Enough with the excuses!

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99gator said:
I went to the utsports website and counted 55 freshman, redshirt freshman and sophomores on the roster.

I don't know how many are walkons of those 55, but that's a lot.

Say what you want, but this season "youth" is a legitimate cause for concern.
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This ^^^^^^

Any time you have a team with a lot of young players you will see more mistakes and penalties. Also no matter how talented the young players are, they will play a step slower because they are doing more thinking than reacting. Time and reps are the only way to improve young talent.

Also you will find that the skilled position players will adjust faster to the college game.
 
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gogators13 said:
This ^^^^^^

Any time you have a team with a lot of young players you will see more mistakes and penalties. Also no matter how talented the young players are, they will play a step slower because they are doing more thinking than reacting. Time and reps are the only way to improve young talent.

Also you will find that the skilled position players will adjust faster to the college game.
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Yet, these same people that tout these youngsters as being the saviors of the program, readily admit thst they will be better as upperclassmen. The want it both ways.
 
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VolStrom said:
Here's an excuse. Our program became a dumpster fire under Kiffin and Dooley. Thankfully the piece of shat that took us there has been fired. We now have to wait for a good man to unf**k what those two idiots did.

Fulmer got lazy and let the roster decline. He got fired and the two that came after him left us with zilch. Grin and bear it, the future is promising, but we didn't get here overnight and we won't get out of it overnight.
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The program was a dumpster fire when Kiffin arrived. He nor Dooley fixed it... but they didn't put it in the toilet. Fulmer did that.
 
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sjt18 said:
The program was a dumpster fire when Kiffin arrived. He nor Dooley fixed it... but they didn't put it in the toilet. Fulmer did that.
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Have to disagree with the Fulmer statement.... Fulmer was 9-4 and 10 - 4 before he was fired for a 5-7 season. Fulmer had two losing seasons in 17 years. I believe that if Fulmer was never fired and still coaching that UT would have a lot better record the last 5 years.

Keep in mind that the fans held Fulmer to a higher standard because he won a N/C. Sometimes that's a double edge sword for coaches.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Yet, these same people that tout these youngsters as being the saviors of the program, readily admit thst they will be better as upperclassmen. The want it both ways.
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I personally don't think UT is going to start a bunch of Fr and honestly it isn't that uncommon to see true Fr in the two deep. Fr will provide more of UT's depth than typical... so the hope in that regard is that they aren't a typical class.

Last year for the Clemson game, USCe listed 14 Fr in their two deep.

On D, it is possible but not certain that a Fr will start at CB and LB if Weatherd doesn't win that job. Since UT will likely play a lot of nickel with Coleman starting instead of a newcomer at LB... UT may have one starting Fr on D. Talent often overtakes experience so there could be more at the end of the season... but the likely starting D vs USU will have two Fr maximum.

On O, Thomas was so consistently better than some more experienced players (some 4* rated) that he won the RT position. Depending on Downs' recovery, a Fr might start at TE. So there's one almost sure Fr starter on O and possibly a 2nd at TE.
 
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gogators13 said:
Have to disagree with the Fulmer statement.... Fulmer was 9-4 and 10 - 4 before he was fired for a 5-7 season. Fulmer has two losing seasons in 17 years. I believe that if Fulmer was never fired in still coaching that UT would have a lot better record the last 5 years.
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Not being a Vol fan you probably don't have the same memories so you would have to go back and look at the trajectory of the program in addition to the declining results. Discipline within his program was a national joke... that parents of good recruits didn't find funny. Recruiting was WAY off. It was the right decision and he had more than ample time to avoid it but his ego wouldn't let it.

Keep in mind that the fans held Fulmer to a higher standard because he won a N/C. Sometimes that's a double edge sword for coaches.
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Not really. He was no longer competitive at the top of the SEC... and the rest of the SEC was getting better.
 
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gogators13 said:
Have to disagree with the Fulmer statement.... Fulmer was 9-4 and 10 - 4 before he was fired for a 5-7 season. Fulmer has two losing seasons in 17 years. I believe that if Fulmer was never fired in still coaching that UT would have a lot better record the last 5 years.

Keep in mind that the fans held Fulmer to a higher standard because he won a N/C. Sometimes that's a double edge sword for coaches.
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Fulmer took both auburn and lsu to the brink in his last two championship games, one of which was played with rick clausen as his qb because of injuries. Fulmer would have likely gotten us to atlanta once or twice since 2008. There is no way we would be in this sad shape. To compound the problem, we should have hired Cutcliffe when Dooley was hired. He at least would have recruited outstanding qbs. I'm not so sure he should not have been hired when butch was hired but time will tell. I think both are good coaches but likely not hall of famers.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not being a Vol fan you probably don't have the same memories so you would have to go back and look at the trajectory of the program in addition to the declining results. Discipline within his program was a national joke... that parents of good recruits didn't find funny. Recruiting was WAY off. It was the right decision and he had more than ample time to avoid it but his ego wouldn't let it.


Not really. He was no longer competitive at the top of the SEC... and the rest of the SEC was getting better.
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No longer competitive? He won the east in 2007 and changed coaches and systems to his detriment in 2008. The trajectory argument is such bs. All coaches have ebbs and flows if they have long careers.
 
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sjt18 said:
I personally don't think UT is going to start a bunch of Fr and honestly it isn't that uncommon to see true Fr in the two deep. Fr will provide more of UT's depth than typical... so the hope in that regard is that they aren't a typical class.

Last year for the Clemson game, USCe listed 14 Fr in their two deep.

On D, it is possible but not certain that a Fr will start at CB and LB if Weatherd doesn't win that job. Since UT will likely play a lot of nickel with Coleman starting instead of a newcomer at LB... UT may have one starting Fr on D. Talent often overtakes experience so there could be more at the end of the season... but the likely starting D vs USU will have two Fr maximum.

On O, Thomas was so consistently better than some more experienced players (some 4* rated) that he won the RT position. Depending on Downs' recovery, a Fr might start at TE. So there's one almost sure Fr starter on O and possibly a 2nd at TE.
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Let's hope McNeal doesn't start at safety. He is horrible despite his lofty rating in high school. I think we start a juco at dt, one frosh linebacker in bates, at least one frosh in the secondary. I think Mosley and Berry will both start. I think when Maggitt goes to linebacker that a frock will replace him at de. I see two to four frosh starting on defense. I think Hurd starts on offense, Malone plays a lot and starts when we play four wideouts.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Let's hope McNeal doesn't start at safety. He is horrible despite his lofty rating in high school. I think we start a juco at dt, one frosh linebacker in bates, at least one frosh in the secondary. I think Mosley and Berry will both start. I think when Maggitt goes to linebacker that a frock will replace him at de. I see two to four frosh starting on defense. I think Hurd starts on offense, Malone plays a lot and starts when we play four wideouts.
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NO F...ing way Sutton sits at CB
 
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Biopsyman said:
2008- Long time ago
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That depends on how old you are, to me it was yesterday. I also watched Majors efforts to bring the program back from Bill Battles era. That took a long damn time.

I've watched a lot of losing football at Tennessee. I watched Phil Fulmer take over the program and saw instant success, but he also didn't have to start from ground zero.

I think we've found the right coach. Give him a few years and we'll all be happy in a few years.
 
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VolStrom said:
That depends on how old you are, to me it was yesterday. I also watched Majors efforts to bring the program back from Bill Battles era. That took a long damn time.

I've watched a lot of losing football at Tennessee. I watched Phil Fulmer take over the program and saw instant success, but he also didn't have to start from ground zero.

I think we've found the right coach. Give him a few years and we'll all be happy in a few years.
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I agree with you... I have seem a lot as well.. I was just referencing how people just think Fulmer was our coach last week.. Been a while
 
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VolStrom said:
That depends on how old you are, to me it was yesterday. I also watched Majors efforts to bring the program back from Bill Battles era. That took a long damn time.

I've watched a lot of losing football at Tennessee. I watched Phil Fulmer take over the program and saw instant success, but he also didn't have to start from ground zero.

I think we've found the right coach. Give him a few years and we'll all be happy in a few years.
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That's some of these peoples problem is giving a coach time giving a coach a few years. It has to be fixed yesterday lol
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knoxvols11 said:
Going back to Fulmer "we're a young team" and his banter with "the next recruiting class" to Dooleys "we're young bla bla bla" Now, we have Butch following the same pattern! Well, those players should be parents of Jr. High kids by now and all these great recruits should be winning us NCs! No more year zero and other slogans because as of last year Butch and the team got rung all season long beginning with Oregan and let GA off the hook and that's not counting the loss against Fla. I say no more excuses and no more pumping sunshine!
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Another nominee for lamest post of the year.
 
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sjt18 said:
The program was a dumpster fire when Kiffin arrived. He nor Dooley fixed it... but they didn't put it in the toilet. Fulmer did that.
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yet LK managed to win 7 & go to a bowl even after blowing a golden opportunity to win @ Bama and DD managed to stumble into a bowl after an unbelievable loss LSU only to loss to UNC in an equally unbelievable manner
 
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WillisWG said:
yet LK managed to win 7 & go to a bowl even after blowing a golden opportunity to win @ Bama and DD managed to stumble into a bowl after an unbelievable loss LSU only to loss to UNC in an equally unbelievable manner
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Got robbed with J Jansen hit to this day.. Never Helmet to Helmet even on replay- Got screwed without Vaseline that game
 
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gogators13 said:
Have to disagree with the Fulmer statement.... Fulmer was 9-4 and 10 - 4 before he was fired for a 5-7 season. Fulmer had two losing seasons in 17 years. I believe that if Fulmer was never fired and still coaching that UT would have a lot better record the last 5 years.

Keep in mind that the fans held Fulmer to a higher standard because he won a N/C. Sometimes that's a double edge sword for coaches.
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The 2005 season was his mulligan. He deserved that because he is a legend and the only coach to bring home a NC in my lifetime. Cut came back and saved his butt. His last season...well, it was obvious to just about everyone except his immediate family that he...and the entire program...had gotten fat and lazy. Cut was gone. Worse, Coach Fulmer at times exuded a subtle air of entitlement, or so it seemed to me. No fire in the belly, no appropriate sense of urgency. I shouted loudly and often for him to be replaced at the time...though I was appalled at the way Hamilton and Co. did it.

And I would look him in the eye and shake his hand today for what he did for Tennessee football. It seems to me to be useless speculation to wonder where the program would be today if Coach Fulmer had stayed.

Butch Jones is our coach now...and my coach.
 
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MrBiggles said:
Captain Obvious Thread! We are young! how many players went through their first spring practice? 40 or 50? That is a young team!
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Thank you Mr. B....the fact that we are young means a ton. Anybody who thinks CBJ should be fired if we have a bad season is delusional. Do you honestly think we are going to keep firing coaches after two or three years. Even Homer Simpson knows that answer. That's just plain silly.

I get fans are tired of sucking. But have some sense about it...you really going to fault a coach like CBJ with the BRIGADE of freshmen he has...these freshmen are going to be monsters and I love it. most of us just have enough sense to be patient.
 
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#173
People keep mentioning 'should be winning National Championships'..in my lifetime we have won exactly 1, and I am old compared to about 85% on here. Let's attempt a little realism every now and again. CBJ is the answer IMO.
 
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VolStrom said:
That depends on how old you are, to me it was yesterday. I also watched Majors efforts to bring the program back from Bill Battles era. That took a long damn time.

I've watched a lot of losing football at Tennessee. I watched Phil Fulmer take over the program and saw instant success, but he also didn't have to start from ground zero.

I think we've found the right coach. Give him a few years and we'll all be happy in a few years.
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I believe this
 
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