Ferguson Riots

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#576
When is a black man going to get his face on tv and tell those idiots that they are making it hard on good black people and to stop acting like idiots while feeding stereotypes.
Why won't that happen. Idiocy is idiocy, regardless of color but black leaders need to step the **** up. Tired of them just making it worse.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
When is a black man going to get his face on tv and tell those idiots that they are making it hard on good black people and to stop acting like idiots while feeding stereotypes.
Why won't that happen. Idiocy is idiocy, regardless of color but black leaders need to step the **** up. Tired of them just making it worse.
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Because the ones calling for calm doesn't make good news. And good news is police and protesters clashing in the streets.

There are several of them that have called for it. But the media won't report it since violence increases ratings.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
When is a black man going to get his face on tv and tell those idiots that they are making it hard on good black people and to stop acting like idiots while feeding stereotypes.
Why won't that happen. Idiocy is idiocy, regardless of color but black leaders need to step the **** up. Tired of them just making it worse.
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Allen West has done just that on Facebook. I don't watch mainstream news, but would not be surprised if he has done (or soon does) so on Fox News.
 
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They just said the Governor of Missouri has ordered the St. Louis County Police Department to be pulled out of Ferguson.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Because the ones calling for calm doesn't make good news. And good news is police and protesters clashing in the streets.

There are several of them that have called for it. But the media won't report it since violence increases ratings.
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Called for it? Walk down there in the middle of it and demand it. Show some leadership and smarts. And some guts to speak the truth and still try to make sure justice is served if it is deserved. People talk about racism all the time but it's all talk on the leaders sides and none of them do anything to stop it. Words are easy.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
When is a black man going to get his face on tv and tell those idiots that they are making it hard on good black people and to stop acting like idiots while feeding stereotypes.
Why won't that happen. Idiocy is idiocy, regardless of color but black leaders need to step the **** up. Tired of them just making it worse.
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They won't interview someone like that, doesn't make for good ratings. Media is just as much to blame
 
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Grand Vol said:
Here's the problem though (not that I don't agree with the majority of your post) with the last paragraph in particular. Having been in a good number of riots and protests on the police and security side, you can have hundreds or thousands of peaceful protesters that want to have their voice heard and I completely agree with that based on the 1st Amendment principle. However...

Certain groups will infiltrate these peaceful protests in hopes of causing trouble. One in particular was a protest about the Iraq War in 2003 before it started. A group was sent in from California to Colorado Springs with the specific purpose of antagonizing the police/security and causing an overreaction. Or causing vandalism such as arson which in turn forces police to overreact to the situation and issue a cease and desist order for what would otherwise be a peaceful and lawful protest. And furthermore, with emotions typically running high in these situation, can cause some, and even possibly a good number, of the crowd to follow in their antagonistic behavior. And again, causing overreaction by police on the innocent protesters that get caught in the mix. In some locations, these individuals were identified and removed from the equation, but in others, it caused the entire protest to get broken up. And I'll tell you there is only one sure way of getting protests broken up. So they accomplished their goal of forcing a police overreaction which can be pointed to as "Fascist State coming to get you" and quelling the voices of the People that just wanted their displeasure with the government actions heard.

So the problem is twofold. One, police/security realizing that not everyone in the crowd is a part of the antagonistic behavior and attempting to separate the troublemakers from the group. Second on the crowd itself to identify the troublemakers and keep them out. Neither of which is easy to do since the first would mean the police get to wade into the crowd to try to pull someone out (and that doesn't work as it incites the normally peaceful crowd to take the next step into violence, I know from personal experience) as well as many LTL munitions aren't exactly what we would describe as long range nor accurate at range. And on the protesters side identifying a half dozen troublemakers out of a few hundred or more random faces that showed up to make their voice heard is impossible to do.

Again, I fully support anyone who wants to protest and have their voice heard as it's a 1st Amendment Right to lawfully gather and do so. I don't think people need a permit to do so or approval from the government. As long as they are not causing the general public harm or impeding their daily lives (like blocking traffic) I think they have every right to gather for that purpose. But when the actions of the few put the crowd, the general public and law enforcement at risk through actions designed to cause anarchy and increase the force levels used and most importantly starts getting the crowd to follow in their unlawful behavior, the situation doesn't have an easy solution.

Good post BTW.
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I get what your saying, but pictures coming out of Ferguson are showing a disturbing trend of trying to silence reporters doing nothing more than reporting.

What is the point of firing tear gas at the press filming? Doesn't look like anyone is around in these photos, just camera men and reporters....

https://twitter.com/CassFM/status/499800133174063104/photo/1

And after running they are tearing down the equipment? WTF?

Furthermore, you have journalists enjoying a big mac one second, being hauled off to jail the second..

Journalists covering Michael Brown shooting arrested - CNN.com

Wesley Lowery of The Washington Post and Ryan J. Reilly of The Huffington Post said on Twitter that they were arrested while they were doing work and then released within roughly 45 minutes. Neither was charged.

"This was very unnecessary," Lowery said in a telephone interview. He said he was never told why he and Reilly were detained, except that they were "trespassing" by being inside the fast-food restaurant.
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Martin Baron, the executive editor of The Washington Post, said in a statement Wednesday night that "there was absolutely no justification" for Lowery's arrest.

Baron noted that the reporter was "illegally instructed to stop taking video of officers. Then he followed officers' instructions to leave a McDonald's -- and after contradictory instructions on how to exit, he was slammed against a soda machine and then handcuffed. That behavior was wholly unwarranted and an assault on the freedom of the press to cover the news."
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Contrary to what the police may think, there is absolutely, positively, nothing illegal at all with filming them, or taking pictures.

This kind of behavior is unnecessary, making the problem worse, looks bad, a direct violation of first amendment rights, and even the most ardent police defenders on here should be condemning it.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Called for it? Walk down there in the middle of it and demand it. Show some leadership and smarts. And some guts to speak the truth and still try to make sure justice is served if it is deserved. People talk about racism all the time but it's all talk on the leaders sides and none of them do anything to stop it. Words are easy.
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And again, people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would be out of a job if they can't get on the news and scream about the racism in this country. And the news would lose viewers since they don't have commentators to stir the trouble pot.

Until the masses (and that's a general term as all groups have those "leaders" that incite trouble) throw these people out as speaking for them, you will continue to have trouble. Because there will always be simpletons in every race, religion, national origin, creed or sex that blindly follow the troublemakers without ever questioning the motives. Or do so because they want to cause trouble themselves.
 
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Obsessed said:
Why would this be done?
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I think St. Louis County has been the agency in charge of the police operation and the Governor feels he has to finally respond due to the massive outcry. Not to mention arresting and harassing journalists and arresting an alderman doesn't look good right now. My guess is he orders Missouri Highway Patrol to take over as the lead force.
 
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rjd970 said:
I get what your saying, but pictures coming out of Ferguson are showing a disturbing trend of trying to silence reporters doing nothing more than reporting.

What is the point of firing tear gas at the press filming? Doesn't look like anyone is around in these photos, just camera men and reporters....

https://twitter.com/CassFM/status/499800133174063104/photo/1

And after running they are tearing down the equipment? WTF?

Furthermore, you have journalists enjoying a big mac one second, being hauled off to jail the second..

Journalists covering Michael Brown shooting arrested - CNN.com

Contrary to what the police may think, there is absolutely, positively, nothing illegal at all with filming them, or taking pictures.

This kind of behavior is unnecessary, making the problem worse, looks bad, a direct violation of first amendment rights, and even the most ardent police defenders on here should be condemning it.
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You did recognize my post as being non-biased in either direction, right? Because police overreaction can also cause normal crowds to resort to violence as well. (race marches of the 50s and 60s for example)

Stop automatically assuming I'm defending the cops in the Ferguson situation. I was replying to LG's post and the last paragraph in particular.
 
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#599
So I haven't really followed this story, so my first question is. Did the police really shoot an unarmed kid who was just standing there with his arms in the air?
 
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