Even More Obamacare Follies

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volinbham said:
I've posted it a couple of times. They have a written plan that addresses the uninsured and pre-existing conditions. It may have even passed the House (can't recall).

Will it work? I don't know but criticizing it's efficacy is entirely different than saying it doesn't exist (which is what Dems and Obama are doing). They are lying.
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Thank you bham. I have not saw that plan. There has been plenty of lying from this Administration. I
 
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DC_Vol said:
I propose getting some leaders with the fortitude to sell the case to the public, to tie this around the dems necks, and to use that momentum to make it a priority in their terms of office. Well have to displace a lot of the rot currently in the system.

Nothing wrong with obstructing crappy laws. Compromise for its own sake is a losing strategy. In life and in legislation.

Also hilarious that you point to the tight side of the aisle for these lunatics. Open your eyes...they've been running the country since 06. You like it?
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So you are in agreement no way it is going to get repealed in the near future, if ever.
 
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Reid is a pos along w/the boss O. They both have NOT signed up for the ACA they created as to be an example for everyone & to show how confident they believe in this health care crap law. They show nothing but arrogance & demonize the other political party as extremist lunatics when all they need to do to find those is to look in the mirror.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I would have to stand by what Obama himself said...

That it won't be repealed while he is President.
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I agree 100%

It has many problems and is overall a bad law. One has to take a realistic look and realize regardless of how bad they may hate the law, it is law and here to stay at least for the next few years. That is why I keep calling on Congress to try to better the law. Congress voting to repeal it 40+ times has been a waste of time and taxpayer money.
 
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Gramps said:
I agree 100%

It has many problems and is overall a bad law. One has to take a realistic look and realize regardless of how bad they may hate the law, it is law and here to stay at least for the next few years. That is why I keep calling on Congress to try to better the law. Congress voting to repeal it 40+ times has been a waste of time and taxpayer money.
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It would be better to just hope you don't get sick.
 
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Gramps said:
I agree 100%

It has many problems and is overall a bad law. One has to take a realistic look and realize regardless of how bad they may hate the law, it is law and here to stay at least for the next few years. That is why I keep calling on Congress to try to better the law. Congress voting to repeal it 40+ times has been a waste of time and taxpayer money.
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That would be a terrible political strategy for the GOP, fix Obama's albatross just so he can take credit for it and use it against them.
 
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hog88 said:
That would be a terrible political strategy for the GOP, fix Obama's albatross just so he can take credit for it and use it against them.
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Terrible Law- would be a bad political move to make it a good law...That make plenty of sense, hog.
 
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Gramps said:
Terrible Law- would be a bad political move to make it a good law...That make plenty of sense, hog.
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They have been right that it was a terrible law. What makes you think they are wrong that it is unfixable without complete repeal or overhaul? What has Obama done to make you think he will in anyway support any major changes offered by republicans?
 
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Gramps said:
Terrible Law- would be a bad political move to make it a good law...That make plenty of sense, hog.
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it simply can't be made into a good law. All the bondo in the world can't turn a pinto into a showroom-worthy Ferrari.
 
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vols4sure said:
They have been right that it was a terrible law. What makes you think they are wrong that it is unfixable without complete repeal or overhaul? What has Obama done to make you think he will in anyway support any major changes offered by republicans?
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Why should they not offer policy and let Obama support or reject it?

It needs major overhaul, I agree but it can be obtained if our legislators would legislate and our president govern.
 
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volinbham said:
A Serious Republican Health-Care Plan - Bloomberg
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The plan, which is mostly the work of Representatives Phil Roe and Steve Scalise, repeals President Barack Obama’s health-care law. It replaces the unlimited tax break for employer-provided health insurance with a new tax deduction -- $7,500 for individuals or $20,000 for families -- to purchase health insurance, whether through an employer or on their own. It would let insurers sell policies across state lines. And it would put $25 billion into high-risk pools to help people who would still be unable to buy insurance.
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I'm fine with doing away with the employer-provided health insurance model (since I already have to buy my own). But if is the actual GOP "plan," they shouldn't be giving us all this spin about keeping your doctor and so forth. Because if this was adopted people would just as surely be switching their plans and doctors as they are today.

As for the buying out-of-state insurance, how can that not be anything less than a gutting of state insurance regulation? If you want to have a de facto national insurance coverage threshold, set it at the federal level, not at the state that allows the skimpiest coverage.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
Yeah because the MSM would twist it to be the dems that fixed it and blame the GOP somehow. Just let them sit on it. Let the dems own it.
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Your answer is for the GOP to sit on their hands, not do anything because if they actually did help overhaul the law the Dems would get credit for doing so ....pure brilliance.
 
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Gramps said:
Your answer is for the GOP to sit on their hands, not do anything because if they actually did help overhaul the law the Dems would get credit for doing so ....pure brilliance.
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Why not?

You can't fix stupid, you can only eliminate it.
 
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Velo Vol said:
I'm fine with doing away with the employer-provided health insurance model (since I already have to buy my own). But if is the actual GOP "plan," they shouldn't be giving us all this spin about keeping your doctor and so forth. Because if this was adopted people would just as surely be switching their plans and doctors as they are today.

As for the buying out-of-state insurance, how can that not be anything less than a gutting of state insurance regulation? If you want to have a de facto national insurance coverage threshold, set it at the federal level, not at the state that allows the skimpiest coverage.
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On the first issue I see no problem with criticizing the POTUS for lying about what his law did. If the GOP is also claiming their plan would allow you to keep your existing plan/doc then they too should be called for misrepresentation

On the second I think that issue could easily be resolved and allow the existence of a much wider variety of choice akin to what we had prior to ACA. The whole notion of "we know what's good for you" is not choice and ridiculous given the diversity of people and situations in the US.
 
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volinbham said:
On the first issue I see no problem with criticizing the POTUS for lying about what his law did. If the GOP is also claiming their plan would allow you to keep your existing plan/doc then they too should be called for misrepresentation
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Fundamental Problem: The president, GOP, whoever, want to frame their health care plans as if patients will be able to have whatever they want.

Reality: Under no realistic proposal can patients have whatever they want.
 
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