Findings from Report on BPD

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k-town_king said:
What is incorrect? Every single drug study shows Black and White drug usage and sales are the same. With America being around 80% White, with equal enforcement rates Whites would account for the majority of the prison population. These are facts any idiot can understand.
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I have no idea who sales more drugs but they do seem to sale them in different ways.... White guys typically do it in private from their houses while black people are more out there in the public eye.
 
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apevol said:
I don't think he meant that the BPD stopped half the population.
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Well he said 300,000 out of 630,000 that it was almost half the population..... One year I was pulled over ten times.... I had a bit of a speeding problem. LOL
 
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n_huffhines said:
Well, the war on drugs is made up of hundreds, if not thousands of federal laws, so you just named more than a few.

Even if it were just one law, it's still the root of Baltimore's problems.
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Everything with you comes back to the war on drugs and how white people are racist..... You're a funny guy Huff. You should do a stand up routine.
 
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1972 Grad said:
So, if federal drug laws were not enforced, Baltimore's problems would disappear? All of the black men in jail would become responsible, stay at home dads? They would go to work, and support their families, if only they weren't in jail? Okay.
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Just like whites, some would and some wouldn't, but you can bet your ass that it will make a difference.

No city is without problems. This would just take care of their biggest problem and it would positively bleed over into other areas too.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
White cops then....
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Try again....have we met before?

I have consistently argued that while the criminal justice system creates racially inequitable results, i don't think cops are any different than the rest of the population...i would guess a few are racists and most are good guys...
 
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n_huffhines said:
So your argument is that black people get stopped because they say "F off pig"?

Can you back this up with anything other than your inner racist?
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nice. I never mentioned race, and I said hyperbole. project much?

my argument is that I think that cop shootings are usually reactionary not racist.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
When you put it like that, that just illustrates the type of tyranny that was in Baltimore. And we wonder why the civilians and the cops have tension amongst one another.
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have you been to Baltimore? again I live in Atlanta and we look like nuns compared to Baltimore.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Well, the war on drugs is made up of hundreds, if not thousands of federal laws, so you just named more than a few.

Even if it were just one law, it's still the root of Baltimore's problems.
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not even close and I can't believe you consider this a real argument.
 
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Its not the lack of jobs, its not the heavy pollution, its not the shocking lack of infrastructure (power, water and basic stores), its not gentrification, its not the drug laws, racism, the government (local or federal), its not its colorful past (various race riots, failed mega projects), its not a lack of support or money, its not education, its not from a lack of effort. you fix any one, any five of those and won't have fixed Baltimore's problem. the people don't want change
 
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n_huffhines said:
This is not an argument. Please make one.
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see my post after the one you quoted. what does freeing up about 2200 (20000 people in Maryland jails, 1/3 from Baltimore 1/3 on drug charges, I had no hard numbers so I was doing some rough math based on their numbers) people in Baltimore do to fix anything?

The Right Investment?: Corrections Spending in Baltimore City | Prison Policy Initiative

and that includes a number of violent offenders in jail for drugs.

and that is an exhaustive article on ALL the problems, and all the ways they have tried and what they could do. your point was that drug laws are THE problem in Baltimore. go look at the High Incarceration Neighborhoods in that article, they list 10 problems. drugs is only one. getting rid of that solves nothing. The article even suggest reducing incarcerations across the board (even violent crimes) but says even doing that is not enough, you have to reinvest that money on any number of issues.
 
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k-town_king said:
The numbers are the same in Repub controlled cities. Only a dummy would ignore plain hard facts. If police searched White and Black people at an equal rate there would be way more White people in jail than Black. Most people are in jail for drugs.White and Black people buy, sell, and posses them at the same rates but there are way more White people. Because Black people are the ones being harassed and searched they are the ones being arrested for drugs. These are proven facts that anyone who isn't ignorant knows and acknowledges.
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Sure you can look at that one stat and draw a conclusion, but it is wearing blinders to other factors.

I question whether you are willing to take an honest look at the variables. My wife works for a DA office. Significantly more white arrests than blacks in our county, btw.

Due to liberal policies of the past 50 years, blacks are more likely to live in low income housing and high population concentration, where there is MORE violent crime. Those are facts you can't deny.

It is much more difficult to police rural areas. Further, how drugs are exchanged in rural areas is much more benign and less accompanied by violent activity. Not so for our urban areas. Look at the stats of who is more likely to die in a drug deal. If there are more whites than blacks and both use drugs at the same %, then please tell me why a black person is more likely to die in a drug deal?

Many people who get pulled over in urban areas are already known by the police and have had run ins with the law because they are wrapped up in a myriad of illegal activity.

Look at the antithetical way pot is perceived in the white hippy culture of the 60s (Peace, love) versus the black urban culture (the movie Friday comes to mind).

Get rid of violence and you will reduce the police presence and thus reduce the rates at which blacks encounter police. Period. What specifically are YOU doing to help with that? Personally, I've been taking my cracker ass to urban areas every week for the past 11 years to work with kids and youth to help them make decisions that will be fruitful for their lives.

You are the problem. Unfortunately there are too many who will not take ownership and simply look for reasons to blame others for their problems. Knoxville is fortunate to have a few like Darryl Arnold who are meeting these things head on, taking ownership, and working with law enforcement to foster progress and change.
 
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LouderVol said:
ever hear of the golden rule? I bet it applies here. Treat others like you want to be treated. Put good in, get good out, etc etc.

going into hyperbole here:

Situation 1: Cop walking down the street says hello, person says hello back. nothing happens.

Situation 2: Cop walking down the street says hello, person says "F off pig", person gets stopped and searched.

Is it more understandable that situation two resulted in a stop & search? (remember hyperbole and no real persons writes were violated just answer the question and this isn't a question about what is appropriate reason for a cop to stop and search someone)

I don't think its a racist thing (skin color) so much as reactionary (even if not justified).

and even after living in Atlanta, Baltimore is a whole different world.
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when i was in the Navy, i had to drive to LA to ship my car overseas. i took the train back to san diego. i went to ask a police man where the train station was. as i was walking towards him some white dude walked by and asked him if it was halloween already while starring at him. the cop was black.

i asked him where the train station was and he asked me if i was from the south. i told him i was and i asked him if he recognized my accent. he said it wasn't the accent but the fact that i called him sir and said thank you. that really blew me away. this was in the 90's before we had all this anti-cop crap.
 
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joevol320 said:
when i was in the Navy, i had to drive to LA to ship my car overseas. i took the train back to san diego. i went to ask a police man where the train station was. as i was walking towards him some white dude walked by and asked him if it was halloween already while starring at him. the cop was black.

i asked him where the train station was and he asked me if i was from the south. i told him i was and i asked him if he recognized my accent. he said it wasn't the accent but the fact that i called him sir and said thank you. that really blew me away. this was in the 90's before we had all this anti-cop crap.
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Before the anti-cop crap? You don't recall LA and the police brutality issues? Rodney King? Seriously?

That 92 riot was one of the biggest in American history. Thousands injured, arrested, over 50 killed.
 
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