espn on UT QB battle...

[jakez4ut]

This is what comes from Ed Ashoff. Rarely do you see a guy assigned to cover an entire conference who is so blatantly homerish about his alma mater (he's a Gator). The dude pays absolutely minimum attention to all the other programs and then mails it in when he does have to write about them.

agreed.

 

[05_never_again]

Why? It is the NORM for guys to sit a year or two before getting their chance to start at top tier programs.

Because it happens all the time. Hell, we had a starting RB quit during the middle of the season last year, and he'll have to sit out 2017 before seeing the field at Baylor.

Was that smart? Of course not, but it didn't stop him from doing it. Hopefully JG has a little more sense than Hurd and doesn't have people chirping non-stop in his ear.

 

[sjt18]

If the offensive line improves and can protect a QB for a change, Dormady will go in the 1st round.

He reminds me of Joe Flacco in terms of his build and throwing motion.

Just stop. I would love to see Dormady be a first rounder but he hasn't done a doggone thing to warrant that prediction at this point. NADA.

 

[sjt18]

Because it happens all the time. Hell, we had a starting RB quit during the middle of the season last year, and he'll have to sit out 2017 before seeing the field at Baylor.

Hurd's situation was a lot more complicated than not winning a competition for an open position. The opposite is closer to being true. CBJ let Hurd be too much of a prima donna.

Was that smart? Of course not, but it didn't stop him from doing it. Hopefully JG has a little more sense than Hurd and doesn't have people chirping non-stop in his ear.

Point is that if UT isn't recruiting "CEO's" with more stability and patience than that then there is pain on the horizon. Again, top tier programs routinely have high quality players as back ups for 2 or 3 years.

None of that prevents JG or anyone else from transferring. But hopefully Jones is recruiting to create quality depth and experience at QB and then is managing his personnel in a way that causes them to want to stay.

Eventually S Jones thought he should move on and apparently CBJ supported his decision. But he DID come back. That to me shows that CBJ had managed that relationship very well.

 

[sjt18]

Dobbs ran cause the offensive line stunk.

Sorry. But that is NOT the only reason he ran... and in some respects his habit of running rather than managing the pocket made the OL look worse than it was.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Just stop. I would love to see Dormady be a first rounder but he hasn't done a doggone thing to warrant that prediction at this point. NADA.

Dormady has got a strong arm that is accurate and the protypical build NFL teams love.

He'll be a first rounder as long as our offense line can protect him.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Sorry. But that is NOT the only reason he ran... and in some respects his habit of running rather than managing the pocket made the OL look worse than it was.

Compare how the offense looked in 2014 before Dobbs to how it looked after Dobbs.

You're out of your mind if you think Dobbs made the offensive line look worse than it was. This was a line that everyone saw get pushed around by App State!!! Just think about that. App State was making then look silly in week 1. And that wasn't because Dobbs was running around that game.

The offensive line just stunk. One of the worst in the FBS last year. And definitely the worst in the SEC.

Without Dobbs we don't score 20ppg behind that line.

 

[sjt18]

Dormady has got a strong arm that is accurate and had the protypical build NFL teams love.

And? Do you know how many QB's currently playing in FBS/FCS that fit that description?

He'll be a first rounder as long as our offense line can protect him.

He'll be a "first rounder" if he is smart, read D's well, places the ball well, proves to be a leader, avoids injuries, gets receiver production, gets help from the run game.... AND if there aren't 4 or 5 QB's that look better to NFL scouts than him.

Your predictions and evaluations are just ridiculous. I'm embarrassed for you though you don't seem to be embarrassed for yourself.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

And? Do you know how many QB's currently playing in FBS/FCS that fit that description?

Very few. There are actually not a lot of 6'4" 225 lbs QBs with arms as strong as Dormady. There's a reason NFL scouts are right now going gaga over a QB from Wyoming who completed only 56% of his passes last year as a first time starter. Its because he's 6'5" 230 lbs and had a cannon arm.

Physical attributes like Dormady has are RARE. That is why if he has a big season next year he will be a hot commodity in the NFL draft.

As I said earlier, he's a lot like Joe Flacco.

 

[sjt18]

Compare how the offense looked in 2014 before Dobbs to how it looked after Dobbs.

Dobbs mobility made him a good QB. No one has denied that. It offset some of the OL issues after Dooley's holdovers moved on to the NFL.

You're out of your mind if you think Dobbs made the offensive line look worse than it was. This was a line that everyone saw get pushed around by App State!!! Just think about that. App State was making then look silly in week 1. And that wasn't because Dobbs was running around that game.

Anecdotes don't prove anything. Dobbs improved but for most of his career at UT... he did a VERY poor job of managing the pocket. One step in the wrong direction... and an OL loses his leverage. Someone with such outstanding "layman's understanding" of the game should know that. Dobbs' instinct was to pull it down and run it when pressured. That's fine. It was effective. But it is SUPREME IGNORANCE of the game to think it doesn't put a lot more pressure on an OL when they do not know where the QB will be when in pass protection.

Without Dobbs we don't score 20ppg behind that line.

2014? Maybe not.... but they were averaging 24 ppg before he took over. They finished at 29 ppg.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Anecdotes don't prove anything. Dobbs improved but for most of his career at UT... he did a VERY poor job of managing the pocket. One step in the wrong direction... and an OL loses his leverage. Someone with such outstanding "layman's understanding" of the game should know that. Dobbs' instinct was to pull it down and run it when pressured. That's fine. It was effective. But it is SUPREME IGNORANCE of the game to think it doesn't put a lot more pressure on an OL when they do not know where the QB will be when in pass protection

Did you even watch the games?

I seriously can't believe someone who watched this team the last 2 years would say something like this. Outside of the designed runs, almost all of the times Dobbs scrambled, it was because he had pressure coming right at his face because one of our lineman got whipped. Did you not see Coleman Thomas get pushed right back onto Dobbs time after time last year?

There is a reason the offensive line was shuffled every other game. There is a reason every commentator both locally and nationally was talking about it. This was not some conspiracy. The offensive line was PUTRID last year.

And to blame Dobbs for their struggles when the reality was that he bailed them out time and time again is really pathetic sjt18. You should be ashamed of yourself talking this road to try to diminish Josh Dobbs.

 

[Rudy123]

JG is probably going to transfer if it appears Dormady has won the job.

bUTch is probably aware of this, so even though he knows who his choice already is, he will make it look competitive.
He will allow both to play in the Georgia Tech game and the first four games, then he will announce the starter.
At that point, it will be too late for either to salvage the season and transfer.
One may get hurt and force the other to be the starter...Ya never know how these things will shake out.

Young freshman who appears to be the future of U.T. and can give us 4 seasons or a player who has been in the system for several seasons but is a junior with only two seasons to give the program?????????????-

 

[sjt18]

Very few. There are actually not a lot of 6'4" 225 lbs QBs with arms as strong as Dormady. There's a reason NFL scouts are right now going gaga over a QB from Wyoming who completed only 56% of his passes last year as a first time starter. Its because he's 6'5" 230 lbs and had a cannon arm.

Physical attributes like Dormady has are RARE. That is why if he has a big season next year he will be a hot commodity in the NFL draft.

As I said earlier, he's a lot like Joe Flacco.

Of SEC projected starters, 12 of 14 are 6'2" or taller and weigh over 200 lbs. About half are about the same size as Dormady. All have good arms.... and NONE OF THAT makes them surefire first rounders. Raw physical attributes don't make someone a "rare" QB. There are A LOT of 6'3", 210 lb guys who can throw a football. Most won't be drafted or play a down in the NFL.

 

[sjt18]

Did you even watch the games?

I seriously can't believe someone who watched this team the last 2 years would say something like this. Outside of the designed runs, almost all of the times Dobbs scrambled, it was because he had pressure coming right at his face because one of our lineman got whipped. Did you not see Coleman Thomas get pushed right back onto Dobbs time after time last year?

Yes. I watched the games. And unlike you... I wasn't blinded by idol worship. Dobbs did a lot of things to help UT. But his movement in the pocket was a persistent problem. His work on it resulted in him taking a few more sacks as a Sr than he did as a Jr.

There is a reason the offensive line was shuffled every other game. There is a reason every commentator both locally and nationally was talking about it. This was not some conspiracy. The offensive line was PUTRID last year.

If you do not know that a QB's movement in the pocket plays a major factor in OL pass blocking effectiveness... then you simply can't be helped. But... I guess that's rhetorical.

And to blame Dobbs for their struggles when the reality was that he bailed them out time and time again is really pathetic sjt18. You should be ashamed of yourself talking this road to try to diminish Josh Dobbs.

You should be ashamed of yourself for lying by exaggeration. Dobbs had and has weaknesses. It isn't an effort to "diminish" him when someone points those weaknesses out. Dobbs did what Dobbs does. He did NOT manage the pocket well but DID run well. It worked for him most of the time.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Of SEC projected starters, 12 of 14 are 6'2" or taller and weigh over 200 lbs. About half are about the same size as Dormady. All have good arms.... and NONE OF THAT makes them surefire first rounders. Raw physical attributes don't make someone a "rare" QB. There are A LOT of 6'3", 210 lb guys who can throw a football. Most won't be drafted or play a down in the NFL.

A lot of the college measureables are fudged so I wouldn't put a lot of stock in what the listed heights and weights are. You gotta use the eye test. And Dormady is a legit 6'4" 225. Protype builds like this are rare.

And even more rare is his arm strength. You don't know anything about football if you think guys with his type of arm are common. The only reason it doesn't wow you is because Guarantano has just as strong if not a stronger arm. And Dobbs arm strength is pretty darn good as well.

We've just been spoiled at Tennessee because all our top 3 QBs last year had elite level NFL arms.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Yes. I watched the games. And unlike you... I wasn't blinded by idol worship. Dobbs did a lot of things to help UT. But his movement in the pocket was a persistent problem. His work on it resulted in him taking a few more sacks as a Sr than he did as a Jr.

If you do not know that a QB's movement in the pocket plays a major factor in OL pass blocking effectiveness... then you simply can't be helped. But... I guess that's rhetorical.


You should be ashamed of yourself for lying by exaggeration. Dobbs had and has weaknesses. It isn't an effort to "diminish" him when someone points those weaknesses out. Dobbs did what Dobbs does. He did NOT manage the pocket well but DID run well. It worked for him most of the time.

Dude most of the time the pocket collapsed one or two seconds after Josh took the snap. This was not him mismanaging the pocket. It was just a straight up pocket collapse. That is what typically happened.

As I said earlier just go back and watch just the offensive line. You'll see them getting beat almost immediately on every single play. This wasn't because Dobbs had poor movement in the pocket. They were just getting beat one on one by their man. Typically by a bull rush because our guys lacked strength. And after everything we heard about the strength and conditioning program, it shouldn't be a surprise.

 

[sjt18]

A lot of the college measureables are fudged so I wouldn't put a lot of stock in what the listed heights and weights are. You gotta use the eye test. And Dormady is a legit 6'4" 225. Protype builds like this are rare.

I suppose you measured him yourself, right? And no, those types of builds aren't rare among college QB's. In fact, QB's under 6'2" are rare.

And even more rare is his arm strength. You don't know anything about football if you think guys with his type of arm are common.

Yeah. He's got a nice arm but... yeah... it is fairly common. And ftr, he doesn't have the arm strength of say... Tyler Bray.

The only reason it doesn't wow you is because Guarantano has just as strong if not a stronger arm. And Dobbs arm strength is pretty darn good as well.

No. The only reason I recognize that it takes more than size and a good arm to be a 1st round draft pick... is because it does.

You're right. Dobbs has good size and a strong arm. He was a successful college QB. He was drafted in the 4th round and is considered a project. Bray was 6'6", 230 with one of the strongest arms the SEC has seen in several years... and went undrafted.

It takes much more than size and a strong arm... and those things are NOT that uncommon among CFB QB's.

We've just been spoiled at Tennessee because all our top 3 QBs last year had elite level NFL arms.[/QUOTE]

 

[dcm3w]

A lot of the college measureables are fudged so I wouldn't put a lot of stock in what the listed heights and weights are. You gotta use the eye test. And Dormady is a legit 6'4" 225. Protype builds like this are rare.

And even more rare is his arm strength. You don't know anything about football if you think guys with his type of arm are common. The only reason it doesn't wow you is because Guarantano has just as strong if not a stronger arm. And Dobbs arm strength is pretty darn good as well.

We've just been spoiled at Tennessee because all our top 3 QBs last year had elite level NFL arms.

Size and arm strength may get you drafted higher but it's no indication of ever being relevant in the NFL. They're drooling over the kid from Wyoming now because they see a high ceiling but come April of next year, he might not be in the top QB discussion.

I'm not saying Dormady won't be a 1st rounder but to say he will be drafted only for his measurables is laughable.

Please, his measurables are not rare. If anything his touch has been the most impressive feature.

P.S. Dormady has not even played any meaningful snaps yet

 

[sjt18]

Dude most of the time the pocket collapsed one or two seconds after Josh took the snap. This was not him mismanaging the pocket. It was just a straight up pocket collapse. That is what typically happened.

Dude. You are so ignorant of the game and starstruck that you probably cannot grasp what I'm telling you. Like I said, Dobbs made a conscious effort to improve. It made him a "better" pocket passer but also resulted in more sacks.

As I said earlier just go back and watch just the offensive line. You'll see them getting beat almost immediately on every single play.

I have. And I've spent considerable time during Dobbs' career watching his management of the pocket. It improved but never became really good.

This wasn't because Dobbs had poor movement in the pocket. They were just getting beat one on one by their man.

I don't think I can make you understand... but if a QB does not set up a pass blocker the right way... it is just as bad as when a RB doesn't set up a run block correctly. Dobbs' mobility made him as good as he was. It also made him MUCH more difficult to protect in the pocket because they never knew where he would be.

 

[508mikey]

JG is probably going to transfer if it appears Dormady has won the job.

No he wont - but will if CBJ gets fired

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I suppose you measured him yourself, right? And no, those types of builds aren't rare among college QB's. In fact, QB's under 6'2" are rare.

No. But I have seen him stand next to Dobbs who measured in at 6'3.5" 216 lbs at the combine. And Dormady looked a good inch taller and had more weight on him. I expect Dormady to measure in at around 6'4.5" 225 lbs whenever he gets to the combine.

6'2" QBs might be common but guys who are 6'4"+ with canon arms like Dormady are not common.

He's got a nice arm but... yeah... it is fairly common. And ftr, he doesn't have the arm strength of say... Tyler Bray.

No. The only reason I recognize that it takes more than size and a good arm to be a 1st round draft pick... is because it does.

You're right. Dobbs has good size and a strong arm. He was a successful college QB. He was drafted in the 4th round and is considered a project. Bray was 6'6", 230 with one of the strongest arms the SEC has seen in several years... and went undrafted.

It takes much more than size and a strong arm... and those things are NOT that uncommon among CFB QB's.

Bray's problem was above the neck. Dormady has no such problems. He's smart, mature, and a hard worker. Remember in 2015 he was one of the first freshmen to lose his stripe. He's also made no headlines for any of the wrong reasons the last 2 years.

You should know better than to make such an comparison.

 

[billford]

JG is probably going to transfer if it appears Dormady has won the job.

I kinda look for this to happen myself. If he doesn't win the starting job..

 

[Volinnooga]

When was Guarantano the "early favorite?"

He certainly was on VN. Most of you guys had him as the unquestioned leader

 

[Rudy123]

No he wont - but will if CBJ gets fired

Not trying to be a smart elic, but how do you know that he won't transfer?????

You view him as a fighter who will win the job, if/when Normady messes up?

 

[VolFreakJosh]

He certainly was on VN. Most of you guys had him as a 1st round draft pick.

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