Ferguson Riots

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lawgator1 said:
Just like the Brown supporters should not assume that all white police officers are racially biased against them, neither should supporters of the police assume that all of the people showing up in the aftermath are rioters, versus peaceful protestors.

From the raw coverage I have seen, there seem to be many people out there who are just walking with signs, or hands up and chanting. They are not taunting the police or throwing things at them. And then there are some who don't utter a word about the Brown incident, but then antagonize the police.

As soon as the rioters start up, shockingly, that is where the cameras turn.
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and when dealing with delicate situations like this, a minority can ruin it for a majority.
 
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lawgator1 said:
We as observers have to resist the urge to characterize everyone there by a minute of video.
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I am. I'm not trying to characterize everyone. I'm just saying that because of the actions of a minority, a heavy handed police tactic may be needed to make sure the majority is able to display their grievances.
 
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rjd970 said:
No.

I mean the one done by this guy:

Michael Baden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

...not the bogus assistant.

See this:

Independent Autopsy Finds 'No Signs of Struggle' in Michael Brown Death - The Wire

Where Baden, the actual board certified forensic pathologist said:



I think a specific question should be asked what Browns hands/knuckles looked like. That could be huge.
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Punching soft tissue doesnt always leave a mark. Hitting the officer in the mouth might, but a punch to the cheek area may not. He also could have sustained the orbital bone fracture from his face being slammed into something inside his cruiser. If you've ever been in a fight you know that blows dont always come with a conventional closed hand punch.
 
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AG Eric Holder says that someone will be held accountable.....who that's directed at I don't know. But when has this Administration held anybody accountable. I guess this means that someone will get a big promotion from this or just moved around to another Dept.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
AG Eric Holder says that someone will be held accountable.....who that's directed at I don't know. But when has this Administration held anybody accountable. I guess this means that someone will get a big promotion from this or just moved around to another Dept.
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Was he talking about Ferguson or the ISIS member who killed the journalist?
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
AG Eric Holder says that someone will be held accountable.....who that's directed at I don't know. But when has this Administration held anybody accountable. I guess this means that someone will get a big promotion from this or just moved around to another Dept.
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Holder and Gov. Nixon have already convicted Wilson. Did you hear Nixon's speech?

Governor Jay Nixon is calling for a "vigorous prosecution" of the officer who shot Michael Brown even before a grand jury has been convened.
 
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AirVol said:
Holder and Gov. Nixon have already convicted Wilson. Did you hear Nixon's speech?

Governor Jay Nixon is calling for a "vigorous prosecution" of the officer who shot Michael Brown even before a grand jury has been convened.
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Is he up for reelection ?
 
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Grand Vol said:
I don't disagree.

However, this was discussed at one point and whether or not they can get the talent is the central problem.
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The talent is there, but they would have to change the recruiting system that currently filters out talented but imperfect candidates.
 
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AirVol said:
Holder and Gov. Nixon have already convicted Wilson. Did you hear Nixon's speech?

Governor Jay Nixon is calling for a "vigorous prosecution" of the officer who shot Michael Brown even before a grand jury has been convened.
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Nixon is a political hack that is getting pressure from the lawmakers (funny enough) in his state that demand he stand trial no matter the evidence and decision of the grand jury.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Nixon is a political hack that is getting pressure from the lawmakers (funny enough) in his state that demand he stand trial no matter the evidence and decision of the grand jury.
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Nixon appointed Robert McCullough as special prosecutor, and Brown's family lawyer and others are furious because McCullough may be partial to LE, since a lot of his family members are/was LE.

Nixon is feeling some heat, for sure.
 
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AirVol said:
Nixon appointed Robert McCullough as special prosecutor, and Brown's family lawyer and others are furious because McCullough may be partial to LE, since a lot of his family members are/was LE.

Nixon is feeling some heat, for sure.
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Why is there a need for a prosecutor at this point?
 
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BeecherVol said:
I am curious, what exactly was Holder going to Ferguson to try an accomplish in your mind?
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One of the issues raised by the community leaders and protestors was their distrust of the local authorities. The additional autopsy by the DOJ and their promise to keep an eye on the investigation addresses those concerns.

Hey, it works both ways. It seems to me that one of the main things that has slowed down the Brown supporters/police bashers is the fact that the autopsy results show he was not shot in the back. This is important for many obvious reasons, not the least of which is that it immediately calls into question the accuracy of the friend's description of what occurred.

Can you imagine what would have happened had only the local autopsy been done, showing no shots in the back? The rioters would be claiming that it was faked, a cover-up. With DOJ doing one, with Baden doing one, and showing the same thing, it just gets us all past at least the one side-show issue.

And, as I say, it makes you question the friend's account, since he is evidently objectively proven wrong by this result. Holder going down there buttresses the fact of oversight from the outside, and removes just one more issue from the dispassionate and reasoned approach that must be taken to the evidence as it emerges.
 
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lawgator1 said:
One of the issues raised by the community leaders and protestors was their distrust of the local authorities. The additional autopsy by the DOJ and their promise to keep an eye on the investigation addresses those concerns.

Hey, it works both ways. It seems to me that one of the main things that has slowed down the Brown supporters/police bashers is the fact that the autopsy results show he was not shot in the back. This is important for many obvious reasons, not the least of which is that it immediately calls into question the accuracy of the friend's description of what occurred.

Can you imagine what would have happened had only the local autopsy been done, showing no shots in the back? The rioters would be claiming that it was faked, a cover-up. With DOJ doing one, with Baden doing one, and showing the same thing, it just gets us all past at least the one side-show issue.

And, as I say, it makes you question the friend's account, since he is evidently objectively proven wrong by this result. Holder going down there buttresses the fact of oversight from the outside, and removes just one more issue from the dispassionate and reasoned approach that must be taken to the evidence as it emerges.
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Ot, are you gonna represent the Orlando cop that shot that woman downtown the other night?
 
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FLVOL69 said:
Ot, are you gonna represent the Orlando cop that shot that woman downtown the other night?
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No, OPD is in-house. Hopefully, their attorneys realize that its not a legally viable Fourth Amendment claim, its a negligence case, and that has certain repercussions on the lawsuit's sustainability.
 
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lawgator1 said:
One of the issues raised by the community leaders and protestors was their distrust of the local authorities. The additional autopsy by the DOJ and their promise to keep an eye on the investigation addresses those concerns.

So basically if the local authorities (specifically the grand jury at this point) take the evidence and see no good reason to go to trial everyone is gonna walk away satisfied because Holder come down from DC and restored trust? Is it that easy? "Hey Mr. President, Im not sure I can trust the local authorities here in ________, can you send the AG in?

Hey, it works both ways. It seems to me that one of the main things that has slowed down the Brown supporters/police bashers is the fact that the autopsy results show he was not shot in the back. This is important for many obvious reasons, not the least of which is that it immediately calls into question the accuracy of the friend's description of what occurred.

True. At this point however the discussion has changed from "he got shot in the back while running away" to "6 shots? 2 in the head?". I believe it will move to something else later on.

Can you imagine what would have happened had only the local autopsy been done, showing no shots in the back? The rioters would be claiming that it was faked, a cover-up. With DOJ doing one, with Baden doing one, and showing the same thing, it just gets us all past at least the one side-show issue.


And, as I say, it makes you question the friend's account, since he is evidently objectively proven wrong by this result. Holder going down there buttresses the fact of oversight from the outside, and removes just one more issue from the dispassionate and reasoned approach that must be taken to the evidence as it emerges.
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Big picture, it undermines local authorities even more IMO. Those that have Wilson convicted at this point will not be satisfied unless he is executed or sentenced to life, regardless of the facts. The feel good gesture by Obama and Holder will wear off if it doesn't go either of those 2 ways.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Big picture, it undermines local authorities even more IMO. Those that have Wilson convicted at this point will not be satisfied unless he is executed or sentenced to life, regardless of the facts. The feel good gesture by Obama and Holder will wear off if it doesn't go either of those 2 ways.
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Yes it does. And for those who have "distrust of the local authorities", was there any evidence or actual reasons provided to support the distrust? I'm asking because I haven't completely kept up with everything going on.

From what I have seen, however, those who might claim distrust (note: not trying to lump everyone into the same category here, but thinking of the Brown's attorney, Sharpton, and a few others) have been the ones who have fabricated, or at least largely embellished, the actual facts that are now being reported.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Yes it does. And for those who have "distrust of the local authorities", was there any evidence or actual reasons provided to support the distrust? I'm asking because I haven't completely kept up with everything going on.

From what I have seen, however, those who might claim distrust (note: not trying to lump everyone into the same category here, but thinking of the Brown's attorney, Sharpton, and a few others) have been the ones who have fabricated, or at least largely embellished, the actual facts that are now being reported.
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They white folks.
 
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