Doug Matthews Roasting the AD hiring process

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amavol2 said:
After reading through reasons why Blackburn or Fulmer weren't hired, it seems fair to say Butch Jones would not have been hired if Davenport would have been Chancellor. It seems funny that the head football coach at UT wouldn't be held to a higher standard than a new AD.
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Something is wrong here, I just can't figure out what or how much.
 
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butchna said:
I think a certain Volnation lot are setting it up perfectly. IF Butch has to be replaced, his replacement has to suck because the AD does. :lol:
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Yup the ole faulty cause premise on the list of common fallacies, I remember it well. Assuming one thing necessarily follows another.
 
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amavol2 said:
After reading through reasons why Blackburn or Fulmer weren't hired, it seems fair to say Butch Jones would not have been hired if Davenport would have been Chancellor. It seems funny that the head football coach at UT wouldn't be held to a higher standard than a new AD.
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so we should fire butch because the chancellor that was hired 4 years after butch wouldn't have approved a hire that she in no way shape or form would have had a hand in making?

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jakez4ut said:
so we should fire butch because the chancellor that was hired 4 years after butch wouldn't have approved a hire that she in no way shape or form would have had a hand in making?

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No not saying that, just if she wants a coach with power 5 experience, she wouldn't have hired Butch, and if Butch is let go will she only hire power 5 experienced coach.
 
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amavol2 said:
No not saying that, just if she wants a coach with power 5 experience, she wouldn't have hired Butch, and if Butch is let go will she only hire power 5 experienced coach.
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she won't be hiring the coach, currie would, if she has to make the decision on who the AD should hire then she made an awful hire for the AD spot.:thumbsup:
 
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jakez4ut said:
she won't be hiring the coach, currie would, if she has to make the decision on who the AD should hire then she made an awful hire for the AD spot.:thumbsup:
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Fair enough, do you think she will tell the ad she would like for him to hire power 5 experience?
 
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Davenport may not hire the next coach but she will have influence, but only the influence Haslam allows her to have.
 
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amavol2 said:
Fair enough, do you think she will tell the ad she would like for him to hire power 5 experience?
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amavol2 said:
Davenport may not hire the next coach but she will have influence, but only the influence Haslam allows her to have.
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if she went out of her way to require p5 experience, then i'd at least assume that's because that type of AD would have experience dealing with boosters and aligning money to make those kinds of decisions.

so,i don't think she'd tell him what to do or not. but i don't think she'll be completely hands off either. ultimately part of her success will be based on whether or not Currie is successful.

the good news for them both is it appears that the bottom line will still rule all, so i think at worst, she may give him some "guidance" on the budget for making such a hire. meaning if he came and said "hey we can hire Nick Saban for $8.5 mill/year, she may say "whoa fella, how do you plan on paying for that, and a staff?"

but it's all conjecture. it's all so early, so new...no way to know how all these dynamics are going to play together.
 
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butchna said:
Football programs really aren't that fragile. Penn State, USC and (in the future) Baylor take huge personnel losses and recover in practically no time. This guy pisses off a few people and it ain't going to affect the product on the field. You telling me other AD's would survive the TMZ treatment unscathed? Get to the top and you've bruised somebody to get there. We'll be just fine but don't stop fretting...it works for you. :thumbsup:
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Always use someone else's hand to plant the daggers.
 
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amavol2 said:
No not saying that, just if she wants a coach with power 5 experience, she wouldn't have hired Butch, and if Butch is let go will she only hire power 5 experienced coach.
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Funny thing is, if we had the same criteria for hiring chancellor, she would not have been hired!!!
 
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I don't believe for a second that Davenport had any meaningful say in the hire of Currie. As many have posted the deed is done and they could've made a much worse hire. Besides which as long as Big Jim is on this side of the dirt it apparently does not matter who has the title because he's going to be making the important decisions.
 
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volnpowell said:
Funny thing is, if we had the same criteria for hiring chancellor, she would not have been hired!!!
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yep, and again, when she made her first statement regarding hiring the AD, all she really said is that it's a complex job and having adminstrative experience would matter.

only after currie was hired, was it then upgraded to "sitting P5 AD" experience.

which at the very least leaves the door open for what role she really had in making the decision, ultimately.

if sitting P5 AD was a prerequisite for this job, she could have quelled all the Fulmer and Blackburn talk by stating that up front, and not even going thru the cursory interview process with them both in NY.

this whole thing smells. and as usual, we're all left scratching our heads as to who in the heck is in charge over there???

and we all know the answer.
 
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jakez4ut said:
yep, and again, when she made her first statement regarding hiring the AD, all she really said is that it's a complex job and having adminstrative experience would matter.

only after currie was hired, was it then upgraded to "sitting P5 AD" experience.

which at the very least leaves the door open for what role she really had in making the decision, ultimately.

if sitting P5 AD was a prerequisite for this job, she could have quelled all the Fulmer and Blackburn talk by stating that up front, and not even going thru the cursory interview process with them both in NY.

this whole thing smells. and as usual, we're all left scratching our heads as to who in the heck is in charge over there???

and we all know the answer.
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I agree that the whole thing smells to be sure, on multiple levels.

However, she did state it up front, it was discussed many times. Which makes it all the more curious as to why either Fulmer or Blackburn were talked to/interviewed at any level.....and then strung along like they were. She said from the get that "a sitting AD" and "P5 experience" were the minimum qualifications. And now in hindsight, it's beyond clear why those were the 2 stated prerequisites....to make sure neither Blackburn nor Fulmer would be hired.

Btw, Big Jim Haslam is in charge over there.
 
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KBVol said:
I agree that the whole thing smells to be sure, on multiple levels.

However, she did state it up front, it was discussed many times. Which makes it all the more curious as to why either Fulmer or Blackburn were talked to/interviewed at any level.....and then strung along like they were. She said from the get that "a sitting AD" and "P5 experience" were the minimum qualifications. And now in hindsight, it's beyond clear why those were the 2 stated prerequisites....to make sure neither Blackburn nor Fulmer would be hired.

Btw, Big Jim Haslam is in charge over there.
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i know. that was my implication.

and i don't recall her ever saying that it had to be a sitting P5 AD prior to hiring Currie. any link? if i'm wrong, so be it, i just think that would have gotten a little more play at that time, and lessened the reaction to the actual hire.
 
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KBVol said:
I agree that the whole thing smells to be sure, on multiple levels.

However, she did state it up front, it was discussed many times. Which makes it all the more curious as to why either Fulmer or Blackburn were talked to/interviewed at any level.....and then strung along like they were. She said from the get that "a sitting AD" and "P5 experience" were the minimum qualifications. And now in hindsight, it's beyond clear why those were the 2 stated prerequisites....to make sure neither Blackburn nor Fulmer would be hired.

Btw, Big Jim Haslam is in charge over there.
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She probably didn't start speaking publicly on this matter until around Feb 15 / well after anyone on VN or elsewhere started making posts such as "Ful mer to be named A D" (about Jan 16) or whatever, so at least consider this point.

Here's a reminder of the timeline, and what this source reported she said (emphasis on many speculated):

"On Aug. 18, 2016, current Tennessee athletic director Dave Hart announced his retirement, prompting the university to begin the search for a new commander of athletics.

After the announcement, many speculated that former UT senior associate athletic director for administration and current Chattanooga athletic director David Blackburn would be a shoo-in for the job.

However, since January 2017, multiple reports have stated that former UT head coach Phillip Fulmer would be the one given the job.

Although there were reports released over the weekend that the job had Blackburn and Fulmer listed as its finalists, Davenport assured that the search is still ongoing and that there are “absolutely no” finalists for the job.

“First, I’m looking for the very best talent,” Davenport said. “This AD job is one of the best jobs in the country, so there is stiff competition for this job. We’ll be looking for the very best person we can find.

“I’m not going to speak about any specific candidate … We have a search consultant for a reason. They are experts. They know the people who are out there.”"


Athletic director search could be nearing completion | Sports | utdailybeacon.com
 
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jakez4ut said:
i know. that was my implication.

and i don't recall her ever saying that it had to be a sitting P5 AD prior to hiring Currie. any link? if i'm wrong, so be it, i just think that would have gotten a little more play at that time, and lessened the reaction to the actual hire.
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Still haven't HEARD her say it. Reports reports reports. :loco:
 
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Everybody loves the old boys club when they are a member. Nobody likes it when they are on the outside. It's political and money talks. The average American blue colar person is taught life is fair and we are all on a level playing field. Nothing could be furtherv from the truth. At least in this country you have an opportunity to reverse the fortune of your birth. Not so everywhere. So if you want to pick the AD go ahead and out bid Haslam. Although, it would be nicer if we all had a vote.
USA USA USA USA...This concludes today's editorial, fake news etc.
 
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jakez4ut said:
heard or read? either way....anything predating currie being announced will suffice.:p
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From Volquest....

https://tennessee.rivals.com/news/sources-say-currie-to-tennessee

The pertinent quote from Hubbs....

"She made it clear from the beginning that she wanted a Power 5 sitting AD....."


Perhaps I've "heard" it rather than read it. But Hubbs is by no means the only one I'd heard it from for weeks....Hubbs, Hyams, Mathews at least. Thought it was common knowledge to be honest.
 
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KBVol said:
From Volquest....

https://tennessee.rivals.com/news/sources-say-currie-to-tennessee

The pertinent quote from Hubbs....

"She made it clear from the beginning that she wanted a Power 5 sitting AD....."


Perhaps I've "heard" it rather than read it. But Hubbs is by no means the only one I'd heard it from for weeks....Hubbs, Hyams, Mathews at least. Thought it was common knowledge to be honest.
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So she discussed it openly with them? Or did they "hear" it from someone who said they heard her say it? Common knowledge is kind of convoluted in this case.
 
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