Doubled barrel g-gun

#51
#51
g8terh8ter_eric said:
That's not even close to true. We haven't had a decent run blocking offensive line since 04 to even attempt to "run it down their throats". Remember Riggs/Houston, that was a pretty good year running the ball.
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These guys bench press so much weight they get off the ground quickly after the play is over, but do they ever do squats?
 
#52
#52
g8terh8ter_eric said:
He's attempted 2 passes in games since his Senior year in high school. Not quit the percentage to base an accurate opinion on.
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I'm not trying to evaluate him. I'm trying to tell you he isn't going to be throwing the ball too much more.
 
#53
#53
utmba93 said:
These guys bench press so much weight they get off the ground quickly after the play is over, but do they ever do squats?
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I don't care if you can bench press a house if you can't downfield and block in a zone blocking scheme like we have. We would be much better having lighter faster O-lineman at this point if we are going to continue doing what we are trying. I'm pretty sure we went to zone-blocking right??
 
#54
#54
kptvol said:
I'm not trying to evaluate him. I'm trying to tell you he isn't going to be throwing the ball too much more.
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So why not just have him at RB then if that's all he is. I would rather see him on a screen pass with blockers in front.
 
#55
#55
g8terh8ter_eric said:
I don't care if you can bench press a house if you can't downfield and block in a zone blocking scheme like we have. We would be much better having lighter faster O-lineman at this point if we are going to continue doing what we are trying. I'm pretty sure we went to zone-blocking right??
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I'm just questioning leg strength.... there's no push. True, they may have slow feet too.
 
#56
#56
g8terh8ter_eric said:
So why not just have him at RB then if that's all he is. I would rather see him on a screen pass with blockers in front.
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What? Think how many games we've used the G-gun. How many games did it take until Gerald threw it? How successful have his pass attempts been? Think about it. Fulmer/Cutcliffe/Clawson/someone wasn't comfortable with Gerald slinging the ball. He got the opportunity to win his doubters on the staff over, and I don't think he's done that.
 
#57
#57
g8terh8ter_eric said:
So why not just have him at RB then if that's all he is. I would rather see him on a screen pass with blockers in front.
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The screen was the most missed play against UCLA. And, your point that we can't just run from the gun is valid.

Tebow is about the only guy I can remember, besides Ronnie Brown who made something that predictable work.
 
#58
#58
kptvol said:
What? Think how many games we've used the G-gun. How many games did it take until Gerald threw it? How successful have his pass attempts been? Think about it. Fulmer/Cutcliffe/Clawson/someone wasn't comfortable with Gerald slinging the ball. He got the opportunity to win his doubters on the staff over, and I don't think he's done that.
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When you don't take any first team snaps during practice, it's hard to win anyone over. I'm not saying he's a QB per say, but even Eric Crouch had to throw it at Nebraska.
 
#59
#59
utmba93 said:
The screen was the most missed play against UCLA. And, your point that we can't just run from the gun is valid.

Tebow is about the only guy I can remember, besides Ronnie Brown who made something that predictable work.
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It's still averaging over 8 yards per play this season. I'd say last year's success was comparable.
 
#60
#60
kptvol said:
What? Think how many games we've used the G-gun. How many games did it take until Gerald threw it? How successful have his pass attempts been? Think about it. Fulmer/Cutcliffe/Clawson/someone wasn't comfortable with Gerald slinging the ball. He got the opportunity to win his doubters on the staff over, and I don't think he's done that.
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The first pass was the one that Taylor dropped, right? What happened on the second one?
 
#61
#61
g8terh8ter_eric said:
When you don't take any first team snaps during practice, it's hard to win anyone over. I'm not saying he's a QB per say, but even Eric Crouch had to throw it at Nebraska.
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Eric Crouch was the starting QB. The Huskers also ran a very very different system. That's a different situation.
 
#63
#63
kptvol said:
Eric Crouch was the starting QB. The Huskers also ran a very very different system. That's a different situation.
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Gerald Jones in at QB = Option offense

There is no getting around it that it's just an option offense when Jones is in. Crouch was the starting QB, but why should that matter when we are discussing passing the ball with a running QB?? Crouch wasn't a pocket passer at all and neither is Jones. So what Nebraska ran and what we run when Jones is in is essentially the same offense with everything taken into consideration.
 
#64
#64
The read option from the shotgun is a little different than what Nebraska ran. Nebraska also ran the option as it's base offense. Thus, they obviously needed some variety. Also, Crouch was recruited because of his ability to play QB. Gerald was brought in as a WR and just happens to be pretty good in the shotgun.
 
#65
#65
kptvol said:
The read option from the shotgun is a little different than what Nebraska ran. Nebraska also ran the option as it's base offense. Thus, they obviously needed some variety. Also, Crouch was recruited because of his ability to play QB. Gerald was brought in as a WR and just happens to be pretty good in the shotgun.
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Just wondering if you have watched Jones' tape over at Rivals?? He can throw the ball. He may have rushed for 2,000 yards his senior year, but he can throw it. When Jones is in, the option/spread or whatever variation you can come up with is what we run. We also need some variety in the G-Gun to keep it viable.
 
#66
#66
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Just wondering if you have watched Jones' tape over at Rivals?? He can throw the ball. He may have rushed for 2,000 yards his senior year, but he can throw it. When Jones is in, the option/spread or whatever variation you can come up with is what we run. We also need some variety in the G-Gun to keep it viable.
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The G-Gun has like two plays that don't go for a decent gain and all of a sudden everyone is freaking out. I'd like Gerald to attempt a few passes, provided his running ability causes some coverage mismatches. However, we've not worried about the pass for a long time in that formation and it's been pretty consistently successful. I'd say somewhere in the playbook is something designed for Gerald to run right and the launch the ball deep just before he gets to the line of scrimmage. Until then, he's shown me enough ability to where I've got confidence he'll get positive yardage even if he tells the defense exactly where he's going to run.

As for Gerald's tapes, I watched them when we were recruiting him. Anyway, remember that Crompton looked like a phenomenal passer against high school defenses.
 
#67
#67
kptvol said:
The G-Gun has like two plays that don't go for a decent gain and all of a sudden everyone is freaking out. I'd like Gerald to attempt a few passes, provided his running ability causes some coverage mismatches. However, we've not worried about the pass for a long time in that formation and it's been pretty consistently successful. I'd say somewhere in the playbook is something designed for Gerald to run right and the launch the ball deep just before he gets to the line of scrimmage. Until then, he's shown me enough ability to where I've got confidence he'll get positive yardage even if he tells the defense exactly where he's going to run.

As for Gerald's tapes, I watched them when we were recruiting him. Anyway, remember that Crompton looked like a phenomenal passer against high school defenses.
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Crompton was overrated coming out of high school and it has been shown. I read many places that year where he was said as being overrated. Bringing Crompton into this conversation is just plain bad. :)
 
#69
#69
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Crompton was overrated coming out of high school and it has been shown. I read many places that year where he was said as being overrated. Bringing Crompton into this conversation is just plain bad. :)
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I'm sure plenty of Florida fans decided Gerald Jones was really overrated right after he selected Tennessee.
 
#71
#71
Ohio Vol said:
Agreed.

If you want to see innovative, you should see what I've just put the finishing touches on. I have no intention of actually letting it see the light of day until I'm in full unchallenged control of an offense. It's not even going to be seen in pieces.

Understand a large part of my offensive skill is derived from my paranoia. I'm not satisfied with a particular play unless I can see how it would be possible to hammer basically every type of defense and blitz known to man. And when I can visualize this entire playbook on the field, it gives me wood.:crazy:
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Its been innovative enough to get over 5 yards a play.
 
#72
#72
g8terh8ter_eric said:
I know they tried to trash him after that, but I don't think that I remember anything about being overrated.
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I'm sure it happened. I suddenly remember Jimmy Clausen becoming very overrated the moment he started favoring the Irish.
 
#73
#73
utmba93 said:
That should be enough to discredit HS tapes from this point forward.
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I think Randy Sanders was watching that film. Also, remind how successful Sanders has been without Woodson and his WR's this year?? Sanders did recruit Crompton.
 
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#75
#75
g8terh8ter_eric said:
I think Randy Sanders was watching that film. Also, remind how successful Sanders has been without Woodson and his WR's this year?? Sanders did recruit Crompton.
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So did Steve Spurrier and a host of great coaches. Mike Hartline has actually done alright this year, albeit against pretty weak competition. He didn't look so hot against Bama, but then again neither did Matt Stafford or Cullen Harper. The jury is still out on Randy's coaching job this season.
 
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