espn on UT QB battle...

#51
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Rudy123 said:
Not trying to be a smart elic, but how do you know that he won't transfer?????

You view him as a fighter who will win the job, if/when Normady messes up?
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I dont know, but his family is friends with CBJ -- just going by that -- it also looked like JG needs more work in the weight room and the new SC coach will help with that, unlike the last one did -- most of us have only seen JG in the OW game so its hard to judge right now
 
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#52
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No. But I have seen him stand next to Dobbs who measured in at 6'3.5" 216 lbs at the combine. And Dormady looked a good inch taller and had more weight on him. I expect Dormady to measure in at around 6'4.5" 225 lbs whenever he gets to the combine.

6'2" QBs might be common but guys who are 6'4"+ with canon arms like Dormady are not common.



Bray's problem was above the neck. Dormady has no such problems. He's smart, mature, and a hard worker. Remember in 2015 he was one of the first freshmen to lose his stripe. He's also made no headlines for any of the wrong reasons the last 2 years.

You should know better than to make such an comparison.
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Bray's problem wasn't just his head but I won't disagree that it was a factor....but... In 2013 not many teams were actually looking for a QB. And the draft class was awful. EJ Manuel went in round 1 to the Bills and Geno Smith went round 2 to Jets. Mike Glennon went it round 3 to Bucs.. All the other QB's went round 4 and 7. Bray probably would've gone round 3/4 maybe...

I think Dormady has skill sets to be looked by pro scouts for sure. He's probably would be best compared to Matt Ryan.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
And it might be after this year. If Mitch Trabisky can go top 5 I wouldnt be shocked if QD has a 1st round draft grade if he has a good season.
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To go from being a first year starter to a first round choice wouldn't shock you?
It would sure as heck shock me.
It would take a lot more than a "good season" too
 
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I believe we're in great shape with either of these young men. A determining factor in the choice of starter is likely to be the perceived strengths of the o-line and running backs. If the o-line can do their job, and coach has confidence in the running backs, Dormady in my opinion is likely to start. If there are issues on the o-line going into the fall and the perception is we need a qb who can scramble I suspect Guarantano may get the nod.

The qb will have some very talented targets. Both of these guys can throw the ball with accuracy. It may come down to who best knows the new playbook. I'm good with either as starter. And I think neither transfers.
 
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LoL there is football and then there is EassPN. They wouldn't know a winner, vol football, or a player if they were bit by one. Somehow they dictate the games and who goes pro and who doesn't though. QUIT WATCHING.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
LoL there is football and then there is EassPN. They wouldn't know a winner, vol football, or a player if they were bit by one. Somehow they dictate the games and who goes pro and who doesn't though. QUIT WATCHING.
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Truest statement on this forum.
 
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sjt18 said:
Anecdotes don't prove anything. Dobbs improved but for most of his career at UT... he did a VERY poor job of managing the pocket. One step in the wrong direction... and an OL loses his leverage. Someone with such outstanding "layman's understanding" of the game should know that. Dobbs' instinct was to pull it down and run it when pressured. That's fine. It was effective. But it is SUPREME IGNORANCE of the game to think it doesn't put a lot more pressure on an OL when they do not know where the QB will be when in pass protection.
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Sjt, this is impossible to defend. Of course, when a QB tucks it and runs the OL has to scramble and protection fizzles. But man, Josh Dobbs redeemed one of the worst OLs in the history of UT football. His legs absolutely saved that OL from complete derision by fans. Jones knew it and had to w Josh. Peterman most likely saw that handwritten on the wall too. Only in an alternative universe could one say Dobbs was cause of our OLs problems.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
LoL there is football and then there is EassPN. They wouldn't know a winner, vol football, or a player if they were bit by one. Somehow they dictate the games and who goes pro and who doesn't though. QUIT WATCHING.
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Gotta givem credit, they can write abunch a words that dont mean diddly. No Respect
 

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#61
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That article makes it sound like Dormady is walk on that came out of nowhere for his junior year to dethrone the starter. Dormady has been the projected starter for 2017 since he became Dobbs backup. He was not the number 2 QB coming into spring IMO.

The only justification anyone would have to think he was the projected backup would be him not being better the runner. He can extend some plays. Not like Dobbs but few can do what Dobbs did on the ground from the QB position. His arm and hopefully his decision making are strong enough that he closes the door on the QB battle in the GA Tech game.

I like them both and think this QB battle is great. They are both solid options based on we have heard and seen. QB play will be key to getting to that 9 win mark, stopping the run is equally important for 2017.
 
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We honestly don't know who the starting QB will be. Sure QD looks to have an edge but how much do you get from a 10 for 10 performance vs a 4 for 5 performance? What if D. Taylor had his 2 sacks against QD instead of JG? Could have been a whole different story.

The only thing we know for sure is that we have 2 very talented QBs and a few others not far behind them. It is a good problem to have.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i don't think anyone really thinks that. rather, comparing that skill set between QD and JG, it's presumed JG is better suited for it.

but agreed, presuming he's josh dobbs, the runner, is probably exactly as you described....gonna be disappointed.

plus i don't think the offense, regardless of who the qb is, is going to be as reliant on the qb's legs as much as it was geared to do so with Dobbs.

different skill sets involved, offense will probably adjust accordingly.
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Let me rephrase a bit. I've seen countless posters discuss JG as the better option to qb the team in THIS offense, because, they said, as we saw with Dobbs the last 3-4 years, you must have a good running qb to have Jones' O be successful.

So while I may have been a bit presumptive in thinking many were thinking JG is essentially Dobbs 2.0 in that respect, I do think that many still may not have a full appreciation for just how unique and elite Dobbs' running skills were and believe, to some good if not a large extent, that we can just plug 'n play with JG and not really skip a beat. Obviously, I don't share this line of thinking.
 
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well, they're just like us, but, they get paid...they don't know what's gonna happen either...plays ya money...takes ya chances...:)

GO BIG ORANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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05_never_again said:
I think just in the fans' heads. Everybody wants to see a highly touted younger player with advertised dynamic playmaking potential (i.e., he can run) play over a guy everyone knows about.
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It wasn't just fans, all the UT media was on the JG train, except maybe Doug Matthews.
 
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sjt18 said:
Sorry. But that is NOT the only reason he ran... and in some respects his habit of running rather than managing the pocket made the OL look worse than it was.
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Yep....when u understand the game this can be so true.What appears to be bad OL play may actually be a QB to quick to flush the pocket and put the OL in a bad space. Afraid of getting an ineligible down field penalty the OL will be lagging, not knowing if he's running or not. Happens all the time. A running QB can be a two edge sword..,
 
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vol-un-tear said:
I bet this offense runs a two QB system. They both bring something different to the table.
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I don't think two QB systems work. Whatever offense we run will be heavily with more plays involving TEs.

I think if we had gotten Helfrich as OC, it would have benefited JG more.

Larry Scott seems like a more pro offense guy.
 
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We could end up with a 2 headed monster that's too close to call.

QD could do A, B and C much better and JG could do D, E and F much better.

Both have strong arms, both are mobile enough to run this O well.

I can actually see us being forced into a 2 QB system because they both are so good.

It could be QD starting against 1 team and JG starting against another simply because of what our opponent does consistently with their D.

We could see play packages and player packages used with each specific QB based on what each of them does best.

We could rotate our QB and players to keep teams seriously confused.

It's always been said that if you have 2 starting QB's then you don't really have a starting QB and most times that's very true.

We just could end up being the exception to that rule simply because we actually have 2 really good QB's that nobody can honestly say 1 is better than the other and needs to be the full time starter.

It could actually come down to playing both of them to see which 1 improves the most in real game situations during the season.

I would hate to be forced to decide which of these 2 great QB's becomes the full time starter.

We just might have so much talent at QB that it becomes a 1a and a 1b situation.

Watching this Fall is sure going to be fun to watch and see what happens.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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