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#77
BruinVol said:
For all those that have blamed games on the QB for all these games here you go:





This game was lost when HB didn’t complete that wide open easy pass that would have at worse put us into scoring range and more importantly kept Florida off the field for the rest of the first half.


Score would have been at worst 10-10 or 14-10 us at half.



Damn you HB for losing this game
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Nope. If he's doing that as a 5th or even 2nd year player then your point becomes valid. If Pruitt had had the wisdom to make a change after UGA then you'd have a better point.
 
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Volhoops said:
The biggest problem with this team is the OFFENSE. The basics of football is you have to score more points than your opponents. When you average less than 20 points in power five football you are not going to win. The defense is not great but it is good enough to win.
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This year we have witnessed both the worst offense and the worst defense in UT history. We look like midget leaguers in the secondary. How a HC could still retain his job after this year should be featured on some type of “You can’t believe this happened unless you saw it” YouTube video series.
 
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Let's fire Pruitt and hire Coastal Carolina s coach , here are the reasons why.

1. He is from a small program and gets his kids to play hard.
2 He runs a spread run , quarterback option run offense. I'm sure it will be difficult to defend.
3 He will be able to lure recruits away from Clemson and South Carolina
4 Tennessee should be able to lock him in on a 6 yr 20 million dollar contract.

He is ripe for the picking.
 
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At the end of the day the no Int’s, sack fumbles and pick-6’s alone makes Bailey and Shrout an order of magnitude better than JG.

JG sits for a game and suddenly we see we have two competent choices at QB. The sad part is I bet JG still starts next week.
 
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901 Orange said:
Im not just talking about the Fla game im talking about all the games. We have a middle of the road defense. It aint horrible and it aint great its just an average defense. The offense is bottom of the entire country. U keep saying guys were open all over the field & we couldnt stop them yet they only had 24 points going into the 4th quater. U talking like they dropped 50. It was fla's 2nd lowest scoring output on the season.Thats a winnable game on any level of football. We have played 8 games and only 2 teams managed to get more then 30 points without the help of our offense. Thats bama & fla who both have high powered offenses. They both also have a heisman canidate at Qb. Our defense held everyone else to less then 30. Our offense is responsible for 5 defensive TD's & 5 more turnovers putting the opponent in scoring position. It aint the defense my friend. Our offense is just that bad.
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You're free to your opinion, but if you think we are playing defense well enough to be competitive at the top of the SEC, then we aren't going to find common ground. Trask threw for 433 yds and 4 TDs, and it could have been worse.

No argument, the offense sucks. Defense sucks, too, especially the pass defense. There is nothing average about it. It's a problem for a team with a defensive-minded head coach whose specialty is coaching the secondary.
 
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Ah, this actual thread is so much fluff. And by fluff I hope to evoke images of actual fluffers fluffing.

On a positive note... The title does a subliminal on me, and every time I scroll past it, with eyes rolling, I get mental conjurations of Terry Fair. Thanks for that, at least.

Remember guys like Terry Fair? Think of how good he was. And then think...he wasn't even the best player on that team. Not even top 3.

Imagine going from Fulmer directly to Pruitt. From 2008 to 2020. No Dooley, or Butch, in between.

Now understand how others have successfully managed your own expectations for you.
 
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cncchris33 said:
You're free to your opinion, but if you think we are playing defense well enough to be competitive at the top of the SEC, then we aren't going to find common ground. Trask threw for 433 yds and 4 TDs, and it could have been worse.

No argument, the offense sucks. Defense sucks, too, especially the pass defense. There is nothing average about it. It's a problem for a team with a defensive-minded head coach whose specialty is coaching the secondary.
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Man Trask threw 50 times he shoulda had 400 yards. There is no thinking to it i've seen us play defense well enough to compete in the SEC. Have u ever played football before?? Im not trying to be sarcastic i just want to know your level of knowledge when it comes to how each phase of the game affects the other. U continue to miss my point. We dnt have to be elite on defense to compete. Go look at the standings in the SEC. 4 of the top 5 offenses are at the top of the standings. 4 out of the bottom 5 offenses are at the bottom of the standings. Ole miss has the worse defense & best offense in the league. They got a .500 record. We dnt need an all world defense. I said we got a good enough defense to win with which we do if the offense does their part. This aint the 80's dude, u cant just roll out a top notch defense and expect to win a game 10-0. In today's game u better be able to put up 30-40 if u want to compete with the big boys simple as that. Teams that cant score cant win.
 
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901 Orange said:
Man Trask threw 50 times he shoulda had 400 yards. There is no thinking to it i've seen us play defense well enough to compete in the SEC. Have u ever played football before?? Im not trying to be sarcastic i just want to know your level of knowledge when it comes to how each phase of the game affects the other. U continue to miss my point. We dnt have to be elite on defense to compete. Go look at the standings in the SEC. 4 of the top 5 offenses are at the top of the standings. 4 out of the bottom 5 offenses are at the bottom of the standings. Ole miss has the worse defense & best offense in the league. They got a .500 record. We dnt need an all world defense. I said we got a good enough defense to win with which we do if the offense does their part. This aint the 80's dude, u cant just roll out a top notch defense and expect to win a game 10-0. In today's game u better be able to put up 30-40 if u want to compete with the big boys simple as that. Teams that cant score cant win.
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There is some irony in that sentence.

You continue to bang the table about our offense sucking as the the thesis of your argument. I've yet to disagree with that idea. You can't seemingly see the forest for the trees in this discussion, so we'll just agree to disagree, despite the fact that we both seemingly agree the offense sucks. 🤷‍♂️
 
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cncchris33 said:
There is some irony in that sentence.

You continue to bang the table about our offense sucking as the the thesis of your argument. I've yet to disagree with that idea. You can't seemingly see the forest for the trees in this discussion, so we'll just agree to disagree, despite the fact that we both seemingly agree the offense sucks. 🤷‍♂️
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i think the only thing we dnt agree on is how bad the defense is. Your stance is they suck. My stance is our defense is good enough to win with but our offense hurts our defense. We finally took care of the ball saturday but we had 9 empty possessions. When u punt 7 times, plus a kneel before the half, & have a turnover on downs u are going to have a hard time winning. We are 91st in the country in time of possession so u dnt need to "see the tree's", when common sense will tell you that the defense is on the field way too much. This is how stats get inflated. They barley have time to grab a gatorade bottle before they back on the field let alone make adjustments. If we had even an average offense we would be 5-3.
 
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#86
BruinVol said:
For all those that have blamed games on the QB for all these games here you go:





This game was lost when HB didn’t complete that wide open easy pass that would have at worse put us into scoring range and more importantly kept Florida off the field for the rest of the first half.


Score would have been at worst 10-10 or 14-10 us at half.



Damn you HB for losing this game
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I would rather have a freshman QB making freshman mistakes than a 5th year senior.
 
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901 Orange said:
i think the only thing we dnt agree on is how bad the defense is. Your stance is they suck. My stance is our defense is good enough to win with but our offense hurts our defense. We finally took care of the ball saturday but we had 9 empty possessions. When u punt 7 times, plus a kneel before the half, & have a turnover on downs u are going to have a hard time winning. We are 91st in the country in time of possession so u dnt need to "see the tree's", when common sense will tell you that the defense is on the field way too much. This is how stats get inflated. They barley have time to grab a gatorade bottle before they back on the field let alone make adjustments. If we had even an average offense we would be 5-3.
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Our run defense is the only part of our defense I’d say is good enough to win with. The rest of our defense is a liability, particularly the pass defense of our back 7. Again, that is the area of expertise of both our head coach and defensive coordinator, and we are 10th in the conference in passing yards per game/allowed and 12th in interceptions. We are also 12th in total TOs forced. Is the yardage stat artificially inflated a bit by our offensive ineptitude? Yes, to a degree. But if our defense is constantly on the field, they do nothing to help themselves get off the field, either. And it doesn’t explain why we constantly allow free runners in our defensive backfield from the start of the game to the end. Fatigue isn’t an excuse in the first quarter no matter how bad your offense is.

Again, I could buy the defense is good enough to win with argument if we were being coached by an offensive-minded coach who had our offense playing like Florida’s offense, but we don’t. We have a defensive “guru” who can’t even oversee his own area of expertise to help offset the fact that he is deficient in the offensive end. A coach with his pedigree shouldn’t have a middle of the road defense (on their best day) at the end of year 3. That is where my disappointment lies. I could handle the offense being behind at this point if he had built up a defense that was elite, that forced TOs, that helped give the offense opportunities with a short field, and generally matched the hype of his reputation. But even by your own admission, the best compliment you can give them is that they are “good enough to win with”. That isn’t where I expected that unit to be after 3 seasons.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Our run defense is the only part of our defense I’d say is good enough to win with. The rest of our defense is a liability, particularly the pass defense of our back 7. Again, that is the area of expertise of both our head coach and defensive coordinator, and we are 10th in the conference in passing yards per game/allowed and 12th in interceptions. We are also 12th in total TOs forced. Is the yardage stat artificially inflated a bit by our offensive ineptitude? Yes, to a degree. But if our defense is constantly on the field, they do nothing to help themselves get off the field, either. And it doesn’t explain why we constantly allow free runners in our defensive backfield from the start of the game to the end. Fatigue isn’t an excuse in the first quarter no matter how bad your offense is.

Again, I could buy the defense is good enough to win with argument if we were being coached by an offensive-minded coach who had our offense playing like Florida’s offense, but we don’t. We have a defensive “guru” who can’t even oversee his own area of expertise to help offset the fact that he is deficient in the offensive end. A coach with his pedigree shouldn’t have a middle of the road defense (on their best day) at the end of year 3. That is where my disappointment lies. I could handle the offense being behind at this point if he had built up a defense that was elite, that forced TOs, that helped give the offense opportunities with a short field, and generally matched the hype of his reputation. But even by your own admission, the best compliment you can give them is that they are “good enough to win with”. That isn’t where I expected that unit to be after 3 seasons.
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Smh lol u throw out the pass defense stats but Ole miss is dead last in total defense yet they 4-4 yeah ok. I knew u would go to "they need to help themselves out." The problem with that is there is a such thing as getting worn down. If u have been watching these games as close as it appears then u noticed that all of these yards are coming after halftime. Again this shows u that they are wearing down. Being an expert on one side of the football means nothing. Pruitt & Ansley cant line up and play for them. Damn near everyone we played had to come back in the 2nd half so of course they threw the ball. U aint running yourself back into a game. All of this goes back to time of possession. If i keep going 3 & out im going to wear my defense down. It doesnt matter what level u playing on. Once that happens its over. Prime example is ga vs fla or ga vs bama. Ga had the top defense in the country until their offense fell completely apart. Bro im speaking from experience. I've played and coached. Its not rocket science. Stop turning the ball over, score some freaking points, & u wont be 2-6
 
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901 Orange said:
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Smh lol u throw out the pass defense stats but Ole miss is dead last in total defense yet they 4-4 yeah ok. I knew u would go to "they need to help themselves out." The problem with that is there is a such thing as getting worn down. If u have been watching these games as close as it appears then u noticed that all of these yards are coming after halftime. Again this shows u that they are wearing down. Being an expert on one side of the football means nothing. Pruitt & Ansley cant line up and play for them. Damn near everyone we played had to come back in the 2nd half so of course they threw the ball. U aint running yourself back into a game. All of this goes back to time of possession. If i keep going 3 & out im going to wear my defense down. It doesnt matter what level u playing on. Once that happens its over. Prime example is ga vs fla or ga vs bama. Ga had the top defense in the country until their offense fell completely apart. Bro im speaking from experience. I've played and coached. Its not rocket science. Stop turning the ball over, score some freaking points, & u wont be 2-6
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Yeah, Ole Miss is 4-4 in year 1 for Lane Kiffin, an offensive-minded head coach. No real surprise they are struggling defensively, and yet 4-4 in year 1 sounds a whole lot better than 2-6 in year 3.

And offensively, in Kiffin's area of expertise, they are excelling...in year 1. They are #1 in total yards, #2 in rushing yards, #3 in passing yards, and #3 in scoring. In one year, he has put his stamp on that side of the ball and improved them across the board. They were 3rd in total yards, 2nd in rushing yards, 10th in passing yards, and 9th in scoring, just last year. In year 3, the beat we can say is that Pruitt's defense is ok enough to win with.

Not sure that comparison really helps your argument, but I almost feel like we're arguing two different things, at this point. You seem to believe our defense is ok enough to win games if our offense pulled its weight. My argument is that our defensive schemes and talent, which fall on the coach and his staff, are subpar and do nothing to help bail the offense out, ever. And sure, I agree our offense does our defense no favors, I just don't agree that they are good enough to win with. At least not anything above .500, which shouldn't be our goal this far into JP's 3rd year.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Yeah, Ole Miss is 4-4 in year 1 for Lane Kiffin, an offensive-minded head coach. No real surprise they are struggling defensively, and yet 4-4 in year 1 sounds a whole lot better than 2-6 in year 3.

And offensively, in Kiffin's area of expertise, they are excelling...in year 1. They are #1 in total yards, #2 in rushing yards, #3 in passing yards, and #3 in scoring. In one year, he has put his stamp on that side of the ball and improved them across the board. They were 3rd in total yards, 2nd in rushing yards, 10th in passing yards, and 9th in scoring, just last year. In year 3, the beat we can say is that Pruitt's defense is ok enough to win with.

Not sure that comparison really helps your argument, but I almost feel like we're arguing two different things, at this point. You seem to believe our defense is ok enough to win games if our offense pulled its weight. My argument is that our defensive schemes and talent, which fall on the coach and his staff, are subpar and do nothing to help bail the offense out, ever. And sure, I agree our offense does our defense no favors, I just don't agree that they are good enough to win with. At least not anything above .500, which shouldn't be our goal this far into JP's 3rd year.
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U made my point without realizing it. I've been saying this to u the entire time. It doesnt matter how many years LK been there. They .500 bc they can score period. Our defense is better then theirs but they have a better record bc they can score points. This supports my stance that if the offense could stop killing us, our defense is good enough to win with. Saban is a defensive minded coach but the defense aint carried bama in a few years. Its been their offense. U say the defense does nothing to help the offense out. U right we dnt have alot of turnovers but I've seen the defense keep us in games and i've seen them force multiple 3& outs that would have given us a chance if the offense capitalized. Down 24-7 vs fla we forced stops on 3 straight drives in the 3rd. Hell if the offense could get us even 3 points after each of those drives the score is 16-24 going into the 4th.
Us- Ga: we led 21-17 at the half and never scored again and im pretty sure the offense gave the game away
Us-Ky: 2 pick 6's in the 1st half and another turnover that setup 3 points. Ky led at the half 17-0 without scoring an offensive or special teams TD
Us-Ark: we led 13-0 at the half & never scored again smh
Us- Auburn: tied at the half, we never scored agian until garbage time, & our offense spotted them 7 to start the half
Us- fla: 6 1st half possessions and only 1 was more then 6 plays smh. Still manged to be down only 10 points at the half.
Man even the analyst said during the fla game that the defense is what kept us in it which was all facts.
 
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901 Orange said:
U made my point without realizing it. I've been saying this to u the entire time. It doesnt matter how many years LK been there. They .500 bc they can score period. Our defense is better then theirs but they have a better record bc they can score points. This supports my stance that if the offense could stop killing us, our defense is good enough to win with. Saban is a defensive minded coach but the defense aint carried bama in a few years. Its been their offense. U say the defense does nothing to help the offense out. U right we dnt have alot of turnovers but I've seen the defense keep us in games and i've seen them force multiple 3& outs that would have given us a chance if the offense capitalized. Down 24-7 vs fla we forced stops on 3 straight drives in the 3rd. Hell if the offense could get us even 3 points after each of those drives the score is 16-24 going into the 4th.
Us- Ga: we led 21-17 at the half and never scored again and im pretty sure the offense gave the game away
Us-Ky: 2 pick 6's in the 1st half and another turnover that setup 3 points. Ky led at the half 17-0 without scoring an offensive or special teams TD
Us-Ark: we led 13-0 at the half & never scored again smh
Us- Auburn: tied at the half, we never scored agian until garbage time, & our offense spotted them 7 to start the half
Us- fla: 6 1st half possessions and only 1 was more then 6 plays smh. Still manged to be down only 10 points at the half.
Man even the analyst said during the fla game that the defense is what kept us in it which was all facts.
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Okay, our defense is good enough to be a .500 football team if the offense wasn’t all-time awful. Still not where I expected a Jeremey Pruitt and Derrick Ansley coached defense to be after this long. That’s why I see it as a problem. Is it the biggest problem affecting the score of games? No. But the fact that it is only good enough to be average on its best day in year 3 while being coached by a supposed defensive guru is disappointing.
 
#93
#93
Our defense will be fine just as soon as we analyze this brand new devastating offensive weapon out there called a 'slant'. Its diabolical
 
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#94
First we played number 6 Florida.. then we had the best drive of the year. 96 yards...
This doesn’t make sense
 
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#95
BruinVol said:
2020 is just different for defenses. Maybe it stays this way but our D is plenty good enough for us to be a 5-5 type team in this crazy type year for high scoring games. We held florida to their season low today.
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Tennessee’s aspirations are now 5-5
God help UT football, because Pruitt’s not capable of helping
Aight
 
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A fourth or fifth year senior HB might have won this game, yeah. But I would rather watch a freshman QB with a huge potential curve ahead of him lose the game (compared to his potential) because he lacks the experience than a 5th year QB lose by making the same mistakes over and over. This loss was much more enjoyable to watch for me knowing that he is gaining by learning on the job.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Okay, our defense is good enough to be a .500 football team if the offense wasn’t all-time awful. Still not where I expected a Jeremey Pruitt and Derrick Ansley coached defense to be after this long. That’s why I see it as a problem. Is it the biggest problem affecting the score of games? No. But the fact that it is only good enough to be average on its best day in year 3 while being coached by a supposed defensive guru is disappointing.
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When u have an awful offense your defense isnt going to be great period. It can be decent but it wont be elite. Not in today's game. Maybe the avg fan doesnt realize how all 3 phases of a football game work together. Whatever defense u expected in year 3 had no chance to meet your expectations. Not without a consistent offense. Ijs in the 3 wins we scored 36 ppg & only gave up 18 ppg. In 6 losses we scored 15 ppg & gave up 35ppg. Somewhere in this equation there are a ton of turnovers & 3and outs. Uga has the # 2 defense in our league and our defense has only given up 35 more passing yards then they have. I believe with a consistent offense the defense would look more like u pictured it in the beginning.
 
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RockyTopTexas said:
First we played number 6 Florida.. then we had the best drive of the year. 96 yards...
This doesn’t make sense
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When you play an actual QB and dont have to game plan around that you can do better. We would’ve won three more games playing Bailey/Shrout
 
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TheFlash1971 said:
Let's fire Pruitt and hire Coastal Carolina s coach , here are the reasons why.

1. He is from a small program and gets his kids to play hard.
2 He runs a spread run , quarterback option run offense. I'm sure it will be difficult to defend.
3 He will be able to lure recruits away from Clemson and South Carolina
4 Tennessee should be able to lock him in on a 6 yr 20 million dollar contract.

He is ripe for the picking.
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OK, for argument sake,

Identify how much money it will cost us to pay off this staff.
Identify how much money it will take to bring in him and his staff.

Indentify how much money is available to make a change this year. That can be money in the bank or money you know has been committed by the power broker folks. Committed not in their bank accounts.

I am afraid too many folks are applying the car dealers miracle finance deals logic to where we are in the year of COVID. We are under water and premium cars are not being discounted.

So lay out how to pull off your plan financially,
 
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