Extremely premature coaching candidate discussion (merged)

#451
#451
GreyWolf1129 said:
Yeah, I said "near-zero chance". The thing is, someone will hire him, and he will win. He has a Power 5 pedigree, and is a proven winner. Plus he can recruit. Plus he can put together a strong staff.

The only question would be if he has learned anything from his mistakes with high-risk recruits; his ego; and his unhealthy fascination with all things USC.

If he has, then Lane Kiffin could turn out to be a very good hire for whatever school offers him a job.

And eventually, one will.
Click to expand...

He's learned and finally matured. He land a HC job somewhere soon.
 
#452
#452
GreyWolf1129 said:
Yeah, I said "near-zero chance". The thing is, someone will hire him, and he will win. He has a Power 5 pedigree, and is a proven winner. Plus he can recruit. Plus he can put together a strong staff.

The only question would be if he has learned anything from his mistakes with high-risk recruits; his ego; and his unhealthy fascination with all things USC.

If he has, then Lane Kiffin could turn out to be a very good hire for whatever school offers him a job.

And eventually, one will.
Click to expand...

"Proven winner"? He was run out of Oakland and USC because he couldn't win. Some idiot school will hire him in the next few years, but it won't be UT.
 
#453
#453
GreyWolf1129 said:
Yeah, I said "near-zero chance". The thing is, someone will hire him, and he will win. He has a Power 5 pedigree, and is a proven winner. Plus he can recruit. Plus he can put together a strong staff.

The only question would be if he has learned anything from his mistakes with high-risk recruits; his ego; and his unhealthy fascination with all things USC.

If he has, then Lane Kiffin could turn out to be a very good hire for whatever school offers him a job.

And eventually, one will.
Click to expand...


Agree. He might end up a gamecock depending on how Bama finishes
 
#454
#454
butchna said:
We didn't get the death penalty last time so if he has more than ONE year? Just sayin. :hmm:
Click to expand...

Yep. Plus, I thought Butch was a good hire, so I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in the opinion of a very frustrated, extremely desperate for a winner Vol fan.

But it's obvious that Butch is in way over his head, so it's time to start the discussion about who will inherit Team 121.
 
#456
#456
GreyWolf1129 said:
Just hear me out on this one.....

Dickey went to our (at the time) most hated rival, and then came home. Turned out to be a good move.

Sooner or later, Kiffin will get another HC job. Hate him if you want, but he can coach, and he can recruit talent.

Saban knows talent when he sees it. He hired Kiffin.

After a few years in the Saban system, Kiffin is going to be smarter, and hopefully wiser and more mature.

I'd give it a near-zero chance of happening, but if we're looking for a coach (and we are) that can come in, assemble a quality staff, and win right away, Lane Kiffin would be...and will for some school...a solid hire.

Just sayin'
Click to expand...

Oh laws, didn't you stop drinking after the game yesterday?
 
#457
#457
Don't have time to sift through this entire thread, but what are some legitimate names (no Gruden, Manning, Kelly) being thrown around?

I would think a Kyle Wittingham (Utah) type would be good. Actually knows how to win (novel concept) at a fairly high level with much less talent and resources at his disposal than UT would have. I would have to think Josh Fuentes will get a look at a larger school sometime soon too.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#461
#461
bnhunt said:
Don't you remember how Kiffin's wonderful recruiting class turned out? I think 3 of them may have made it through 4 years.
Click to expand...

Agreed. I specifically addressed whether he had learned any lesson about "high-risk recruits; his ego; etc.".

Maybe he's ready, and maybe he never will be. He could be a winner, or he could prove to be completely toxic.

But he will get another HC gig, and he certainly has the potential to do big things.

And like I said from the beginning, near-zero chance.
 
#462
#462
God no Mullen, Whittingham, Mendenhall, Fuentes, Cutcliffe, Tubberville, etc. Don't need an up and comer or a has been. Need a LONG track record of success AND championships.

Need a Saban/Myer TYPE hire or just keep Butch and tell the fanbase we'll be competing with Vandy for years to come so we can all lower our expectations.
 
Last edited:
#463
#463
VolNRaleighNC said:
God no Mullen, Whittingham, Mendenhall, Fuentes, Cutcliffe, Tubberville, etc. Don't need an up and comer or a has been. No a LONG track record of success and championships.

Need a Saban/Myer TYPE hire or just keep Butch and tell the fanbase we'll be competing with Vandy for years to come.
Click to expand...

Whittigham is neither. He is a great coach that takes inferior talent and beats good teams. He owns Saban and Harbaugh and Oregon
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#465
#465
Nationdom said:
Whittigham is neither. He is a great coach that takes inferior talent and beats good teams. He owns Saban and Harbaugh and Oregon
Click to expand...

At first glance, Whittingham looks like a great option. And there is friction between him and the AD.

If that be the case, better move now, before another school snaps him up.
 
#466
#466
VolNRaleighNC said:
God no Mullen, Whittingham, Mendenhall, Fuentes, Cutcliffe, Tubberville, etc. Don't need an up and comer or a has been. Need a LONG track record of success AND championships.

Need a Saban/Myer TYPE hire or just keep Butch and tell the fanbase we'll be competing with Vandy for years to come so we can all lower our expectations.
Click to expand...

Took the word right out of my mouth. Tired of taking chances on "up and comers" we need a home run hire or just stick with Butch until we can afford a home run hire.
 
#467
#467
GreyWolf1129 said:
Agreed. I specifically addressed whether he had learned any lesson about "high-risk recruits; his ego; etc.".

Maybe he's ready, and maybe he never will be. He could be a winner, or he could prove to be completely toxic.

But he will get another HC gig, and he certainly has the potential to do big things.

And like I said from the beginning, near-zero chance.
Click to expand...

We don't need a "could be a winner" coach coming in here. Now is not the time to take chances on coaches that have proven to be a flop in every stop they've made.

You and others are blind to the fact he is a poison pill each and every time he lands a HC gig.
 
#468
#468
Timing is a huge part of any elite coaching hire, something the Tennessee AD seriously undermines. Elite coaching availability should dictate when you cut Butch Jones loose. You don't fire him, and then start scrambling to find a replacement. You establish a quality replacement, then fire him.

Someone forward this to Dave Hart.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 6 people
#471
#471
Grand Vol said:
We don't need a "could be a winner" coach coming in here. Now is not the time to take chances on coaches that have proven to be a flop in every stop they've made.

You and others are blind to the fact he is a poison pill each and every time he lands a HC gig.
Click to expand...

Here's what I'm not blind to...

- The fact that UT Football has been stuck in the doldrums since 2005, 2007, or 2008, depending on your definition of "when the wheels came off";

- Since 2008, we've cycled through 3 (and counting) head coaches, and we're unofficially back in the market for #4;

- You can forget about Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, or any other established head coach in a Power 5 program. They have it good where they are. The UT job is literally beneath them;

- Maybe Kiffins' ceiling is to be a coordinator for a strong head coach. If so, he's in a good spot. But if...IF...he has learned from his mistakes, then he's going to win somewhere. And sooner rather than later;

- UT is not in a position, either financially or in terms of prestige, to have the pick of the litter when we hire our next coach. It's going to involve a lot of money, and a fair amount of risk.

Or we can just rest on our laurels, keep polishing the 1998 apple, and wonder why we just can't seem to get back to the glory years.

Blind? No. Farsighted? Perhaps. But that beats the myopic delusion that seems to be affecting a bunch of Vol fans who think UT is still one of the premier coaching gigs in the nation. It's not.
 
#474
#474
GreyWolf1129 said:
- Maybe Kiffins' ceiling is to be a coordinator for a strong head coach. If so, he's in a good spot. But if...IF...he has learned from his mistakes, then he's going to win somewhere. And sooner rather than later
Click to expand...

As a fan base, we shouldn't be counting on "if." Especially when the person you endorse has already gotten two programs into hot water. Kiffin is not the cure to the disease we face. Is more like adding heart disease on top of cancer. And the only reason Alabama hasn't gotten into trouble yet is because either Saban doesn't allow it or they haven't been caught yet.

You and others need to get off Kiffin's nuts. The vast majority of the fan base will not support him returning to Knoxville.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.
Advertisement



Back
Top