Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

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landscapingvol said:
Everyone should be defending Trump and the actions of the FBI, if they will do this to a sitting/former President worth hundreds of millions of dollars what do think they would do to an average person with no political power or money? The Left and the so called moderates on this board are fooling themselves if they think it couldn't or wouldn't happen to them
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They do it now, all the time.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Agreed on both. There has to be a way to fix it but I am not smart enough to know what it is.
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The only way to fix it is a revolution, but the country today doesn't have the same fortitude our Founding Fathers had. Most people don't see, or refuse to see, we're just serving a new king in the current federal government.
 
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Weezer said:
The only way to fix it is a revolution, but the country today doesn't have the same fortitude our Founding Fathers had. Most people don't see, or refuse to see, we're just serving a new king in the current federal government.
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I would argue we are in a soft revolution already. Really what democracy is..debate of ideas. Been this way for 240 years, we just see the sausage being made.
Just never seen the chasm so wide on policy and about which direction head.
Frankly the Feds have too much power is the problem IMO. Let states be states.
 
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So, which is more likely?

a) Trump goes to prison and is forbidden from ever running for public office

b) Libs soon discover they've been the butt of a troll job for the ages
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Maybe Trump busted out his favorite sharpie and scribbled NOT in front of CLASSIFIED on the documents.
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While I can actually see him doing this and laughing the more funny thing is if a document like that existed and a witness would state under oath they saw him do it there at least would be a paper trail and some conformation of said event to the point that I’d guess it’s gray enough to not resolve. I think it wood be a lousy way of doing things but oddly enough it might pass muster with as much authority as the chief executive has here 🤷‍♂️
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Go read the case you referenced. It even notes that all original classification authority rests with the President as head of the Executive Branch. Clearly that isn’t a manageable situation and thus the office delegates that authority to other agencies and his cabinet members. But original authority rests with the office of the President.
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Here is a YouTube video.

I realize that most of you will immediately be dismissive of it, because it's taken from "The Lawrence O'Donnell Show" on MSNBC, and he is a Trump-hating, devout liberal.





Between the :08 and the :50 second mark, a pundit named Bradley Moss, who is identified by a chyron as being a "National Security Attorney," states that documents pertaining to our own nuclear weapons would fall under a law known as "The Atomic Energy Act," and would therefore, have a separate classification regime, which Donald Trump could not declassify on his own. It is "The Atomic Energy Act" which is always cited by the pundits I see arguing that the President can't declassify nuclear secrets all by himself.

Now, once again, and by my own admission ... I know nothing about this. I'm not arguing with you. I'm merely posting information that conflicts (slightly) with what you are saying.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
So you’re saying a dude packing boxes probably wouldn’t be handling SCI material?
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Lol, I know you are smarter than that. Anyone who has access to the material has to have at minimum an equal or higher clearance than the material and to read or examine it a need to know.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Here is a YouTube video.

I realize that most of you will immediately be dismissive of it, because it's taken from "The Lawrence O'Donnell Show" on MSNBC, and he is Trump-hating, devout liberal.





Between the :40 and the :50 second mark, a pundit named Bradley Moss, who is identified by a chyron as being a "National Security Attorney," states that documents pertaining to our own nuclear weapons would fall under a law known as "The Atomic Energy Act," and would therefore, have a separate classification regime, which Donald Trump could not declassify on his own. It is the "The Atomic Energy Act" which is always cited by the pundits I see arguing that the President can't declassify nuclear secrets all by himself.

Now, once again, and by my own admission ... I know nothing about this. I'm not arguing with you. I'm merely posting information that conflicts (slightly) with what you are saying.
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It sounds like this person has an opinion but just that. Like I’ve said multiple times now that statement I provided is near verbatim since it was beaten into my head every year. I don’t claim to be an expert either but I’ll claim above lay person knowledge. And that persons opinion conflicts with the training I received for decades.
 
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el Jeffe said:
Lol, I know you are smarter than that. Anyone who has access to the material has to have at minimum an equal or higher clearance than the material and to read or examine it a need to know.
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Yep. Another common misconception getting abused today badly. To get access an individual must pass two checks A) a clearance at or above the subject matter (or in SCI clearance for that compartment since TS is as high as it gets) and B) the need to know.

As you probably know you could be cleared on a particular SAP/SAR and still be told to piss off on specific info if it’s deemed you don’t need to know 🤷‍♂️
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
While I can actually see him doing this and laughing the more funny thing is if a document like that existed and a witness would state under oath they saw him do it there at least would be a paper trail and some conformation of said event to the point that I’d guess it’s gray enough to not resolve. I think it wood be a lousy way of doing things but oddly enough it might pass muster with as much authority as the chief executive has here 🤷‍♂️
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No commas. Getting lazy old man.

My sail wind is diminishing..

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kiddiedoc said:
So, which is more likely?

a) Trump goes to prison and is forbidden from ever running for public office

b) Libs soon discover they've been the butt of a troll job for the ages
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C) this is will be drawn out in court and likely won’t have a conclusion in Trumps lifetime. And ultimately nothing comes of it because he’s dead.
 
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BreatheUT said:
I've been away from the computer. But oh they've gotten him this time. Lol...this is a witch hunt that they want to be legit.
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You could of been Hanks on a deserted island for 6 years in the Pacific, get back to Memphis, and nothing has changed.
 
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BreatheUT said:
I've been away from the computer. But oh they've gotten him this time. Lol...this is a witch hunt that they want to be legit.
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Reading through, the lefties are acting like a 14 year old who just got his hands on his first Playboy.

I mean, the current POTUS is a racist who absolutely was in business with his drug addict son and our enemies. The Clintons have had people killed. Jeffrey Epstein flew a number of politicians to his island to molest underage girls.

But Trump had kept some papers in his house and he needs to be executed.

LOL. In the end, the Libs are going to have the same feeling as that 14 year old after about 30- 45 seconds.
 
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