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#76
#76
Vols N Shocks said:
The last NC we won, was when we had a versatile QB on the field in Tee Martin. Yet for some reason CPF feels it necessary to go after NFL style QB's. Go back and look at all the great college QB's who never made it in the NFL, and all the NFL greats who didn't have very hot college careers.
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Fulmer also said that if Tee Martin had shown much in the passing game, that title never would have happened. The uncertainty over his ability to run a more pro-type offense led to a heavy reliance upon the running game, which relieved the pressure on Martin by creating more 1-on-1 situations that he could flourish in.

Now, if I go back through the last few years, here's who we get.
2007 -- Flynn (limited running ability)
2006 -- Tebow (limited option), Leak (eek!)
2005 -- Young (lots of option)
2004 -- Leinart (limited running ability)
2003 -- Mauck (limited running ability)
2002 -- Krenzel (limited running ability)
2001 -- Dorsey (limited running ability)
2000 -- Heupel (limited running ability)
1999 -- Weinke (limited running ability)
1998 -- Martin (limited option)

There's no actual correlation between a quarterback's ability to run and the team's success. The greatest correlation comes from an offense matched to the overall offense's ability to maximize the efficiency of the offense.

Vols N Shocks said:
We need a west coast style offense, with option play from a QB who can run, and who can throw short passes. Its a proven college style of play, and CPF's run it down their throat mentality has long been ineffective.
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That's a proven college style of play? The so-called "West Coast offense" (I assume you mean Bill Walsh's short passing game) combined with option. I'd love that if I'm a defensive coordinator. It'd be an easy scouting report and an easy week of practice followed by an easy win.

"Okay guys, we're going to bring those safeties up to go 9 in the box, man up, and attack inside-out." That offense wouldn't score 10 points against my defense, and I'm not even a defensive coordinator.
 
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#77
#77
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Gerald Jones in at QB = Option offense

There is no getting around it that it's just an option offense when Jones is in. Crouch was the starting QB, but why should that matter when we are discussing passing the ball with a running QB?? Crouch wasn't a pocket passer at all and neither is Jones. So what Nebraska ran and what we run when Jones is in is essentially the same offense with everything taken into consideration.
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I can't even begin to tell you how wrong this is.

Nebraska's base offense was an I-formation that was about 40% option and 15-25% passing depending on who was back there. Something like what Texas ran with Vince Young was roughly 15% option and 55% passing (with a good number of unplanned draws and scrambles out of that). And that doesn't include the monumental differences in personnel, formations, or even the most basic skills of quarterbacking.

A closer parallel to Nebraska would be Syracuse with Donovan McNabb.
 
#78
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utmba93 said:
That should be enough to discredit HS tapes from this point forward.
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It's no different than statistical analysis: you have to know what you're looking for and you need to be able to normalize and adjust.

There are two things I would be looking for out of a HS quarterback. One is accuracy, the other is ability to recognize defenses and adjust accordingly.
 
#79
#79
kptvol said:
The read option from the shotgun is a little different than what Nebraska ran. Nebraska also ran the option as it's base offense. Thus, they obviously needed some variety. Also, Crouch was recruited because of his ability to play QB. Gerald was brought in as a WR and just happens to be pretty good in the shotgun.
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Nebraska's base was the I-formation; the option may have been the primary play, but the real bread-and-butter was what they called 34/35 trap. They'd use the option the same way Spurrier uses the pass, which is to set up a home run on the ground. Nebraska would go option one way, option the other, option again, maybe an off-tackle for good measure, then option, option, option pass, option, then trap. They'd go outside and still get 3-5 yards a pop, then hit the trap for 20+.

The shotgun is really no more difficult to defend than any other offense. In fact, I'd dare say I'd use one adjustment to mess it up from the start that I couldn't go in an offense that has the quarterback under center.

In theory, the shotgun would be king for a variety of reasons. But it also presents enough inherent disadvantages by alignment that it's no more difficult than anything else, all things else being equal.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
Nebraska's base was the I-formation; the option may have been the primary play, but the real bread-and-butter was what they called 34/35 trap.
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Otherwise known as "that play Nebraska kept gashing us with in the '98 Orange Bowl".
 
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kptvol said:
Being able to throw a good pass doesn't make one a good QB.
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Arkansas's passing game was a lot more effective last year with Darren McFadden throwing passes than with Casey Dick throwing them.

If I were coach, Berry and Jones would be a part of every offensive play.
 
#85
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Vols N Shocks said:
The last NC we won, was when we had a versatile QB on the field in Tee Martin. Yet for some reason CPF feels it necessary to go after NFL style QB's. Go back and look at all the great college QB's who never made it in the NFL, and all the NFL greats who didn't have very hot college careers.

We need a west coast style offense, with option play from a QB who can run, and who can throw short passes. Its a proven college style of play, and CPF's run it down their throat mentality has long been ineffective.
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We need a west coast option offense? Or maybe we could go with the single wing power I. Or maybe we could try the run and shoot spread.

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Step 2: write
 
#86
#86
g8terh8ter_eric said:
That's not even close to true. We haven't had a decent run blocking offensive line since 04 to even attempt to "run it down their throats". Remember Riggs/Houston, that was a pretty good year running the ball.
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Except for the park about Houston tripping over yard lines on every other play and Riggs having the lateral movement of an amtrak.
 
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#88
GAVol said:
Otherwise known as "that play Nebraska kept gashing us with in the '98 Orange Bowl".
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'00 Fiesta Bowl as well. I think it was 21-14 Nebraska, they were pinned inside their own 10, and ran the trap for about 70 yards. I think it was Willie Miller, and I also think that he was past the safeties before anyone realized he had the ball.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
I can't even begin to tell you how wrong this is.

Nebraska's base offense was an I-formation that was about 40% option and 15-25% passing depending on who was back there. Something like what Texas ran with Vince Young was roughly 15% option and 55% passing (with a good number of unplanned draws and scrambles out of that). And that doesn't include the monumental differences in personnel, formations, or even the most basic skills of quarterbacking.

A closer parallel to Nebraska would be Syracuse with Donovan McNabb.
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Like I said, you can slice it and dice it all you want, but when you get down to it Jones runs an option offense when he is at QB. Right now he only does two things, run the ball or hand-off/pitch the ball. So really, it's a QB choice offense with the option to pass.
 
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#92
kidbourbon said:
But more have had success with a mobile QB.
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I doubt it, but I'm not sure how to go about proving it. The list of the last ten or so national champions has a hell of a lot more dropback passers than scramblers.
 
#93
#93
justingroves said:
Except the G-Gun isn't a failure
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I agree. It probably works about the way it's supposed to. It's just that when it does fail, it puts the offense in long down and distances which we are horrific at converting.
 
#94
#94
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Like I said, you can slice it and dice it all you want, but when you get down to it Jones runs an option offense when he is at QB. Right now he only does two things, run the ball or hand-off/pitch the ball. So really, it's a QB choice offense with the option to pass.
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You can't slice it and dice into a triple option offense. That's just not what it is.
 
#95
#95
I do not care how you do it...Just control the clock, do not turn the ball over, and play smashmouth football...That is what has to be done to win this weekend...The less that UGA has the ball the better our chance are...USE THE CLOCK TO OUR ADVANTAGE G-Gun or not!...Beat Georgia!!!
 
#96
#96
kptvol said:
You can't slice it and dice into a triple option offense. That's just not what it is.
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I'd actually like to see Jones up under center. I think he could possibly be very effective running more of a traditional option with somebody lined up behind him as a a dive back.
 
#97
#97
GAVol said:
I agree. It probably works about the way it's supposed to. It's just that when it does fail, it puts the offense in long down and distances which we are horrific at converting.
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Doesn't our normal offense typically put us in long down and distances as well? Sort of kidding, but not really. I don't think scrapping the G-gun would help our offense in any way.
 
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