Dormady's playing time.

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KBVol said:
Are Dobbs or Jones fast in your opinion?
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Apparently the difference between fast and slow is somewhere around 7/100th. Who knew?

What's the difference between quick and....uhm....not quick?
 
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'Boro-vol said:
1. You misrepresented what I said. I clearly stated that Dobbs is the starter because he has been in the system AND has the valuable experience that only comes with playing in games....he's an upper-classman.

2. You contradicted yourself. " Dormady and Dobbs times are on par and Dormady is bigger than Dobbs as a freshman" and " QD is a fine athlete but not on par with Dobbs as of now " don't jive. I'm guessing you've never watched QD's Senior Hudl highlights. You likely would not assert this.

3. The rest of your assertions are as baseless as someone saying Dormady will take Dobbs job by mid-season. Neither of you have any way to ground that statement in anything factual....especially the assertion that he will transfer.

And....for the record, you may not have, but several here have asserted that he is not suited for this offense because of....well, we know what they meant.
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1. Dobbs is the starter because he is better and nothing else.

2. Dobbs and Dormady's times are on par as freshmen, but Dormady came in bigger than Dobbs, But Dormady isn't on par with Dobbs right now by any means. QD's Senior Hudl highlights was against high school competition and this is the SEC so yes my assertion was correct.

3. Dormady will not uproot a player who is far better suited for the offense right now (nothing to so with speed or race). In trhis thread I never said he would transfer I said he will play here or somewhere else if he doesn't get a shot here (that is a fair assumption considering he is a talented QB).

And to your last statement I said "no one in this thread has said that he isn't suited for this offense" I can't speak outside of this thread as to what people are saying.

So I don't feel any of my assertions were out of line, just because I didn't agree with you doesn't qualify me as wrong. Go Vols!!!
 
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johnrlansford said:
1. Dobbs is the starter because he is better and nothing else.

2. Dobbs and Dormady's times are on par as freshmen, but Dormady came in bigger than Dobbs, But Dormady isn't on par with Dobbs right now by any means. QD's Senior Hudl highlights was against high school competition and this is the SEC so yes my assertion was correct.

3. Dormady will not uproot a player who is far better suited for the offense right now (nothing to so with speed or race). In trhis thread I never said he would transfer I said he will play here or somewhere else if he doesn't get a shot here (that is a fair assumption considering he is a talented QB).

And to your last statement I said "no one in this thread has said that he isn't suited for this offense" I can't speak outside of this thread as to what people are saying.

So I don't feel any of my assertions were out of line, just because I didn't agree with you doesn't qualify me as wrong. Go Vols!!!
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1. Baseless assertion #2. "Better" is a subjective statement leaving many variables. We don't know, if all things were equal....for example: time on campus, in the system, game experience who would be better. We all have our opinions, but don't know. What we do know is Dobbs is an upperclassman, having been on campus 2 years and started multiple games, with varying success.....which was my point.

2. Your logic defies....well....logic. Do you have information that Dobbs is significantly faster or quicker now than when he arrived? Do have information that Dormady is not? Was the Hudl film for either QB not relevant when comparing them to other recruits, or is it only not relevant now. It's a sliding scale to be sure, but Dormady's speed relative to his competition in High School is indicative of potential.

3. Why is Dobbs " far better suited for this offense right now", outside of being an upperclassman who has 2 years on campus? What do you think you know about this offense that the coaches don't. They seem perfectly comfortable with the idea of QD as their QB....since they recruited him, raved about him, and have now made him the backup.
 
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smokey0625 said:
No, reported times are 4.8 to 4.9. But hey man, you win. Could care less. My point is dormady is not fast.
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Reported by whom? Always remembered the combine...was shocked by how slow his time was...OL reading. No, 4.7 isn't "fast"...Dobbs times varied out of high school...one read 4.8...he seems plenty "fast" in this offense. :). POINT IS if Dormady ever wins the starting job (after Dobbs)...he'll be "fast" enough. :)
 
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'Boro-vol said:
1. Baseless assertion #2. "Better" is a subjective statement leaving many variables. We don't know, if all things were equal....for example: time on campus, in the system, game experience who would be better. We all have our opinions, but don't know. What we do know is Dobbs is an upperclassman, having been on campus 2 years and started multiple games, with varying success.....which was my point.

2. Your logic defies....well....logic. Do you have information that Dobbs is significantly faster or quicker now than when he arrived? Do have information that Dormady is not? Was the Hudl film for either QB not relevant when comparing them to other recruits, or is it only not relevant now. It's a sliding scale to be sure, but Dormady's speed relative to his competition in High School is indicative of potential.

3. Why is Dobbs " far better suited for this offense right now", outside of being an upperclassman who has 2 years on campus? What do you think you know about this offense that the coaches don't. They seem perfectly comfortable with the idea of QD as their QB....since they recruited him, raved about him, and have now made him the backup.
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You can not compare a Junior to a freshman in the sense of better for this offense there is no comparison between Dormady and Dobbs. Dobbs has the "IT" factor and we don't know that Dormady doesn't have it but we do know that he will not get a real shot to see if the does unless Dobbs gets hurt. Butch Jones will not allow a QB contraversy unless he truely believes that Dormady will beat him out. Not gonna happen in the first year he has a clear cut starting QB, he nees the stability of Dobbs at the position to lead this team. We are delusional or daydreaming if you think otherwise.

So yes Dormady has been named backup but so was Nathan Peterman last year, and to your so called logic Nathan Peterman would be ahead of Dormady if he was still here because of time in the system and being an upperclassman.

I was never comparing the Hudl films of Dobbs and Dormady, you stated that his Hudl film showed that he was on par with Dobbs. Dobbs played against the meat of our schedule the past two years and didn'y do that bad. 2 of the best defenses we faced last year mizz and bama. So no i don't believe that Dormady's Hudl film shows me that he is ready to face SEC defenses the way Dobbs has for 2 years.

To even compare Dormady as a freshman to Dobbs now is ridiculous they are not on the same page at all. Our offense wouldn't be as successful with Dormady under center this year as it will be with Dobbs. The best part about it is we will never know because if Dobbs is half as successful as all the people are saying he can be then Dormady will be the backup QB for 2 years and then battle it out with S. Jones and Guarantino (Spelling?) in 2017, and yes I believe that if he doens't win the starting job he will transfer, its not crazy its common sense.

Dormady is a good athlete, the problem is we are recruiting a lot of good athletes especially at QB. The reality is he may never start at QB here just based on the number of players he will be competing against. I wish him well and hope he has a stellar career here, if not I wish him well elsewhere.

But to say he is on par with Dobbs right now is not being realistic. If he was there would have been a QB competition this fall, and there wasn't there was a starting QB and everyone else. There is no competition for playing time, there just isn't.
 
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johnrlansford said:
You can not compare a Junior to a freshman in the sense of better for this offense there is no comparison between Dormady and Dobbs. Dobbs has the "IT" factor and we don't know that Dormady doesn't have it but we do know that he will not get a real shot to see if the does unless Dobbs gets hurt. Butch Jones will not allow a QB contraversy unless he truely believes that Dormady will beat him out. Not gonna happen in the first year he has a clear cut starting QB, he nees the stability of Dobbs at the position to lead this team. We are delusional or daydreaming if you think otherwise.

So yes Dormady has been named backup but so was Nathan Peterman last year, and to your so called logic Nathan Peterman would be ahead of Dormady if he was still here because of time in the system and being an upperclassman.

I was never comparing the Hudl films of Dobbs and Dormady, you stated that his Hudl film showed that he was on par with Dobbs. Dobbs played against the meat of our schedule the past two years and didn'y do that bad. 2 of the best defenses we faced last year mizz and bama. So no i don't believe that Dormady's Hudl film shows me that he is ready to face SEC defenses the way Dobbs has for 2 years.

To even compare Dormady as a freshman to Dobbs now is ridiculous they are not on the same page at all. Our offense wouldn't be as successful with Dormady under center this year as it will be with Dobbs. The best part about it is we will never know because if Dobbs is half as successful as all the people are saying he can be then Dormady will be the backup QB for 2 years and then battle it out with S. Jones and Guarantino (Spelling?) in 2017, and yes I believe that if he doens't win the starting job he will transfer, its not crazy its common sense.

Dormady is a good athlete, the problem is we are recruiting a lot of good athletes especially at QB. The reality is he may never start at QB here just based on the number of players he will be competing against. I wish him well and hope he has a stellar career here, if not I wish him well elsewhere.

But to say he is on par with Dobbs right now is not being realistic. If he was there would have been a QB competition this fall, and there wasn't there was a starting QB and everyone else. There is no competition for playing time, there just isn't.
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Peterman couldn't play and in only ONE MAN'S logic would he have been a factor on the depth chart. :)

Rest of your points are fine with me as long as you acknowledge that Sheriron is also good and will transfer if HE doesn't win the starting job...felt the need to point that out since you always sell him short. :)
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Apparently the difference between fast and slow is somewhere around 7/100th. Who knew?

What's the difference between quick and....uhm....not quick?
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Let me have a 4.7 db on a 4.63 wr. You tell me whose slow. This is stupid that you guys say 4.7 is fast. Our d ends run 4.5 to 4.6.
 
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johnrlansford said:
You can not compare a Junior to a freshman in the sense of better for this offense there is no comparison between Dormady and Dobbs. Dobbs has the "IT" factor and we don't know that Dormady doesn't have it but we do know that he will not get a real shot to see if the does unless Dobbs gets hurt. Butch Jones will not allow a QB contraversy unless he truely believes that Dormady will beat him out. Not gonna happen in the first year he has a clear cut starting QB, he nees the stability of Dobbs at the position to lead this team. We are delusional or daydreaming if you think otherwise.

So yes Dormady has been named backup but so was Nathan Peterman last year, and to your so called logic Nathan Peterman would be ahead of Dormady if he was still here because of time in the system and being an upperclassman.

I was never comparing the Hudl films of Dobbs and Dormady, you stated that his Hudl film showed that he was on par with Dobbs. Dobbs played against the meat of our schedule the past two years and didn'y do that bad. 2 of the best defenses we faced last year mizz and bama. So no i don't believe that Dormady's Hudl film shows me that he is ready to face SEC defenses the way Dobbs has for 2 years.

To even compare Dormady as a freshman to Dobbs now is ridiculous they are not on the same page at all. Our offense wouldn't be as successful with Dormady under center this year as it will be with Dobbs. The best part about it is we will never know because if Dobbs is half as successful as all the people are saying he can be then Dormady will be the backup QB for 2 years and then battle it out with S. Jones and Guarantino (Spelling?) in 2017, and yes I believe that if he doens't win the starting job he will transfer, its not crazy its common sense.

Dormady is a good athlete, the problem is we are recruiting a lot of good athletes especially at QB. The reality is he may never start at QB here just based on the number of players he will be competing against. I wish him well and hope he has a stellar career here, if not I wish him well elsewhere.

But to say he is on par with Dobbs right now is not being realistic. If he was there would have been a QB competition this fall, and there wasn't there was a starting QB and everyone else. There is no competition for playing time, there just isn't.
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You continue to baselessly assert your opinions which are subjective at best, and backed up by nothing....in addition to misquoting what I said. You base your points singularly on conjecture. There are so many glaring errors in your response, I can't begin to address them all.

I never asserted the Hudl film, which you've never watched, showed Dormady was ready for SEC defenses. What it shows is a very fast, mobile, and physically imposing High School QB racking up big yards and Td's on the ground. It was an illustration that he is not a pocket QB and has actually run THIS exact offense and terminology.

The assertion that he is behind Dobbs because of years on campus is correct, true, and the only thing that can be proven. It certainly is not provable that he is a "better fit", only more experienced. If you don't believe it, ask Peyton Manning or Casey Clausen about starting over upperclassmen as freshmen. Riley Ferguson, according to the coaches, was ahead of Dobbs and slated to be the next man in line behind Worley. His head full of crapped derailed that, or Mr. Dobbs may have been the one out in the cold.

Let me close this lunacy by saying.....in capital letters....I NEVER STATED OR INSINUATED THERE WAS, OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN A QB COMPETITION THIS YEAR. DOBBS, AT THE MOMENT, IS THE BEST CHOICE. I HOPE HE SURPASSES EVEN THE MOST LOFTY EXPECTATIONS.

However, we have a backup with better physical tools....specifically accuracy, which has been an issue for Dobbs at times. I believe he adds a dimension to the passing game Dobbs does not possess, while giving up very little athletically to the smaller QB. I would prefer him not start as a Freshman....that is seldom optimal. However, there is a history in the SEC of freshman QB's coming in and performing very well, especially teams with good defenses.
 
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smokey0625 said:
Let me have a 4.7 db on a 4.63 wr. You tell me whose slow. This is stupid that you guys say 4.7 is fast. Our d ends run 4.5 to 4.6.
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Apples to Oranges in the one on one comparison. In pads the difference in 4.7, and 4.63 is negligable. There are many DBs who are not 4.4 athletes locking down their corner. A QB in this offense needs a quick first step (shuttle time....elite) and reaction, then enough straight line speed to get downfield and out of bounds.

Besides....nobody said he was fast. We said he was fast enough, and AS fast.....
 
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smokey0625 said:
Let me have a 4.7 db on a 4.63 wr. You tell me whose slow. This is stupid that you guys say 4.7 is fast. Our d ends run 4.5 to 4.6.
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No one is saying 4.7 is fast for a DB or WR. We're saying it's plenty fast for a QB. And top end speed really doesn't matter too much regarding a QB anyway. It's how quick his feet are in the pocket and at the line of scrimmage when he decides to keep the ball....Dormady clocked an elite 4.14 shuttle time.
 
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SeahawkVOL94 said:
I want to get your opinions on this. I think there is a possibility that Dormady gets thrown into some games. I am talking a couple of series a game. He is fast and could bring a different element to our offense. He is more of a deep ball thrower and tends to run downhill more than Dobbs. This is absolutely not a knock on Dobbs. I think Dobbs will have a good season. Dormady just may be too good to stay off the field. Go Vols!
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This is so stupid in so many ways it is hard to respond. Hey zipper you got a Heisman watch QB for the first time in years. Drop the damn subject.
 
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GLDunlap said:
Not true. Owens ran 4.45 at the NFL Veterans combine at age 38. He was easily sub 4.4 out of college. Maybe your thinking of Jerry Rice.
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Nope...but Jerry Rice also ran a 4.7. :). And if TO ran a 4.4 at age 38, bully for him (never heard that tho). But out of UTC? At the combine? He ran a 4.7. :)
 
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GLDunlap said:
You are wrong but I doubt you really care . Got a link or anything to verify TO's 4.7? That's what I thought.

https://twitter.com/sportscenter/status/232967012412956672
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Go ahead and google...1996 combine...it won't tell you anything. I was just out of the AF and poring over the combine that year...he was a man among boys in I-AA...if he had run a 4-4 or faster, San Francisco wouldn't have gotten him...he'd have been a first rounder (they picked JJ Stokes)... Doesn't matter, he always outran others ON THE FIELD. Years of self-involvement and practicing in shorts prolly helped his midlife 40. :)






4.7 tho. :)
 
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