Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

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volinbham said:
Democrats: "we don't trust the police but we trust the FBI"
Republicans: "we don't trust the FBI but we trust the police"
Me: ummmm
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The Left hated the FBI until they controlled them. FBI has a long history of abuses. They have always been a sh1t stain organization. I know a lot on the right like them or did like them, but I've never been a fan. They are an organization whose juice isnt worth the squeeze.
 
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volgr said:
Listen to the rhetoric. Constantly repeating buzz words Top secret, sensitive, our most treasured secrets etc. Not once do they tell you the Executive is the ultimate arbiter of classification. Which would be, you know, much more useful information than breathless speculation and rhetoric. This is the very definition of fake news This is why our media has become an enemy to the people.
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Again, the classification doesn’t matter. He took them with him to his personal residence. The CiC has a ton of power, but even he can’t take that stuff home.
 
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volinbham said:
Democrats: "we don't trust the police but we trust the FBI"
Republicans: "we don't trust the FBI but we trust the police"
Me: ummmm
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That is a valid point indeed . I think it’s even more odd than that because , the Rs don’t trust the management of the FBI and the D’s don’t trust the union workers of the police .
 
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volgr said:
The Left hated the FBI until they controlled them. FBI has a long history of abuses. They have always been a sh1t stain organization. I know a lot on the right like them or did like them, but I've never been a fan. They are an organization whose juice isnt worth the squeeze.
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If the FBI is as dysfunctional and abusive as it’s being projected by the right, why hasn’t there been a circlejerk thread created here going over all of their misdeeds? I mean, surely there must be tons of examples to spread around.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
If the FBI is as dysfunctional and abusive as it’s being projected by the right, why hasn’t there been a circlejerk thread created here going over all of their misdeeds? I mean, surely there must be tons of examples to spread around.
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There is one .. it’s the Russian investigation thread . You can see every thing that was exposed about their inner working , in there .
 
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0nelilreb said:
There is one .. it’s the Russian investigation thread . You can see every thing that was exposed about their inner working , in there .
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It seems as though the FBI is just another boogeyman created by the MAGAs to deflect blame from their guy. And oddly enough, they are only used as a boogeyman when it comes to Trump and investigations.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
It seems as though the FBI is just another boogeyman created by the MAGAs to deflect blame from their guy. And oddly enough, they are only used as a boogeyman when it comes to Trump and investigations.
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It’s more likely that at this point you are either trolling or just don’t bother with history . J Edgar enters the conversation to say hi ..

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GoBigOrangeUT said:
It seems as though the FBI is just another boogeyman created by the MAGAs to deflect blame from their guy. And oddly enough, they are only used as a boogeyman when it comes to Trump and investigations.
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That is one of the more ignorant statements you have made.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Again, the classification doesn’t matter. He took them with him to his personal residence. The CiC has a ton of power, but even he can’t take that stuff home.
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PolitiFact - Could Trump argue he declassified the documents found in the Mar-a-Lago search?
The president, as commander in chief, is ultimately responsible for classification and declassification. When people lower in the chain of command handle classification and declassification duties — which is usually how it’s done — it’s because they have been delegated to do so by the president directly, or by an appointee chosen by the president.

The majority ruling in the 1988 Supreme Court case Department of Navy v. Egan — which involved the legal recourse of a Navy employee who had been denied a security clearance — addresses this line of authority.

"The president, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States’" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court’s majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the president, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."

Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, told PolitiFact in 2017 that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."

Robert F. Turner, associate director of the University of Virginia's Center for National Security Law, told us in 2017 that "if Congress were to enact a statute seeking to limit the president’s authority to classify or declassify national security information, or to prohibit him from sharing certain kinds of information … it would raise serious separation of powers constitutional issues."

The official documents governing classification and declassification stem from presidential executive orders. But even these executive orders aren’t necessarily binding on a president. The president is not "obliged to follow any procedures other than those that he himself has prescribed," Aftergood said. "And he can change those."

The situation recalls the "infamous comment" by President Richard Nixon that "when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal." But national-security specialists at the blog Lawfare wrote that this "is actually true about some things. Classified information is one of them. The nature of the system is that the president gets to disclose what he wants."

If a president’s appointees disagree with those actions, the president "can overrule their decisions," Turner said. "Within the executive branch, the president is the boss."
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
They did. It was itemized in the warrant that was released.
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No, they did not give a specific, detailed inventory. I would think they only gave the one they gave until they could actually inventory the boxes. At any rate, the lack of specific details in that inventory will be used by Trump’s lawyers to get the search warrant thrown out and they will stand a good chance of being successful. I have written, sworn to and executed too many search warrants to count. You can’t just list X number of boxes on the return.

Also, the affidavit must be narrow in scope, provide fresh information as to why you believe the items to be searched for will be in the locations you want to search and you can only search items or locations that could contain what you are searching for. For example, if you are searching for a rifle used in a homicide you cannot open and search a shoebox in a closet.
 
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el Jeffe said:
No, they did not give a specific, detailed inventory. I would think they only gave the one they gave until they could actually inventory the boxes. At any rate, the lack of specific details in that inventory will be used by Trump’s lawyers to get the search warrant thrown out and they will stand a good chance of being successful. I have written, sworn to and executed too many search warrants to count. You can’t just list X number of boxes on the return.

Also, the affidavit must be narrow in scope, provide fresh information as to why you believe the items to be searched for will be in the locations you want to search and you can only search items or locations that could contain what you are searching for. For example, if you are searching for a rifle used in a homicide you cannot open and search a shoebox in a closet.
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The damage is done. There is some criminal reason he took those materials and wouldn't give them back. The institution of the GOP has to come to terms with the fact that Trump is just toxic. Everything he touches is corrupted.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
If the FBI is as dysfunctional and abusive as it’s being projected by the right, why hasn’t there been a circlejerk thread created here going over all of their misdeeds? I mean, surely there must be tons of examples to spread around.
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There's plenty of discussion of it in the Russiagate thread, the Hillary email thread, the Whitmer "kidnapping plot" thread and some in threads about Larry Nassar.

Likewise there's many threads that recount misdeeds of the PoPo.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
How does this address him having the documents in his personal safe? I literally just said the classification doesn’t matter. He just can’t have them. They’re not his. Comprende?
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You're grasping for anything. It is really quite pathetic how much you are willing to stretch this to find anything. Your TDS is quite strong. He actually CAN have them. This is why the FBI came in June, made some recommendations and left.

 
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volinbham said:
There's plenty of discussion of it in the Russiagate thread, the Hillary email thread, the Whitmer "kidnapping plot" thread and some in threads about Larry Nassar.

Likewise there's many threads that recount misdeeds of the PoPo.
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Gotcha. I appreciate it.

It does seem odd that all of them are post-2016 and Trump is at least an ancillary character in all of them minus Larry Nassar.
 
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volgr said:
You're grasping for anything. It is really quite pathetic how much you are willing to stretch this to find anything. Your TDS is quite strong. He actually CAN have them. This is why the FBI came in June, made some recommendations and left.

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Lol. A safe in his office at his residence is not a sciff. You’re intentionally leaving out important details.
 
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Donald Trump's attorney demands to know why judge who signed warrant green-lighting FBI's Mar-a-Lago raid RECUSED himself from overseeing Trump's lawsuit against Hillary

Ex-president Donald Trump's go to personal lawyer Alina Habba has continued her offensive against officials who orchestrated the FBI's raid on Mar-a-Lago on Monday.

'They needed a little drama, so they throw this out there. They go to the judge that had recused himself in my Hillary case a month ago,' Habba told Fox News host Jesse Watters during an appearance Friday.

'I would like to know why he recused himself in that case, but then he was able to sign this warrant. I want to know that.'

Habba was referencing the fact that on June 22, magistrate Judge Bruce W. Reinhart recused himself from a lawsuit involving Trump and Hillary Clinton.

The 45th president is suing Clinton and other prominent Democrats over Russia collusion allegations.

Six weeks after that recusal, Judge Reinhart signed the warrant authorizing the feds to search Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate.

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Judge Bruce Reinhart has come under scrutiny for his past political opinions and work as a defense attorney

Trump's attorney wants to know why Judge Reinhart recused himself from Clinton lawsuit | Daily Mail Online
 
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