emphasized and badly wanted after tOSU won with it in a similar scheme. And I didn't get the passing guru vibe either with Worley and Dobbs. You could argue the same under DeBord last year...cept for the leap in rushing prowess. Bajakian was an OC/QB coach who didn't seem to meld the two. DeBord had some background with OL coaching and it showed in the offense. Apologize to the OP for this veer, but it was born from Bajakian being competent at the previous two stops but not so much in Knoxville.
 
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Nasavol said:
I was wondering who would be the 1st to say that. The thing people have to remember is that Central Michigan had the same level of players the rest of the MAC had. In other words, Butch wasn't playing with SEC caliber players in the MAC. So the "level of competition" argument doesn't hold water.
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Totally agree with this. But some will still argue mostly because they just prefer a different offense or they prefer the flavor of the day offense that some other team that is successful is running.

Too many coaches on volnation.
 
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CoaxialOrange said:
Very small sample size for Bajakian and not exactly our most offensively explosive roster either.
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Two years and we played Georgia straight up and bested South Carolina twice...that is a glimpse. Just saw more adjustments and innovations in a few DeBord coached games than Jake's entire tenure.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Totally agree with this. But some will still argue mostly because they just prefer a different offense or they prefer the flavor of the day offense that some other team that is successful is running.

Too many coaches on volnation.
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I don't remember submitting my playbook. :). Just remarking on a particular coach's performance...from my viewpoint. Don't advocate "changing the offense". Just implementing more of the offset I we glimpsed in the bowl game...easily done. :)
 
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Nasavol said:
I was wondering who would be the 1st to say that. The thing people have to remember is that Central Michigan had the same level of players the rest of the MAC had. In other words, Butch wasn't playing with SEC caliber players in the MAC. So the "level of competition" argument doesn't hold water.
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Course it does. There are offenses that put up big numbers in lesser conference but don't translate to higher levels...like Bajakian's. He was way too finesse...it wasn't sustainable. Lefavour doesn't get those numbers in the SEC. So using him as the model for Butch's prototype QB is faulty...IMO. :hi:
 
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Offset I is a formation I have a feeling we'll see a bit more of this season when teams least expect it and are least ready to defend it.

I think seeing it in the Bowl game was a sample of practice in real game conditions to see how well it would work.

Methinks DeBord is slowly getting buTch to let him do a little more of what he sees can work well with the talent on the O he has to work with.

Don't be surprised if you see some more good surprises this season as the season moves along and we need a new twist to get the WIN.

I still think we'll stay as vanilla as we can and for as long as we can and still get the WIN.

We want the surprises to come out only when we really need some things to pull out the WIN.

WIN by WIN Team 120 will earn their respect and national ranking...VFL...GBO!!!
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
Offset I is a formation I have a feeling we'll see a bit more of this season when teams least expect it and are least ready to defend it.

I think seeing it in the Bowl game was a sample of practice in real game conditions to see how well it would work.

Methinks DeBord is slowly getting buTch to let him do a little more of what he sees can work well with the talent on the O he has to work with.

Don't be surprised if you see some more good surprises this season as the season moves along and we need a new twist to get the WIN.

I still think we'll stay as vanilla as we can and for as long as we can and still get the WIN.

We want the surprises to come out only when we really need some things to pull out the WIN.

WIN by WIN Team 120 will earn their respect and national ranking...VFL...GBO!!!
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Just loved some of the breakdowns by that Wordpress dude on here...especially the OL. Lot more pulling by our guards and Thomas but done aggressively. :aggressive: Agree with you that DeBord used the bowl practice and bowl game as a litmus test for that formation. They implemented it in a month and it was seamless. Opens up play action possibilities for Dobbs yet still adds a punch first facet to our offense.
 
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butchna said:
Course it does. There are offenses that put up big numbers in lesser conference but don't translate to higher levels...like Bajakian's. He was way too finesse...it wasn't sustainable. Lefavour doesn't get those numbers in the SEC. So using him as the model for Butch's prototype QB is faulty...IMO. :hi:
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So, who would be the prototype QB? The Rich Rod scheme has proven to be pretty effective thru the years. The offset I pro style offense is becoming pretty archaic in college ball. Bama and LSU can run it simply because they out talent you with those big bodies, and those guys are using more and more spread concepts. Spurrier and Meyer also had pretty good success with a finesse system.

Still say the competition thing has no bearing.
 
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chattaboogie said:
Jesus that 2007 season he was busting heads. 4774 yards and 46 TD's accounted for.
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Team scored 7 against Kansas
22 against Purdue (48 in the
bowl LOSS REMATCH)
14 against NORTH DAKOTA ST
14 against Clemson
Also scored 45 in another loss to EASTERN MICHIGAN.

Best wins were either Northern Illinois or Miami University. I know I know "can only play at the level of competition of your conference", so how does that explain getting rolled by FCS NDSU?
 
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Nasavol said:
So, who would be the prototype QB? The Rich Rod scheme has proven to be pretty effective thru the years. The offset I pro style offense is becoming pretty archaic in college ball. Bama and LSU can run it simply because they out talent you with those big bodies, and those guys are using more and more spread concepts. Spurrier and Meyer also had pretty good success with a finesse system.

Still say the competition thing has no bearing.
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Prototype QB? Maybe he's Dobbs, on the roster or not. :dunno: Don't be in such a damn hurry! :). Offset I mixed in with the spread? Bear Bryant do that? And your Spurrier/Meyer comparisons are WAY OFF. Those Connor Shaw USCe teams were the furtherest from "finesse" and I'm steadfast that watching the Buckeyes RUN THROUGH their playoff opponents two seasons ago lit a fire in Butch to demand that (promised in his introduction as HC) hard physical aspect in the offense...and since Coach Jake is a finesse guy, he decided to realize his LIFELONG dream to be a NFL QB coach...all of a sudden. :wink2: Connect all of those dots and you have a black piece of paper. :)
 
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Stats don't mean crap to me.

When we have a 14 point lead in the 4th quarter how about a couple of first downs to burn some clock. Our offense let us down at crucial times last season, either fix it or scrap the whole system and try something new.

The win column is the only stat that really matters.
 
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butchna said:
Don't disagree but you do have to factor in level of competition. Bajakian called effective games at CMU and Cincy. Why did he flop in the SEC...yes, he flopped.
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If you don't have the right players to run your system, that is not flopping. That is like being the one legged man in an ass kicking contest. Especially in the SEC.
 
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TNnative said:
If you don't have the right players to run your system, that is not flopping. That is like being the one legged man in an ass kicking contest. Especially in the SEC.
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Notice how many times we ran that jet sweep last year? Me neither. :). It was a finesse play that didn't work but he kept going to it. I don't think we would have ever had the "right players to run" it. It wasn't Butch's system... just a Jake tendency that got written out.
 
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