Eric Russell former STC says...

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Bassmanbruno said:
Once again - sunshine pumpers relying on insults and flaming due to their ignorance. What's new.
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Ok, case in point, and if saying anything pumping is a flamming comment shows you a little bit dim.

Do you think the OC would be able to coach the QB how to throw the ball? Nah, probably not......
 
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vol66 said:
For those interested this thread is about...contracts, job security and/or the ability to attain the same somewhere besides UT. It is about the debate of choosing school b over a, when school b offers you a longer contract.

It is about taking a pay cut to do the same job somewhere else for an extra couple of years, over being loyal to someone who either cannot or will not give you and your family security.

It is also about whether you deserve an extension based on performance.

Every thread turns into PRO or CON Dooley...that's not this.
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Now you're talking out of both sides of your mouth...you stated earlier that Russell's comments were relevant--not because he chose school b over a--but because he said something different than CDD said about the reason he left for school b...which can be interpreted no other way than a veiled bash of CDD...

Did Russell deserve an extension to coach at UT based on ST performance? We ranked 10th in punting and 9th in kicking in the SEC--out of 12 teams--no matter how you will attempt to spin it--Eric Russell wasn't getting the job done for UT...and now I believe him when he says he left because of coaching stability--he didn't have any security or stability at UT because he couldn't get it done...objective data doesn't lie!

I'm done--shoulda quit when you gave more credibility to Russell than you do to our current head coach...

And to answer one of your other posts--Yes--Sunseri, Palermo, Pittman, et. al. much better coaching experience and resumes than departing puss-12 girls....
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Now we have one talking and it's relevent because it differs from what Dooley said...that's all.

Personally, the fact that Hart would give in coming coaches multi year deals and not extend contracts of coaches currently employed says quite a bit, some choose to ignore that, not me.
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Okay...so are you saying that it's relevant because it casts doubt on CDD's honesty? You can't have it both ways--if Russell is legit, offering a different story than CDD--and relevant, as you say--then it may be deduced that you believe Russell's statements give evidence that CDD is not telling the truth--no other conclusion can be made from your comments.

However--I offer a different perspective: Russell left because he didn't get the job done at Tennessee--saw the writing on the wall--and went scrambling for a job from his 'ol buddy crazy horse--I mean Leach at WSU!

Just check the objective special teams data for UT last year--or just remember Palardy and Darr--2 great talents out of high school that Russell guided into worse-than-mediocre performances in college--then ask yourself one question--What would you say if someone stuck a microphone in your face and asked why you left a top 10 all time winning program in the best conference in the USA for WSU in Pullman, Washington?

Hart's multi-year deals for incoming coaches puts them in line with the length of CDD's contract...Hart expects CDD to win...and has supported CDD's hiring of these assistants!

Bottom line: We're better with the new coaching staff than at this time last year (except maybe Thompson). This will be CDD's 3rd year...8 regular season wins a must...and once again--who really gives a rat's azz what a subpar STC at WSU has to say about why he left UT! GO VOLS! :salute:
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It's not a question of honesty #1, it's Coach speak. If you saw my other post...Dooley hired him because of what he did at Texas Tech, and it's not "scrambling for a job", because Leach is hiring him for the second time, based on the first time, presumably...Leach could offer something Dooley(or Hart) could not or would not, SECURITY.

In terms of the kicking game, I agree with bassman on many points, though I'm not into the execution, j/k...

I hope that you are right, and the staff is better....BUT, the fact that you, yourself puts an 8 game goal, provides proof that our last STC was right in his comment, no?
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Troll be trolling. Sunshine pumpers be flaming and name calling when they don't have anything relevant to say.
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Such as? Give me a good example.... If college could hire for every single position I'm sure many would. Does the Kicking coach answer to the STC or is it the other way around? I'm confused...... was our oline not performing correctly because the DB coach was making the play calling? I'm so confused now.....
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Now you're talking out of both sides of your mouth...you stated earlier that Russell's comments were relevant--not because he chose school b over a--but because he said something different than CDD said about the reason he left for school b...which can be interpreted no other way than a veiled bash of CDD...

Did Russell deserve an extension to coach at UT based on ST performance? We ranked 10th in punting and 9th in kicking in the SEC--out of 12 teams--no matter how you will attempt to spin it--Eric Russell wasn't getting the job done for UT...and now I believe him when he says he left because of coaching stability--he didn't have any security or stability at UT because he couldn't get it done...objective data doesn't lie!

I'm done--shoulda quit when you gave more credibility to Russell than you do to our current head coach...

And to answer one of your other posts--Yes--Sunseri, Palermo, Pittman, et. al. much better coaching experience and resumes than departing puss-12 girls....
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Simply a clarification for those who read in the morning that this is NOT a bash or don't bash Dooley thread...it's one coach saying why he left and a necessary debate about the pros and cons of contracts and extensions.
 
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vol66 said:
It's not a question of honesty #1, it's Coach speak. If you saw my other post...Dooley hired him because of what he did at Texas Tech, and it's not "scrambling for a job", because Leach is hiring him for the second time, based on the first time, presumably...Leach could offer something Dooley(or Hart) could not or would not, SECURITY.

In terms of the kicking game, I agree with bassman on many points, though I'm not into the execution, j/k...

I hope that you are right, and the staff is better....BUT, the fact that you, yourself puts an 8 game goal, provides proof that our last STC was right in his comment, no?
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Say what you will--you are unmistakeably using Russell's comments to question CDD's honesty.

And, no--my 8 game goal doesn't validate Russell's comments--I'm not your straw-man! It's just MY expectation for the upcoming year--I also expected 8 wins last year, and believe we could've won 8 if Bray and Hunter would have stayed healthy (beaten UGA, SC, and KY)!

If you go back and look at my prior posts--I am an unapologetic CDD fan and do believe he should be given through the 2014 year to FAIRLY assess his coaching ability. However, nothing in this world is fair, especially when coaching 19-22 year olds in the SEC.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Say what you will--you are unmistakeably using Russell's comments to question CDD's honesty.

And, no--my 8 game goal doesn't validate Russell's comments--I'm not your straw-man! It's just MY expectation for the upcoming year--I also expected 8 wins last year, and believe we could've won 8 if Bray and Hunter would have stayed healthy (beaten UGA, SC, and KY)!

If you go back and look at my prior posts--I am an unapologetic CDD fan and do believe he should be given through the 2014 year to FAIRLY assess his coaching ability. However, nothing in this world is fair, especially when coaching 19-22 year olds in the SEC.
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I'm not. I think Dooley is an honest guy, well spoken, intelligent. I've got no axe to grind, though I don't always agree with the X's and O's...

Hope you don't mind, I'll save myself the time. I get that you are unapologetic in your support of Dooley. Nothing wrong with that, heck, I want him to succeed. I think 2014 might be reasonable and even popular if he wins, as you suggest 8 or more games.

However, if I'm a coach on his staff, and this is my last year under contract, and the AD and the Coach won't extend my contract...

It would be one thing if the coaches left for better positions, or a longing for the west coast or an early retirement or pick something...

Truth is , I google "Charlie Baggett" everyday, because that's the answer.
 
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If he thinks it was a gamble to stay than so be it..... but honestly if you want to win games in a competitive league you have to have a pair, and if you don't believe in your own ability to succeed than Im pretty sure we didn't want him here anyway regardless of how well we do next year.
 
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THUNDERWANG said:
If he thinks it was a gamble to stay than so be it..... but honestly if you want to win games in a competitive league you have to have a pair, and if you don't believe in your own ability to succeed than Im pretty sure we didn't want him here anyway regardless of how well we do next year.
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I'm starting to think that folks think what's gone on here is normal. It's not. Seven coaches leaving, terminated, retiring, in one off season, is not the norm.

Peter Sirmon doesn't have a pair? Baggett? Wilcox?
 
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vol66 said:
I'm starting to think that folks think what's gone on here is normal. It's not. Seven coaches leaving, terminated, retiring, in one off season, is not the norm.

Peter Sirmon doesn't have a pair? Baggett? Wilcox?
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With having to throw a staff together because signing day is 3 wks away, I don't think I could hire THE coaches I wanted, coaches that knew my philosopy, so I'll do the best I can, and if they aren't the ones for the job that I intended I'll weed 'em out and get coaches that are more in tune to my coaching methods and philosophy. OOP! a couple weren't happy in my methods, some kinda went back to the other side of the U.S. where they and their families were more confortable. A couple were just bad hires, so mI'll start with them, etc, etc!
No, I don't feel he thought that he would suffer the attrition that he did, but now that it happened, he feels he can actually improve his staff and start winningm where I can get the people that are ignorant as to what the job entails off my back!
 
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I hear what you're sayng...He brought some coaches he trusted from La Tech, he kept some coaches to preserve recruiting, and then he filled out his staff with some coaches recommended by his peers. Hinshaw from Memphis and Chaney from Purdue, that's all that's left from the original staff, and Chaney was brought in by Kiffin.
 
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It was going to come down to how many games we won

Isn't that what it's supposed to come down to?
 
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Alot of truths here and as we all know it will comes down to wins next year and if you have a family you probably jump ship for the guarantee.We don't know the magic win number it is believed to be 8 but if you said 7 you could be right
 
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CountVolcula said:
A true Negavol is someone who is so hell bent on being right on an internet board, that they want to see the team, that they claim to love, fail.

Only to be able to say "I told you so". Just like a 5 year old on the playground
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FTR... this isn't me. I'd love Dooley to do well and prove me wrong. I just don't see it based on the past two years.

so there, i'm officially not a negavol. woo hoo
 
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ImportedVoL said:
Watch how the bashers cling to this little remark as the definitive proof...
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Why, because it is?

His remark validates the jumping of a sinking ship analogy so many disappointed vol fans have used.

Worst nightmare for Doolaiders IMO. :twocents:
 
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luvmuscle77 said:
Seems to me that you have the same hell bent agenda on being right, yet using the "5 year old on the playground" insult of Negavol. I'd like to reiterate the fact that I've never heard of such petty bickering from any other fanbase.
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As long as we win, I dont care who is at the helm
 
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luvmuscle77 said:
This whole Nega-Vol thing has me perplexed. Just because someone is angry that the team (they obviously Love and care enough about to go on the internet and criticize) is not performing as Everyone here wants them to, they are labeled as a Nega-Vol. I'm just curious as to where this started, as I have have never heard of a Nega-Tide, Nega-Gator, Nega-Tiger, etc... I believe this whole Nega-Vol stance has been created by some sort of mole, and it seems to be working. That being said, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it must have been started by a certain network, since they f****** hate us.:crazy:
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It's not being angry. Nothing wrong with being upset.

It's predicting failure and then caring more about being right than about the team winning. If you stick around a while, you'll notice that a lot of posters seem to want the team to lose so that their predictions turn out correct.
 
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AJeray4TN said:
Clearly these coaches were jumping at a chance for more stability and long term contracts. I really hope no one here needed to see this article to realize as much.

Unlike some of the hardcore Dooley-bashers however, I think this coaching exodus had more to do with coaches seeking job security and less to do with confidence in Dooley. Either way, this shouldn't be news...
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No one with half a brain. But you get some idiots that say there is no way he will be gone no matter what his record is next year.
 
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FEARinSEC said:
Or that's what Russell told Dooley upon turning in his resignation?
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Doubt it. Dooley's commentary was a PR maneuver. It's not like he's going to blast departing coaches when he knows he had to replace him with another candidate.
 
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