Doug Matthews just reiterated...

#526
#526
VolunteerHillbilly said:
I listened to as much DM as I could this morning. I think I heard all of the OC talk and he's said two things:

1. CJP knows who he is hiring; and
2. If they thought it would help with recruiting to announce an OC before ESD, they would so announce.

Also, I did not hear any of the 95% done, just 'CJP knows who he is hiring.'

Reading between lines 1 and 2, I only see three options:

A. High school coach.
B. Promote from within.
C. A current assistant who either has a less than stellar track record at OC or has never been an OC before. If it is C, it is not someone who has a reputation as a good recruiter.

BOHICA folks :(
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You didn’t read between lines. You just wanted to whine and pout. Good news, you succeeded
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
I don't think we as fans are entitled to anything but im also a firm believer that in order for Pruitt to be successful that Fulmer needs to stay the hell out of the way. The stories midseason about Fulmer watching, grading film and coaching the OL are troublesome.
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Matthews is on record saying "Fulmer told him that this hire is 100% on Pruitt". Fulmer and Matthews shared an office for 10 years when they worked together as coaches at UT. I believe 100% that Matthews has some solid information about this hire and it should be known pretty soon.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
I actually don't think Pruitt is making this hire on his own, I think Fulmer has inserted himself into this thing
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What makes you think? Maybe Pruitt asked him to. Maybe he's letting Pruitt do it alone. Maybe they hate each other. Who knows, but a lot of people are roasting PF over what they "think" "might" be happening. Nobody knows anything. Maybe nobody wants the job. If I was a rising star OC, I'd probably run from this o line
 
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#529
SmokyRiverDog said:
He was asked to stop performing football coaching duties in Knoxville (and everywhere else) for a reason. He should continue avoiding what he evolved to do poorly enough to be fired and never asked to do again, by anyone.
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I will jump in here - at the risk that this won't end well - and say: I was for his firing at the time. We had become stale, and I felt we needed a change. Then, he did not accept another job at a smaller school, because he had always been a Vol, and didn't feel like starting over.

Looking back, he probably deserved a chance at another SEC school, but for whatever reason, it didn't happen.

All that said, I see no reason to think that he is not capable of coaching the OL. Is it an unusual situation? Yes, but if Pruitt is good with it, I see no reason why he could not jump in there and lend a hand.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I listened to as much DM as I could this morning. I think I heard all of the OC talk and he's said two things:

1. CJP knows who he is hiring; and
2. If they thought it would help with recruiting to announce an OC before ESD, they would so announce.

Also, I did not hear any of the 95% done, just 'CJP knows who he is hiring.'

Reading between lines 1 and 2, I only see three options:

A. High school coach.
B. Promote from within.
C. A current assistant who either has a less than stellar track record at OC or has never been an OC before. If it is C, it is not someone who has a reputation as a good recruiter.

BOHICA folks :(
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Thus it would most likely have a negative impact.

Here is to another lukewarm hiring decision by Tennessee Football!
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MurphyVol said:
What makes you think? Maybe Pruitt asked him to. Maybe he's letting Pruitt do it alone. Maybe they hate each other. Who knows, but a lot of people are roasting PF over what the "think" "might" be happening. Nobody knows anything. Maybe nobody wants the job.
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I won't get into the their level of hate for PF, don't agree with it but have learned to accept it.
They could read 500 updates stating this is Pruitt's decision and all they're going to see is proof of Fulmer hurting us.

And I even like the guy you're responding to but for those guys, hating Fulmer is akin to a religion. No point in interfering. "Death to the big infidel" type stuff.
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i2amavol said:
I will jump in here - at the risk that this won't end well - and say: I was for his firing at the time. We had become stale, and I felt we needed a change. Then, he did not accept another job at a smaller school, because he had always been a Vol, and didn't feel like starting over.

Looking back, he probably deserved a chance at another SEC school, but for whatever reason, it didn't happen.

All that said, I see no reason to think that he is not capable of coaching the OL. Is it an unusual situation? Yes, but if Pruitt is good with it, I see no reason why he could not jump in there and lend a hand.
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I also wanted a change at the time but hindsight is 20/20. We should have either kept him and let things play out or picked a solid hire behind the scenes and let Fulmer “retire”.

Looking back, I believe he would have rebounded and gave us a few more solid years.

Saban changed the game and has made a lot of good coaches look bad when I’m fact if Saban were not around the SEC would be less lopsided.
 
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i2amavol said:
I will jump in here - at the risk that this won't end well - and say: I was for his firing at the time. We had become stale, and I felt we needed a change. Then, he did not accept another job at a smaller school, because he had always been a Vol, and didn't feel like starting over.

Looking back, he probably deserved a chance at another SEC school, but for whatever reason, it didn't happen.

All that said, I see no reason to think that he is not capable of coaching the OL. Is it an unusual situation? Yes, but if Pruitt is good with it, I see no reason why he could not jump in there and lend a hand.
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Because old coaches interfering with new coaches never ends well.
 
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chargervol said:
Or..
1.Relationships are hugely important to recruits and throwing someone at a kid with a week to go, isn't going to help.

2. to get someone new recruiting credentials, they have to take those credentials from someone the kids already have a relationship with.

3. DM doesn't actually know anything.
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I would think for #2 we have Helton's set of spare keys that we could hand to anyone who is currently cleared to recruit on the road by the NCAA. Is Fulmer out there right now? I don't know who our 10th man is.

#3 is possible, but unlikely given his primary source.

#1 maybe? Kids nowadays are hyper-reactive and attention spans are short. There's probably a decent argument that, if you have someone that you know will be considered a splash, you wait and announce this Monday or Tuesday just to try and turn the world upside down and flip some kids before they have time to rethink.
 
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MurphyVol said:
What makes you think? Maybe Pruitt asked him to. Maybe he's letting Pruitt do it alone. Maybe they hate each other. Who knows, but a lot of people are roasting PF over what they "think" "might" be happening. Nobody knows anything. Maybe nobody wants the job. If I was a rising star OC, I'd probably run from this o line
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Lot of smoke that Freeze was CJP's first choice.
 
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chargervol said:
Lol, c'mon man. If we'd hired Patterson etc; we would have been playing for the SEC championship the season after kiffin.

Nothing in the last 10 years it still on Fulmer, no matter how much you want it to be.
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Not the point. Fulmer put us in the hole. That’s the point. The crappy hires since aren’t Fulmer’s fault. But his negligence and complacency as HC, is still why we’re here to begin with.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I would think for #2 we have Helton's set of spare keys that we could hand to anyone who is currently cleared to recruit on the road by the NCAA. Is Fulmer out there right now? I don't know who our 10th man is.

#3 is possible, but unlikely given his primary source.

#1 maybe? Kids nowadays are hyper-reactive and attention spans are short. There's probably a decent argument that, if you have someone that you know will be considered a splash, you wait and announce this Monday or Tuesday just to try and turn the world upside down and flip some kids before they have time to rethink.
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Not sure which 10 it is without going back and looking at the moment. But you're definitely not pulling someone off that has built a relationship with these kids. A month ago, sure, but not now.
 
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MurphyVol said:
Numerous 7 figure OC jobs open and none took Freeze. Maybe the rumors of his issues at Briarcrest high school and the "Victims of Hugh Freeze" Facebook page played a part in that
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Maybe CJP wasn't worried about that but ADPF was? If that's the case, the it really wasn't CJP's decision. I did hear Doug state something to the effect that this was CJP's hire EXCEPT for a couple of considerations that the AD might have. Someday, Freeze will probably tell the story.
 
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volfanbill said:
Not the point. Fulmer put us in the hole. That’s the point. The crappy hires since aren’t Fulmer’s fault. But his negligence and complacency as HC, is still why we’re here to begin with.
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No it's not why we're here.
Other coaches have been let go for the game passing them by. We weren't in some giant hole that was too monumental to climb out of.
No matter how happy you were to see him go, we should have been just fine.
 
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#548
VolunteerHillbilly said:
Maybe CJP wasn't worried about that but ADPF was? If that's the case, the it really wasn't CJP's decision. I did hear Doug state something to the effect that this was CJP's hire EXCEPT for a couple of considerations that the AD might have. Someday, Freeze will probably tell the story.
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Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe the girls saying Freeze tried to get them to change clothes in his office made everything up. Maybe they didn't. All I know is UT, FSU and Bama all went a different route and Liberty is an odd spot for a coach of his level
 
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#549
chargervol said:
Not sure which 10 it is without going back and looking at the moment. But you're definitely not pulling someone off that has built a relationship with these kids. A month ago, sure, but not now.
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I just assume that Helton was an outside recruiter and that someone within the AD got plugged into his slot in the last few weeks, maybe Fulmer, maybe someone else. Presumably, whoever took over for Helton on the road is a GA, analyst, or AD staffer who doesn't have some deep relationship with the prospects where you can't replace them with your new OC. I'm just making a logical assumption. You may be correct.
 
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#550
columbia vol said:
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So after 1 year removed from the SEC championship game , a 5-7 season has taken 10 years to dig out of? Really? Good lord
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Backended into the SEC Championship Game. It sounds so cute to say SECCG, but we lost to UF, Bama, Cal and then LSU that season. Had a four loss disappointing season the year prior, and a 5 win season prior. But let’s not deal with facts.
 
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