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#76
#76
Boca Vol said:
I completely agree. At some point, the record is the most important thing. Do you think it is easier to win at UF vs. Miss. St.? That's the question. In a year or 2 the answer will be clear. If UF is stuck in neutral...7-5 to 9-3 then he clearly isn't the answer.

As for context, look at Pruitt this year. If UT goes 6-6 with a$$ beatings against UF, UGA, Bama, Mizzou, and Vandy have they really improved? If UT goes 6-6 and the above losses from last season are much closer or even a win or 2 I'd feel better about UT's situation.
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A close loss does not make me feel better. In many cases, a close loss is worse. The idea that we should feel better because we lost a close one versus getting blown out is the Vandy mentality. I don’t want to sink that low.
 
#77
#77
Bellevue vol said:
A close loss does not make me feel better. In many cases, a close loss is worse. The idea that we should feel better because we lost a close one versus getting blown out is the Vandy mentality. I don’t want to sink that low.
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UT fans are excited about the possibility of going to a bowl....we are already there!
 
#78
#78
Jaws said:
Except that Dan Mullen was a vital part of Urban Meyer’s success at Florida, having been the OC for the two titles. It’s no coincidence that UF’s decade of malaise on offense started when Dan Mullen left.
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I think UF's offense started having issues after Tebow left, then Meyer. If Cam would've still been at UF I'm willing to bet the offense would've been fine with or without Mullen. After that y'all got a defensive minded coach in Muschamp. Acting like Mullen was the only change in that scenario would be incorrect. I get being a homer, but this is getting a bit ridiculous.
 
#80
#80
08Vol said:
So half of UT’s problems have been in not giving Dooley a 4th and 5th year or Butch a 6th year? Dooley didn’t recruit a single O-lineman in 2011. Butch’s 5th year with a roster full of only his players was his worst. UT’s problems were both of those coaches were garbage and couldn’t handle the pressure at this level.
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Dooley caused a lot of long term issues... no O-line recruits just boggles the mind. Then Butch doubled down on stupid. So... Pruitt has a huge task to get this program righted... he deserves the time needed to do so.
 
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#81
#81
Atlanta917 said:
I think UF's offense started having issues after Tebow left, then Meyer. If Cam would've still been at UF I'm willing to bet the offense would've been fine with or without Mullen. After that y'all got a defensive minded coach in Muschamp. Acting like Mullen was the only change in that scenario would be incorrect. I get being a homer, but this is getting a bit ridiculous.
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Some of this stuff is real easy to research if you’d take the time to do so, instead of popping off about how ridiculous someone is. Tebow’s stats during his senior year (after Mullen left) were down considerably versus his Sophomore and Junior years. Only 21 TD passes that year, he averaged 31 the previous two years, passer rating dropped to 164, he averaged 172.5 previous two years, TD/Int ration dropped, avg yards per attempt dropped, he averaged 18 rushing TD’s during his sophomore and junior seasons, only 14 his senior season despite more rushing attempts. The team was still phenomenal that year because they had a defense where damn near everyone played in the NFL and many dudes still are. And I agree, after Tebow left, the offense continued the downward slide. But the slide started when Mullen left.

And this might be a good time to remind you because I’m sure you forgot, Dan Mullen, in his rookie season at Miss State, brought his Mississippi State team to the Swamp and beat Urban Meyer. THE GUY CAN COACH! The sooner you get over your denial on that, the sooner we can have grown up discussions about how this battle for the SEC East is about to get insane over the next several years.
 
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#82
#82
Boca Vol said:
Record is important but so is context.

If a coach at Vandy consistenty goes 6-6/ 8-4 with the occasional win vs. UT he would be given a lifetime contract or go on to bigger schools like Franklin did. IT'S VANDY for Pete's sake.

UF won the SEC East in '15-'16 and they couldn't wait to get rid of McElwain because the higher ups at UF knew he wasn't the answer. Once the door barely cracked open with the lying thing, he was gone.

Miss. St. being competitive in the SEC W for the last decade tells me Mullen is a pretty good coach. Going against Bama, LSU, aTm, Ark, Auburn, and your rival Ole Miss hasn't been a walk in the park the last 10 years. Again, it's MISS ST!

Record is important but who that record is against is also important. The AD at UF thought Mullen was the man to get UF back to the top of the SEC E. AND contend on a national level. Winning the division is the goal at some schools. Others aim a bit higher.
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Got it, so let’s look at the easier teams then and Damn Mullen’s record while at MS State

5-4 against Arkansas (killer record there)

Maybe his 5-4 record vs Ole miss while they were in suspension is impressive

Or his 3-3 record vs TAMU before Jimbo showed up?
 
#83
#83
GAfan2123 said:
I understand people being homerish towards their own team, but I personally try to only make predictions/beliefs that I would personally be willing to bet money on

I have put down money on the over for TN and put down money on the under for Florida. I will also probably put down money on the under for Kentucky, but haven't done it yet. I did not put down money on Georgia because I believe it will be a push. The over for South Carolina is also a possibility since they are sitting at 5.5
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What are the lines again for those teams? Careful with SC. Absolutely brutal schedule.
 
#84
#84
jakez4ut said:
pretty much agree.

and i'd say he's recruiting at a higher level than Richt did, for sure.

and so far, really, they're only stumbling block has been how to close out a game against Bama. by all rights, they should have wont he last two match ups........and didn't. but man for man, they have the players to match up against a Bama, Clemson, OSU, OU etc....

on your last point....that's what GA fans are afraid of. they've been here before. "almost" good enough.

remains to be seen if they can take the next step.

either way, they're still a whole lot closer to it than we are, so for that reason alone, i'd trade places with them in a heartbeat lol.
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Well they find ways to lose to Bama and then trip up one other game somewhere. That’s eventually what got Richt in trouble too. His Bama was UF though.
 
#86
#86
GAfan2123 said:
Got it, so let’s look at the easier teams then and Damn Mullen’s record while at MS State

5-4 against Arkansas (killer record there)

Maybe his 5-4 record vs Ole miss while they were in suspension is impressive

Or his 3-3 record vs TAMU before Jimbo showed up?
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So according to Georgia fans, Mullen sucked at Mississippi State because he didn’t win the national title or kick Saban’s ass every year. Got it.

Mississippi State was the Vandy of the east.

Try and take a second to absorb this; the 9 years before Mullen arrived, Miss State went 34-72 with 1 bowl game. That’s an average record of 4-8 every year. Mullen went 69-46 and made 8 bowl games. That’s a stunning turnaround. Mullen’s list of “first evers” at Miss State is a mile long. He parlayed that success into a job at Florida. His results are why Georgia fans have perked up so intensely. Georgia fans weren’t this nervous with McElwain or Muschamp in charge.
 
#87
#87
Jaws said:
So according to Georgia fans, Mullen sucked at Mississippi State because he didn’t win the national title or kick Saban’s ass every year. Got it.

Try and take a second to absorb this; the 9 years before Mullen arrived, Miss State went 34-72 with 1 bowl game. That’s an average record of 4-8 every year. Mullen went 69-46 and made 8 bowl games. That’s a stunning turnaround. Mullen’s list of “first evers” at Miss State is a mile long. He parlayed that success into a job at Florida. His results are why Georgia fans have perked up so intensely. Georgia fans weren’t this nervous with McElwain or Muschamp in charge.
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5-4 against Arkansas was an amazing turn around
 
#88
#88
GAfan2123 said:
5-4 against Arkansas was an amazing turn around
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Actually, if that’s all you have, your argument remains extraordinarily weak. Arkansas had some good teams during that stretch. Two of Mullen’s losses to Arkansas were to Bobby Petrino, and those two Arkansas teams played in the Cotton Bowl and Sugar Bowl respectively, and won 10 and 11 games. So yeah, Mullen sucks. 😂

By the way, Kirby Smart lost to Jim McElwain.
 
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#89
#89
GAfan2123 said:
5-4 against Arkansas was an amazing turn around
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By the way, Mullen went 6-3 versus Arkansas, not 5-4. With two of those losses, as I mentioned, being to Petrino-led major bowl teams in Mullen’s first and second years.

Also, you’re losing this debate, badly.
 
#90
#90
GAfan2123 said:
Florida 9
Kentucky 6.5

TN has been floating between 6.5 and 7
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Yeah, no surprise those are tough lines. I think the UF line could very well push. That almost looks like one where it could be wise to buy the half if you can. Of course that means it’s probably wise not to do so! I do lean towards the under with KY and over with TN.
 
#91
#91
Jaws said:
Actually, if that’s all you have, your argument remains extraordinarily weak. Arkansas had some good teams during that stretch. Two of Mullen’s losses to Arkansas were to Bobby Petrino, and those two Arkansas teams played in the Cotton Bowl and Sugar Bowl respectively, and won 10 and 11 games. So yeah, Mullen sucks. 😂

By the way, Kirby Smart lost to Jim McElwain.
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Mullen finished better than 4th in the West only one time, he had 1 good season

A great record Mullen currently has is to be the first coach at Florida to lose to Kentucky in 31 years
 
#93
#93
Jaws said:
So according to Georgia fans, Mullen sucked at Mississippi State because he didn’t win the national title or kick Saban’s ass every year. Got it.

Mississippi State was the Vandy of the east.

Try and take a second to absorb this; the 9 years before Mullen arrived, Miss State went 34-72 with 1 bowl game. That’s an average record of 4-8 every year. Mullen went 69-46 and made 8 bowl games. That’s a stunning turnaround. Mullen’s list of “first evers” at Miss State is a mile long. He parlayed that success into a job at Florida. His results are why Georgia fans have perked up so intensely. Georgia fans weren’t this nervous with McElwain or Muschamp in charge.
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That's because he scheduled 4 cupcakes OOC every year.
 
#94
#94
Where Dan Mullen finished in the SEC West each year

09: 6
10: 5
11: 5

^^ keep in mind there were on 6 teams those years

12: 4
13: 5
14: 2
15: 6
16: 6
17: 4
 
#96
#96
UF 10-2 overall, 6-2 conference
UGA 10-2 overall, 6-2 conference
Missouri 8-4 overall, 4-4 conference
USC 7-5 overall, 4-4 conference
UT 7-5 overall, 3-5 conference
UK 6-6 overall, 2-6 conference
Vandy 4-8 overall, 1-7 conference

Gators win the east, by winning the head to head, vs UGA.
 
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#97
#97
GAfan2123 said:
Got it, so let’s look at the easier teams then and Damn Mullen’s record while at MS State

5-4 against Arkansas (killer record there)

Maybe his 5-4 record vs Ole miss while they were in suspension is impressive

Or his 3-3 record vs TAMU before Jimbo showed up?
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The truth will happen, that's the only certainty. If UF is floundering I have no doubt their AD will make a change.
 
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#99
#99
Vol$_Deep_11_9 said:
I’m gonna say if we see that surge it’ll be next season. Hope it’s this season but he’s still got to deal with enough of that “Champions of Life” mentality to make me think year 3 would be the year we see it. Hope I’m wrong.
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Even then we should see a difference in a positive way this year
 
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