Explosion in Boston?

#1,752
#1,752
Wasn't the older brother out of the country for 6 months last year?

And didn't the little brother just become a full US citizen in 2011?
 
#1,753
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DC Vol said:
There are a lot in here that wouldn't agree that a spade is a spade.

"Well, it could be a club, who knows. You can't profile spades like that. Plus, that spade never went to spade school with other spades in order to learn to be a spade. It's a tentative link at best. I don't even know that I'd be comfortable calling it a playing card to be honest."

DISCLAIMER: This guy doesn't represent Muslims. I have Muslim friends and he sure as hell doesn't represent them... but then again they drink and smoke and are probably Muslim about as much as the bicycle girls in clubs wearing crosses are Southern Baptists.

He does, however, strongly look to represent an extremist view of a small minority of vocal (and powerful in some cases) Muslims. To pretend there isn't a faction of Muslims that are using their religion as a power broker is to be completely naive.
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I wouldn't call countries full of these people a small minority. When an abortion clinic gets bombed and people die, how many people take to the streets in celebration?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-9JpRytCx0[/youtube]
 
#1,755
#1,755
I would imagine Thanksgiving at the Tsarnaev house is not going to be a good one. You've got two uncles condemning them (one in particular who ripped the two nephews a new ahole), and then you have and aunt and the father who almost seem offended that anyone suggest the two were involved in a candy bar theft, much less the marathon bombing. The latter are demanding proof. I understand the disbelief, but I'd say the two having a shootout with police instead of simply surrendering for questioning is sufficient enough proof. I guess though when the whole world is one big conspiracy theory to you it's kind of hard. Anyhow, I hate it for everyone involved in this. A lot of lives have been ruined.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I wouldn't call countries full of these people a small minority. When an abortion clinic gets bombed and people die, how many people take to the streets in celebration?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-9JpRytCx0[/youtube]
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Never underestimate the value of education. Some of our worst examples of humanity have been some of our most highly educated, but generally speaking, education and bigotry don't go hand-in-hand. Anyone who celebrates the death of innocent human beings, no matter where they come from is sleaze, but you have to remember these are people with the equivalent of 5th grade educations oftentimes. They know about as much about what's actually going on in the world as a jackrabbit.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Reuters reports that the younger one's social media page contained links to websites calling for Chechen independence.

Therefore, I am proclaiming that he did it to promote Chechen independence. Prove me wrong. Can't, can you?




(Note: He may have also had a link to a website for Wendy's, but I doubt he did it for a bacon double cheeseburger. That claim would be just silly).
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I don't know why I'm still attempting to carry out a logical conversation with you, but here goes:

If a Chechen is calling for Chechen independence and sets a bomb off in Moscow... that is absolutely motivated by a desire to send a political message for Chechen independence to the people that are depriving Chechnya of it's independence.

The older brother was a devout Muslim, had a disdain for American culture, had activity that was leaning towards Muslim extremism and set off a bomb in a public place that would send a message.

He didn't attack a personal place (like a school shooting) but carried out an attack as a vendetta against a culture he was rebelling against. Put 2 and 2 together.

It's known that AQ recruits people through activity online. It's also known that the hardline elements would love to have a jihad waged in the US. Recruiting from within the US is ideal. If AQ was looking for someone... the older brother was the perfect target.

An immigrant that is completely isolated from the country he's in and is already devoutly religious. Perfect recruiting target.
 
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volprof said:
Never underestimate the value of education. Some of our worst examples of humanity have been some of our most highly educated, but generally speaking, education and bigotry don't go hand-in-hand. Anyone who celebrates the death of innocent human beings, no matter where they come from is sleaze, but you have to remember these are people with the equivalent of 5th grade educations oftentimes.
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Oh I know. I've worked with the Pakistani army in Pakistan before. Most of these people can't read the Koran and just believe what others tell them is in there. Vice on HBO talked about it with the young suicide bombers in Afghanistan. Back to Pakistan, their army troops had about a 3rd grade education level.
 
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DC Vol said:
I don't know why I'm still attempting to carry out a logical conversation with you, but here goes:

If a Chechen is calling for Chechen independence and sets a bomb off in Moscow... that is absolutely motivated by a desire to send a political message for Chechen independence to the people that are depriving Chechnya of it's independence.

The older brother was a devout Muslim, had a disdain for American culture, had activity that was leaning towards Muslim extremism and set off a bomb in a public place that would send a message.

He didn't attack a personal place (like a school shooting) but carried out an attack as a vendetta against a culture he was rebelling against. Put 2 and 2 together.

It's known that AQ recruits people through activity online. It's also known that the hardline elements would love to have a jihad waged in the US. Recruiting from within the US is ideal. If AQ was looking for someone... the older brother was the perfect target.

An immigrant that is completely isolated from the country he's in and is already devoutly religious. Perfect recruiting target.
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It's cute when people think they have it all figured out.
 
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#1,764
Obsessed said:
Wasn't the older brother out of the country for 6 months last year?

And didn't the little brother just become a full US citizen in 2011?
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His YouTube account that was just coincidentally following terrorist related videos was created in August of 2012. Mother of pearls if he was out of the country for 6 months and then comes back and starts liking videos about jihad and terrori-

Wait.

That spade still might be a club or not even a playing card. We can't profile like this, guys.
 
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#1,765
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MercyPercy said:
It's cute when people think they have it all figured out.
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What about what I said was wrong?

Point something out specifically and rebut it. General comments that are desperate attempts at patronization really only make you look like a fool.
 
#1,766
#1,766
DC Vol said:
I don't know why I'm still attempting to carry out a logical conversation with you, but here goes:

If a Chechen is calling for Chechen independence and sets a bomb off in Moscow... that is absolutely motivated by a desire to send a political message for Chechen independence to the people that are depriving Chechnya of it's independence.

The older brother was a devout Muslim, had a disdain for American culture, had activity that was leaning towards Muslim extremism and set off a bomb in a public place that would send a message.

He didn't attack a personal place (like a school shooting) but carried out an attack as a vendetta against a culture he was rebelling against. Put 2 and 2 together.

It's known that AQ recruits people through activity online. It's also known that the hardline elements would love to have a jihad waged in the US. Recruiting from within the US is ideal. If AQ was looking for someone... the older brother was the perfect target.

An immigrant that is completely isolated from the country he's in and is already devoutly religious. Perfect recruiting target.
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Wow.
 
#1,768
#1,768
DC Vol said:
What about what I said was wrong?

Point something out specifically and rebut it. General comments that are desperate attempts at patronization really only make you look like a fool.
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You are speculating, which is fine, but don't act like it's the end all be all truth until we know the facts for sure. Didn't mean to get you so grumpy. Chin up buddy. :)
 
#1,769
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FLVOL_79 said:
Oh I know. I've worked with the Pakistani army in Pakistan before. Most of these people can't read the Koran and just believe what others tell them is in there. Vice on HBO talked about it with the young suicide bombers in Afghanistan. Back to Pakistan, their army troops had about a 3rd grade education level.
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You know, although I've kind of being on the other side of the fence from your posts today so far, I tend to equate this period in Islamic history with Christianity's Crusades. I think they're going through a similar period of radicalization (although the Crusade were just as often about plunder as ideology; same is frequently the case in Islamist work as well), and it will be obviously violent and long, but at the end of the day (assuming it runs the same course), I think things will change. Not a perfect analogy, but one I think fitting before many self-righteous Christians (I'm not referring to you) think themselves so much better.

On another note, are you a veteran? If so, thanks for your service!
 
#1,772
#1,772
They're saying the boy was very impressionable and the older brother was manipulative. So while the boy may not have had deep feelings to motivate him to do this, his brother may have.
 
#1,773
#1,773
Is anyone else still wondering how this kid broke through a police barricade, with helos flying overhead, and about 100+ cops surrounding him and then just disappeared?
 
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