Ferguson Riots

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UTBasketball2 said:
No Fly Zones, armored vehicles in the streets, SWAT teams pointing assault rifles at peaceful protesters, journalists getting arrested for taking pictures....
Is Ferguson in America or Syria? Jesus Christ. The police are just as out of control as the rioters were a few nights ago. This is unacceptable.
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I dunno. Let's ask the Thieving Arsonists.
 
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UTBasketball2 said:
No Fly Zones, armored vehicles in the streets, SWAT teams pointing assault rifles at peaceful protesters, journalists getting arrested for taking pictures....
Is Ferguson in America or Syria? Jesus Christ. The police are just as out of control as the rioters were a few nights ago. This is unacceptable.
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Peaceful? Let be bash in your living room window and take all your sh! t. Call it peaceful protesting, brah.
 
#557
#557
Now Ferguson PD is holding an Alderman of St. Louis who has been apart of, and reporting, the protests since it started. Also Obama is finally being briefed tonight about what's going on as well. I think a lot of people will be losing their jobs once this is over.
 
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#559
Sad truth is you can have 200 peaceful protesters and all it takes is for one person to join the protest who throws a rock and makes the police react to the entire crowd.
 
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And you can have a lot of azzhole opportunists hell bent on breaking and stealing stuff under the guise of "protest."
 
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7thgroupvolfan said:
Peaceful? Let be bash in your living room window and take all your sh! t. Call it peaceful protesting, brah.
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Meh. They re just venting their frustration. Its worth your windows and valuables to make those feel better that are not really affiliated with the situation other than by address.
 
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7thgroupvolfan said:
Peaceful? Let be bash in your living room window and take all your sh! t. Call it peaceful protesting, brah.
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Still doesn't mean we need to continue to militarize our police forces. That wont do anything but bring the sort of images you see on TV of tanks rolling through some neighborhood overseas home for you to see live.
 
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7thgroupvolfan said:
Get me behind a .50 cal MG with obsessed on the 240B 7.62 cal in the back of an RG-33 vehicle.....riot
ova.

Oh....Imma need about 2000 rds and 3 spare barrels. TIA
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Hey. I'll mow them down. I'd rather have that gun that Rambo uses in the last movie. The one that he used that was punching holes in that attack boat.
 
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WooPigSooie said:
Still doesn't mean we need to continue to militarize our police forces. That wont do anything but bring the sort of images you see on TV of tanks rolling through some neighborhood overseas home for you to see live.
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Mmm Dat fear mongering too strong.
 
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#568
We've yet to evolve into a community that gets things done peacefully. That's why the states will continue to look at us like a problem, it's just the way it is.

A drug dealer gets locked up for 3 counts of murder for a drive by, we wear T shirts that says "Free Him"

A unarmed kid gets shot by police, we riot and cause mayhem. We've taken all attention off of how we can have justice served and help the family grieve.

Completely ass backwards and nothing will change until that stupid mentality changes
 
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UTBasketball2 said:
No Fly Zones, armored vehicles in the streets, SWAT teams pointing assault rifles at peaceful protesters, journalists getting arrested for taking pictures....
Is Ferguson in America or Syria? Jesus Christ. The police are just as out of control as the rioters were a few nights ago. This is unacceptable.
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As one of the resident progressives, I offer the following:

1) I heard these "reporters" on the news last night. They were on the phone with MSNBC, Lawrence O'Donnell. The first one who called in had been arrested at a McDonald's. And at first it was being reported he got arrested "because he wouldn't leave "fast enough."

This made it sound as though he was there reporting on the riots, and had just been caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that the police were heavy handed.

As the discussion went on, however, it came out from the reporter that he was there charging his laptop, and sending up a story. Police came in and said everyone had to leave because they couldn't protect them. Clearly, the concern was that the business was susceptible to attack.

The reporter then said he was given a count down to leave, and that he refused. That he also refused to provide identification to the police ot prove he was a reporter and "might have gotten a little bit of an attitude with them."

Folks, first of all, if there is an emergency situation you don't get an attitude and delay the police in doing their job. There is no reason for that here. They are trying to save people's lives and this guy has to slow them down with his self-importance.

Second, once you do that, you are no longer a reporter. This guy was antagonizing the police, when there was no reason to do so. In my view, he gave up whatever First Amendment cloak he had and in fact invited it.

2) The police have two choices here.

If they do not respond as they have and try to maintain calm and order, they would be criticized by all the non-protesting residents for letting the rioters burn down their homes and businesses, and steal their belongings.

If they respond with what is perceived as too much of a forceful presence, they end up putting pressure on the rioters, make them feel trapped, and basically just feed the perception of the black community that they are being mistreated.

Hopefully, some kind of arrangement can be reached to have a peaceful show of support for the young man and his family, done in a constructive manner, that allows the community to vent its anger and resentment, but doesn't force the police to respond in such a heavy handed manner.
 
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lawgator1 said:
As one of the resident progressives, I offer the following:

1) I heard these "reporters" on the news last night. They were on the phone with MSNBC, Lawrence O'Donnell. The first one who called in had been arrested at a McDonald's. And at first it was being reported he got arrested "because he wouldn't leave "fast enough."

This made it sound as though he was there reporting on the riots, and had just been caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that the police were heavy handed.

As the discussion went on, however, it came out from the reporter that he was there charging his laptop, and sending up a story. Police came in and said everyone had to leave because they couldn't protect them. Clearly, the concern was that the business was susceptible to attack.

The reporter then said he was given a count down to leave, and that he refused. That he also refused to provide identification to the police ot prove he was a reporter and "might have gotten a little bit of an attitude with them."

Folks, first of all, if there is an emergency situation you don't get an attitude and delay the police in doing their job. There is no reason for that here. They are trying to save people's lives and this guy has to slow them down with his self-importance.

Second, once you do that, you are no longer a reporter. This guy was antagonizing the police, when there was no reason to do so. In my view, he gave up whatever First Amendment cloak he had and in fact invited it.

2) The police have two choices here.

If they do not respond as they have and try to maintain calm and order, they would be criticized by all the non-protesting residents for letting the rioters burn down their homes and businesses, and steal their belongings.

If they respond with what is perceived as too much of a forceful presence, they end up putting pressure on the rioters, make them feel trapped, and basically just feed the perception of the black community that they are being mistreated.

Hopefully, some kind of arrangement can be reached to have a peaceful show of support for the young man and his family, done in a constructive manner, that allows the community to vent its anger and resentment, but doesn't force the police to respond in such a heavy handed manner.
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Who hacked LG's account? I actually agree with something he said.
 
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As someone who got his undergraduate degree in journalism, and worked in the field for a brief period of time, I am appalled at the state of affairs where both left and right designate activists as "reporters," and have them get personally involved in incidents.

Both do it. I hate it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
As one of the resident progressives, I offer the following:

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Hopefully, some kind of arrangement can be reached to have a peaceful show of support for the young man and his family, done in a constructive manner, that allows the community to vent its anger and resentment, but doesn't force the police to respond in such a heavy handed manner.
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Here's the problem though (not that I don't agree with the majority of your post) with the last paragraph in particular. Having been in a good number of riots and protests on the police and security side, you can have hundreds or thousands of peaceful protesters that want to have their voice heard and I completely agree with that based on the 1st Amendment principle. However...

Certain groups will infiltrate these peaceful protests in hopes of causing trouble. One in particular was a protest about the Iraq War in 2003 before it started. A group was sent in from California to Colorado Springs with the specific purpose of antagonizing the police/security and causing an overreaction. Or causing vandalism such as arson which in turn forces police to overreact to the situation and issue a cease and desist order for what would otherwise be a peaceful and lawful protest. And furthermore, with emotions typically running high in these situation, can cause some, and even possibly a good number, of the crowd to follow in their antagonistic behavior. And again, causing overreaction by police on the innocent protesters that get caught in the mix. In some locations, these individuals were identified and removed from the equation, but in others, it caused the entire protest to get broken up. And I'll tell you there is only one sure way of getting protests broken up. So they accomplished their goal of forcing a police overreaction which can be pointed to as "Fascist State coming to get you" and quelling the voices of the People that just wanted their displeasure with the government actions heard.

So the problem is twofold. One, police/security realizing that not everyone in the crowd is a part of the antagonistic behavior and attempting to separate the troublemakers from the group. Second on the crowd itself to identify the troublemakers and keep them out. Neither of which is easy to do since the first would mean the police get to wade into the crowd to try to pull someone out (and that doesn't work as it incites the normally peaceful crowd to take the next step into violence, I know from personal experience) as well as many LTL munitions aren't exactly what we would describe as long range nor accurate at range. And on the protesters side identifying a half dozen troublemakers out of a few hundred or more random faces that showed up to make their voice heard is impossible to do.

Again, I fully support anyone who wants to protest and have their voice heard as it's a 1st Amendment Right to lawfully gather and do so. I don't think people need a permit to do so or approval from the government. As long as they are not causing the general public harm or impeding their daily lives (like blocking traffic) I think they have every right to gather for that purpose. But when the actions of the few put the crowd, the general public and law enforcement at risk through actions designed to cause anarchy and increase the force levels used and most importantly starts getting the crowd to follow in their unlawful behavior, the situation doesn't have an easy solution.

Good post BTW.
 
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