Ferguson Riots

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n_huffhines said:
I know why I would want him to.
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It would be nice if there was a referee with a bullhorn screaming after every round, but seriously our bodies are just wired to turn unnecessary stuff off when we go into stressful situations. Like when your nuts suck up just before the crap hits the fan, you dont control that it just happens.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It really depends on how far he was, but have you seen the kid? His arms aren't 6" fcm. I'm 200 lbs and my arms are more than 6" fcm.
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Let's do an exercise.

Stand up. Move your arms in a motion like you are running.

How far is your upper arm from your chest?

Mine is maybe 2 inches from my chest, so I'm not sure I agree.

I mean, maybe he's running at the dude like he's gonna give him a bear hug, but I doubt that.
 
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7thgroupvolfan said:
As much as you would like to hear a cool war story and all like most other people. I dont discuss things like that with anybody. You may or may not understand that.
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The point I was trying to make is no amount of training prepares you for when bullets fly &/or you know your life is actually in danger. I just assumed you would know that. Engaging a person from 5 meters is different than 50 meters. Aiming center mass isn't your first priority under the gun.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You bring up an interesting question....how bad of a shot is he, or how far away was the victim? If he's right on top of him assaulting him, then you'd expect poor accuracy. But there's no gun powder on him. So you have to decide that either he's a terrible shot or that Brown was far enough away that it will be hard to claim a justified shooting.
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Not being an ass when I post this, but check out the Tueller Drill.

Tueller Drill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

21 feet is the minimum safe distance.
 
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n_huffhines said:
To you that might make shooting 6 times justified. I don't think most people would think that.
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As discussed before in the thread (not sure if you were involved at that point), most departments are taught to double tap and some to triple tap. That's two shots center mass and/or the final to the head. And that's done until the target stops being a threat. And as stated before, sometimes it takes one shot, sometimes it takes an entire magazine.

The wound patterns indicate he was shooting wildly but managed to get a lucky hit.
 
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Grand Vol said:
As discussed before in the thread (not sure if you were involved at that point), most departments are taught to double tap and some to triple tap. That's two shots center mass and/or the final to the head. And that's done until the target stops being a threat. And as stated before, sometimes it takes one shot, sometimes it takes an entire magazine.

The wound patterns indicate he was shooting wildly but managed to get a lucky hit.
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Not an expert and never will claim to be but would that be an indication of the brain kicking into fight or flight?
 
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CNCVol88 said:
Not an expert and never will claim to be but would that be an indication of the brain kicking into fight or flight?
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Tim and the other cops on here would probably agree that most LEOs don't get enough formal training with their firearms and many only shoot the required qualification course per year. Not very often that you find LEOs that go above and beyond save those that enjoy it or their job requires it.

So it very well could be the officer falling back on the training received of double/triple tap. You never rise to the occasion, but rather fall to your lowest level of training.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Why would you feel like an ass for posting this? It's good info. :good!:
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Because it does contradict what you posted earlier.

The 21 feet is a pretty general guideline. Sometimes it's more, sometimes it can be less. And a lot of other factors are taken into account. Size of the suspect, size of the officer, potential for harm to the officer. It's all lumped into what's called risk perception. And that's what everyone is ignoring in this entire situation.

I can flat guarantee you a 300 pound 6-4 man comes running at you, the risk perception will certainly be high.
 
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govols/cc said:
The point I was trying to make is no amount of training prepares you for when bullets fly &/or you know your life is actually in danger. I just assumed you would know that. Engaging a person from 5 meters is different than 50 meters. Aiming center mass isn't your first priority under the gun.
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Do you know what happens to your body when bullets are whizzing by you head? You could crap out a pearl turd. Thats why you train train and train some more, battle drills so it feels as easy as wiping your azz. You dont think about it, you just do it naturally.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Hoegaarden...:sick:
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And don't think this didn't go unnoticed.

I can't help it if you don't appreciate the finer things in life. Like getting a glass of Hoegaarden straight from the vat at the original brewery in Belgium.

It was only 45 minutes away from where I was at in Germany. And I took the tour...a couple of times.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Because it does contradict what you posted earlier.

The 21 feet is a pretty general guideline. Sometimes it's more, sometimes it can be less. And a lot of other factors are taken into account. Size of the suspect, size of the officer, potential for harm to the officer. It's all lumped into what's called risk perception. And that's what everyone is ignoring in this entire situation.

I can flat guarantee you a 300 pound 6-4 man comes running at you, the risk perception will certainly be high.
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But all I'm interested in is the truth, so I appreciate it. I think that info helps me understand the situation better, but it is a little different. I think in the hypothetical we said he was nearly twice the distance, and unarmed. Yeah he's a big man, but that just means he moves slower and from that distance 6 shots might seem a little excessive.

We are also assuming he only took 6 shots, right? We know how many times he he hit him. Do we know how many shots he actually took?
 
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govols/cc said:
The point I was trying to make is no amount of training prepares you for when bullets fly &/or you know your life is actually in danger. I just assumed you would know that. Engaging a person from 5 meters is different than 50 meters. Aiming center mass isn't your first priority under the gun.
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Continuous training and LF exercises.

Muscle memory can be a life saver in this scenario.
 
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