Florida looks like garbage UPDATE: LOST

[kptvol1]

We will jump more this week because some of the voters are complicit with the networks IMO. They will boost us up to help push Game day match -up and college football its their lifeline. The ratings match-up are a part of the promotion so they want it to have a cool sound bite.

Good call!

 

[Rickyvol77]

Exactly. Bum should have USF in the natty. Bum of bums.

I never said he was a bum OR have USF in the natty.

But he's 16-13 against a very weak schedule so far. He's not an elite coach period, although he has chances to grow.

His offense has been average there

 

[Rickyvol77]

What did you form this opinion from? It could not have been from the way South Florida recruited high school players in the 5 classes they signed prior to Alex Golesh coaching his first game for them in 2023.

This is where South Florida fell in the 247 Sports College Football Composite Recruiting Class Team Rankings from 2019 to 2023 :

2019 : 75th
2020 : 108th
2021 : 65th
2022 : 91st
2023 : 76th

For the most part, South Florida's talent has been on par (or worse) than that of their competition. Also, they beat Syracuse 45-0 in The Boca Raton Bowl at the end of Alex Golesh's first season in 2023.

This is where South Florida has placed, in the 2 full classes that Alex Golesh has signed so far in 2024 and 2025 :

2024 : 50th
2025 : 62nd

Alex Golesh has improved their talent, but he had to. He didn't inherit much at all from Jeff Scott.

look at the schedule two years prior to Golesh, yes Scott was awful and Golesh is better, that's not the argument. But Scott also was playing SEVEN P4 level programs a year (a much tougher OOC schedule plus schools Cincy, UCF, SMU, Houston who were already on the way to bigger conferences). Golesh has played an average of 2 of these type schools a year, and those aforementioned programs were replaced by North Texas, FAU, Charlotte and UTSA. It's NOT the same.

in 3 seasons he has beaten ONE team that has finished with a winning record (7-6 San Jose St), his win vs Syracuse was ok but they were 6-7 and down 15 starters.

Golesh has rebuilt USF and is much better than Scott was...but he is 16-12 and offense is not doing well at all. He's not some huge coaching genius and there are tons of coaches who could've produced similar results there

Schedule before Golesh:

2022-South Florida (American)​
9/3​	vs.	Brigham Young (8-5)	L	21​	50​
9/10​	vs.	Howard (non-IA)	W	42​	20​
9/17​	@	Florida (6-7)	L	28​	31​
9/24​	@	Louisville (8-5)	L	3​	41​
10/1​	vs.	*East Carolina (8-5)	L	28​	48​	@ Boca Raton, FL
10/8​	@	*Cincinnati (9-4)	L	24​	28​
10/15​	vs.	*Tulane (12-2)	L	31​	45​
10/29​	@	*Houston (8-5)	L	27​	42​
11/5​	@	*Temple (3-9)	L	28​	54​
11/12​	vs.	*Southern Methodist (7-6)	L	23​	41​
11/18​	@	*Tulsa (5-7)	L	42​	48​
11/26​	vs.	*Central Florida (9-5)	L	39​	46​
	1-11-0​		336	494

2021-South Florida (American)​
9/2​	@	North Carolina State (9-3)	L	0​	45​
9/11​	vs.	Florida (6-7)	L	20​	42​
9/18​	vs.	Florida A&M (non-IA)	W	38​	17​
9/25​	@	Brigham Young (10-3)	L	27​	35​
10/2​	@	*Southern Methodist (8-4)	L	17​	41​
10/16​	vs.	*Tulsa (7-6)	L	31​	32​
10/23​	vs.	*Temple (3-9)	W	34​	14​
10/28​	@	*East Carolina (7-5)	L	14​	29​
11/6​	vs.	*Houston (12-2)	L	42​	54​
11/12​	vs.	*Cincinnati (13-1)	L	28​	45​
11/20​	@	*Tulane (2-10)	L	14​	45​
11/26​	@	*Central Florida (9-4)	L	13​	17​
	2-10-0​		278	416

Golesh's schedule:

2024-South Florida (American)​
8/31​	vs.	Bethune-Cookman (non-IA)	W	48​	3​
9/7​	@	Alabama (9-4)	L	16​	42​
9/14​	@	Southern Mississippi (1-11)	W	49​	24​
9/21​	vs.	Miami (Florida) (10-3)	L	15​	50​
9/28​	@	*Tulane (9-5)	L	10​	45​
10/12​	vs.	*Memphis (11-2)	L	3​	21​
10/19​	vs.	*Alabama-Birmingham (3-9)	W	35​	25​
11/1​	@	*Florida Atlantic (3-9)	W	44​	21​
11/9​	vs.	*Navy (10-3)	L	7​	28​
11/16​	@	*Charlotte (5-7)	W	59​	24​
11/23​	vs.	*Tulsa (3-9)	W	63​	30​
11/30​	@	*Rice (4-8)	L	28​	35​
12/24​	vs.	San Jose State (7-6)	W	41​	39​	@ Honolulu, HI	Hawaii Bowl
	7-6-0​		418	387

2023-South Florida (American)​
9/2​	@	Western Kentucky (8-5)	L	24​	41​
9/9​	vs.	Florida A&M (non-IA)	W	38​	24​
9/16​	vs.	Alabama (12-2)	L	3​	17​
9/23​	vs.	*Rice (6-7)	W	42​	29​
9/30​	@	*Navy (5-7)	W	44​	30​
10/7​	@	*Alabama-Birmingham (4-8)	L	35​	56​
10/14​	vs.	*Florida Atlantic (4-8)	L	14​	56​
10/21​	@	Connecticut (3-9)	W	24​	21​
11/4​	@	*Memphis (10-3)	L	50​	59​
11/11​	vs.	*Temple (3-9)	W	27​	23​
11/17​	@	*Texas-San Antonio (9-4)	L	21​	49​
11/25​	vs.	*Charlotte (3-9)	W	48​	14​
12/21​	vs.	Syracuse (6-7)	W	45​	0​	@ Boca Raton, FL	Boca Raton Bowl
	7-6-0​		415	419

 

[Other_Guy]

I never said he was a bum OR have USF in the natty.

But he's 16-13 against a very weak schedule so far. He's not an elite coach period, although he has chances to grow.

His offense has been average there

It's south florida dude.

 

[Rickyvol77]

It's south florida dude.

South Florida who has 37 wins vs Power 5 teams and a number #2 AP ranking before he was ever their coach?

 

[BowlBrother85]

look at the schedule two years prior to Golesh, yes Scott was awful and Golesh is better, that's not the argument. But Scott also was playing SEVEN P4 level programs a year (a much tougher OOC schedule plus schools Cincy, UCF, SMU, Houston who were already on the way to bigger conferences). Golesh has played an average of 2 of these type schools a year, and those aforementioned programs were replaced by North Texas, FAU, Charlotte and UTSA. It's NOT the same.

in 3 seasons he has beaten ONE team that has finished with a winning record (7-6 San Jose St), his win vs Syracuse was ok but they were 6-7 and down 15 starters.

Golesh has rebuilt USF and is much better than Scott was...but he is 16-12 and offense is not doing well at all. He's not some huge coaching genius and there are tons of coaches who could've produced similar results there

Schedule before Golesh:

2022-South Florida (American)​
9/3​	vs.	Brigham Young (8-5)	L	21​	50​
9/10​	vs.	Howard (non-IA)	W	42​	20​
9/17​	@	Florida (6-7)	L	28​	31​
9/24​	@	Louisville (8-5)	L	3​	41​
10/1​	vs.	*East Carolina (8-5)	L	28​	48​	@ Boca Raton, FL
10/8​	@	*Cincinnati (9-4)	L	24​	28​
10/15​	vs.	*Tulane (12-2)	L	31​	45​
10/29​	@	*Houston (8-5)	L	27​	42​
11/5​	@	*Temple (3-9)	L	28​	54​
11/12​	vs.	*Southern Methodist (7-6)	L	23​	41​
11/18​	@	*Tulsa (5-7)	L	42​	48​
11/26​	vs.	*Central Florida (9-5)	L	39​	46​
	1-11-0​		336	494

2021-South Florida (American)​
9/2​	@	North Carolina State (9-3)	L	0​	45​
9/11​	vs.	Florida (6-7)	L	20​	42​
9/18​	vs.	Florida A&M (non-IA)	W	38​	17​
9/25​	@	Brigham Young (10-3)	L	27​	35​
10/2​	@	*Southern Methodist (8-4)	L	17​	41​
10/16​	vs.	*Tulsa (7-6)	L	31​	32​
10/23​	vs.	*Temple (3-9)	W	34​	14​
10/28​	@	*East Carolina (7-5)	L	14​	29​
11/6​	vs.	*Houston (12-2)	L	42​	54​
11/12​	vs.	*Cincinnati (13-1)	L	28​	45​
11/20​	@	*Tulane (2-10)	L	14​	45​
11/26​	@	*Central Florida (9-4)	L	13​	17​
	2-10-0​		278	416

Golesh's schedule:

2024-South Florida (American)​
8/31​	vs.	Bethune-Cookman (non-IA)	W	48​	3​
9/7​	@	Alabama (9-4)	L	16​	42​
9/14​	@	Southern Mississippi (1-11)	W	49​	24​
9/21​	vs.	Miami (Florida) (10-3)	L	15​	50​
9/28​	@	*Tulane (9-5)	L	10​	45​
10/12​	vs.	*Memphis (11-2)	L	3​	21​
10/19​	vs.	*Alabama-Birmingham (3-9)	W	35​	25​
11/1​	@	*Florida Atlantic (3-9)	W	44​	21​
11/9​	vs.	*Navy (10-3)	L	7​	28​
11/16​	@	*Charlotte (5-7)	W	59​	24​
11/23​	vs.	*Tulsa (3-9)	W	63​	30​
11/30​	@	*Rice (4-8)	L	28​	35​
12/24​	vs.	San Jose State (7-6)	W	41​	39​	@ Honolulu, HI	Hawaii Bowl
	7-6-0​		418	387

2023-South Florida (American)​
9/2​	@	Western Kentucky (8-5)	L	24​	41​
9/9​	vs.	Florida A&M (non-IA)	W	38​	24​
9/16​	vs.	Alabama (12-2)	L	3​	17​
9/23​	vs.	*Rice (6-7)	W	42​	29​
9/30​	@	*Navy (5-7)	W	44​	30​
10/7​	@	*Alabama-Birmingham (4-8)	L	35​	56​
10/14​	vs.	*Florida Atlantic (4-8)	L	14​	56​
10/21​	@	Connecticut (3-9)	W	24​	21​
11/4​	@	*Memphis (10-3)	L	50​	59​
11/11​	vs.	*Temple (3-9)	W	27​	23​
11/17​	@	*Texas-San Antonio (9-4)	L	21​	49​
11/25​	vs.	*Charlotte (3-9)	W	48​	14​
12/21​	vs.	Syracuse (6-7)	W	45​	0​	@ Boca Raton, FL	Boca Raton Bowl
	7-6-0​		415	419

You are straining to make a case against Golesh. He has done a very good job at South Florida, considering what he inherited. You made the claim that Jeff Scott's teams would have likely beaten 7 of the top 10 teams that Golesh's teams have beaten, and that is impossible to support, based on the results of Scott's teams from 2020-2022. That was a ridiculous thing to say.

 

[NighthawkVol]

They still have some dudes on the team. Their schedule is not easy and Napier doesn’t appear to be the answer.

If Napier is fired, Lagway probably transfers. Lagway came to play for Napier.

They’d lose a decent amount of talent to transfer.

Hubbs made a good point about this next Florida hire. Programs usually hire something that is different than the guy they just fired. They went with mid major head coach last time, so they probably won’t do that this time. It’ll likely be a sitting power 4 head coach or a big-time power 4 coordinator. That eliminates Golesh.

I’d guess Fisch because he’s a P4 head coach and an alum. That makes him more likely to overlook the dysfunction than someone like Kiffin. I could also see Glen Schumann being the guy.

A dark horse candidate I’ve thought about is Fran Brown. He looks like a pretty good coach at Syracuse, is a renowned recruiter in the southeast, having had experience under Kirby at Georgia. And his offenses have been exciting, even though he’s a defensive coach. If I’m Florida’s AD, I’m taking a hard look at him.

 

[TJVol95]

Watch em beat the overrated tigers Saturday

 

[KTrain]

He missed all of spring practice which didn’t help

Lagway has had 3 different nagging injuries throughout the off year. He may end up being one of those were they say remember when he came in and Heisman talk but injuries can change a player physically and mentally. I see the same thing with Ryan Williams at Bama he dominated in HS and then he started that way at Bama but got blown up a bunch of times and he has played different since. You can actually get hurt bad in this game enters and never leaves some players head, some move on and some can't.

 

[Other_Guy]

South Florida who has 37 wins vs Power 5 teams and a number #2 AP ranking before he was ever their coach?

And he just did what the prestigious Tenn school hasn't done in decades: win in the swamp.

 

[Wireless1]

USF looks good to be honest. I think it is more of USF being better than people think than Florida being bad.

While I agree USF is better than many thought, the Bulls did not make the bone headed play calls on UF last drive, or spit on an opposing player. UF has real issues

 

[Rickyvol77]

And he just did what the prestigious Tenn school hasn't done in decades: win in the swamp.

Let’s see what happens in November. Mark stoops has won there too and he sucks as a coach

 

[Other_Guy]

Let’s see what happens in November. Mark stoops has won there too and he sucks as a coach

"Sucks" is a really strong word. He's had a couple of 10 win seasons and was over .500 consistently until NIL is making it to where they can't compete because the university cares way more about football. I'd say our previous 3 coaches sucked. Mark is a solid coach who we never will know what he would've done with a talented, winning program.
I'm not sure why your expectation level for coaches at these smaller/lesser schools is so high. I can't imagine the standard you're holding Heupel to.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

"Sucks" is a really strong word. He's had a couple of 10 win seasons and was over .500 consistently until NIL is making it to where they can't compete because the university cares way more about football. I'd say our previous 3 coaches sucked. Mark is a solid coach who we never will know what he would've done with a talented, winning program.
I'm not sure why your expectation level for coaches at these smaller/lesser schools is so high. I can't imagine the standard you're holding Heupel to.

Stoops is 36-62 in the SEC.

Even his best UK teams lost to some of our worst coaches in Tennessee history.

Why do you think he’s been at Kentucky for 10+ years? Nobody wanted to hire him.

Texas A&M fans protested against him when he tried to leave last year and most UK fans want him gone now.

 

[Rickyvol77]

"Sucks" is a really strong word. He's had a couple of 10 win seasons and was over .500 consistently until NIL is making it to where they can't compete because the university cares way more about football. I'd say our previous 3 coaches sucked. Mark is a solid coach who we never will know what he would've done with a talented, winning program.
I'm not sure why your expectation level for coaches at these smaller/lesser schools is so high. I can't imagine the standard you're holding Heupel to.

Jesus now you think stoops is a solid coach? Ask a UK fan what they think. He’s been there a decade and loaded up on easy scheduLes and still can’t produce a functional QB and his SEC record is one of the worst in the conference. It’s hilarious how you prop up mediocrity and claim it’s some amazing feat

 

[Rickyvol77]

Stoops is 36-62 in the SEC.

Even his best UK teams lost to some of our worst coaches in Tennessee history.

Why do you think he’s been at Kentucky for 10+ years? Nobody wanted to hire him.

Texas A&M fans protested against him when he tried to leave last year and most UK fans want him gone now.

He has no sense of reality

 

[Other_Guy]

Jesus now you think stoops is a solid coach? Ask a UK fan what they think. He’s been there a decade and loaded up on easy scheduLes and still can’t produce a functional QB and his SEC record is one of the worst in the conference. It’s hilarious how you prop up mediocrity and claim it’s some amazing feat

ITS KENTUCKY bro lol

 

[Other_Guy]

Stoops is 36-62 in the SEC.

Even his best UK teams lost to some of our worst coaches in Tennessee history.

Why do you think he’s been at Kentucky for 10+ years? Nobody wanted to hire him.

Texas A&M fans protested against him when he tried to leave last year and most UK fans want him gone now.

What coaches do you think are having great records at Kentucky?
I didnt say he was a great or even really good coach.
But to say he "sucks" is ridiculous. That's saved for people like our previous 3 coaches.

 

[Rickyvol77]

What coaches do you think are having great records at Kentucky?
I didnt say he was a great or even really good coach.
But to say he "sucks" is ridiculous. That's saved for people like our previous 3 coaches.

You tend to defend mediocre coaches and their average to terrible records with "but it's at xyz program".

Stoops is awful and sucks hard. Here are UK football coaches for comparison

Stoops overall winning pct - .479 (.311 conference record)
Claiborne - .472 (.260)
Bryant - .710 (.563)
Collier - .538 (.388)
Curci - .480 (.455)
Brooks - .453 (.291)
Mumme - .435 (.313)

Basically even with a much much easier schedule than his predecessors, he is the same or worse than most all of them.
He wins against Mississippi St and Louisville more often and that's about it

 

[Rickyvol77]

"Sucks" is a really strong word. He's had a couple of 10 win seasons and was over .500 consistently until NIL is making it to where they can't compete because the university cares way more about football. I'd say our previous 3 coaches sucked. Mark is a solid coach who we never will know what he would've done with a talented, winning program.
I'm not sure why your expectation level for coaches at these smaller/lesser schools is so high. I can't imagine the standard you're holding Heupel to.

Also Heupel is an elite coach who is one of the top ten winningiest coaches in the country who has succeeded at two schools now.

He holds himself to his own standard. Which has been great

 

[Other_Guy]

You tend to defend mediocre coaches and their average to terrible records with "but it's at xyz program".

Stoops is awful and sucks hard. Here are UK football coaches for comparison

Stoops overall winning pct - .479 (.311 conference record)
Claiborne - .472 (.260)
Bryant - .710 (.563)
Collier - .538 (.388)
Curci - .480 (.455)
Brooks - .453 (.291)
Mumme - .435 (.313)

Basically even with a much much easier schedule than his predecessors, he is the same or worse than most all of them.
He wins against Mississippi St and Louisville more often and that's about it

So he's average? Huh. Imagine that.

 

[Rickyvol77]

So he's average? Huh. Imagine that.

Yes and he sucks which is why UK fans don't want him, and Texas A&M fans thru a Schiano sized revolt when their AD looked like he was talking to him last season

 

[NighthawkVol]

I only saw the last USF drive that led to the winning FG. Did Florida look really bad or was USF good?

 

[McDad]

I only saw the last USF drive that led to the winning FG. Did Florida look really bad or was USF good?

I watched the second half. To me, neither looked particularly good. Either UF offense is not good and/or USF defense was surprisingly good. USF offense was opportunistic more so than it was methodical.

 

[miket4god]

I watched the second half. To me, neither looked particularly good. Either UF offense is not good and/or USF defense was surprisingly good. USF offense was opportunistic more so than it was methodical.

Agreed. USF made plays when they needed to, but were massively helped by FL mistakes.