Dormady v. Guarantano

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truevolfanincali said:
This is the most outlandish statement EVER. For one, you haven't seen Guarantano take the field in college ball yet, have you? For two, we've actually seen Dormady on the field and he throws a better deep ball than Dobbs probably ever will. He's not a Dobbs-style passer ... although he can still tuck and run. So how do you even make a statement like that? It's utter BS.
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You haven't seen Dormady do anything yet either. All he's done is throw 2 good passes against an FCS team. In his moments against FBS teams he's done NOTHING.

At least JG comes in highly touted. Dormady on the other hand is the lowest rated QB we have on campus who hasn't taken a meaningful snap. Yet we have folks like you claiming he's the second coming.

I wonder why Dormady is the object of your affections and not all our other QBs?

What makes him different?
 
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Dormady will be ahead and will start. Whether he stays starter, I don't know.
 
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Do folks not think by Dobbs running and getting hit....all with a decent, but not very good o-line.....those things might effect his passing?

All I read on qbs like Dormady, Worley, Fergy....is excuses as to why they haven't performed as well as Dobbs. Bottomline is because they can't. This is why Dobbs is the starter and I personally believe had he replaced Worley sooner his freshman yr, we'd have 3 straight bowls instead of 2. I'm noticing a trend here...!

Now, if what folks who are pro-Dormady say is true....he's faster than Dobbs, then why would the offense need to change to suit him?

With Dormady playing this yr....he'll be a soph next yr while G redshirts. Dormady in the season after should be the front-runner to fill the open position left by a graduated Dobbs if he's anywhere close to the hype. This would then give him 1 to 2 years as the starter to have his open seat filled by G for 2 years....in the ideal world.
 
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#79
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Guarantano redshirts this fall and Dormady plays next year. I don't know what some of you have been watching, but Dormady is a solid passer and has a high ceiling. And I've seen way to many freshman overhyped on this board. It may not be the popular opinion, but it's the most likely.
 
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So Dobbs takes zero meaningful steps his first year and then develops into the player he was in 2014 (let's be honest that Dobbs is no significantly better now than he was in 2014) but Dormady isn't allowed to develop after given a select few opportunities in 2015? Gotcha
 
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JohnMarxism said:
So Dobbs takes zero meaningful steps his first year and then develops into the player he was in 2014 (let's be honest that Dobbs is no significantly better now than he was in 2014) but Dormady isn't allowed to develop after given a select few opportunities in 2015? Gotcha
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Dobbs has taken "meaningful snaps" all 3 seasons of his career...big jump between his freshman and sophomore years.
 
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sjt18 said:
Barring injury, JG will RS this fall. In healthy programs, good QB's wait their turn and good QB's assent to being back ups.

I won't even pretend to know which of these guys will take over after Dobbs. But if the Vol program gets healthy, it won't be unusual to see even highly regarded QB's not start until their 3rd or 4th year in the program. It also won't be uncommon to see a guy like Dormady stay as a back up should JG win out.
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Personally think either the offensive line play and downfield game has to improve immensely or Dormady has to change his game to succeed in this offense.

I seriously doubt the staff has any intention of catering the offense to his strengths.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Personally think either the offensive line play and downfield game has to improve immensely or Dormady has to change his game to succeed in this offense.

I seriously doubt the staff has any intention of catering the offense to his strengths.
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They catered it to Dobbs...they have for every QB Butch has coached.
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
Didn't Butch recruit and sign Dormady because he thought he could run this offense? Would it make sense for our staff to sign guys who can't run their systen? That doesn't make any sense at all.
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His primary recruiter in Bajakian is gone.

I think there was a subtle but clear shift in the philosophy of this offense going forward.

Not sure if Dormady fits the mold of what they need at QB now or not.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
His primary recruiter in Bajakian is gone.

I think there was a subtle but clear shift in the philosophy of this offense going forward.

Not sure if Dormady fits the mold of what they need at QB now or not.
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It's Butch's offense and if anything DeBord is more inclined to play the pro-style...possibly the main reason for the Sheriron transfer.
 
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butchna said:
It's Butch's offense and if anything DeBord is more inclined to play the pro-style...possibly the main reason for the Sheriron transfer.
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Exactly.

I think Dormady fits a pro style offense better and I personally don't think Jones has ever been inclined to lean toward a true pro style offense.

I suspect the reason Jones transferred is that he was looking at perpetually being 3rd on the depth chart, especially after them recruiting Guarantano.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Exactly.

I think Dormady fits a pro style offense better and I personally don't think Jones has ever been inclined to lean toward a true pro style offense.

I suspect the reason Jones transferred is that he was looking at perpetually being 3rd on the depth chart, especially after them recruiting Guarantano.
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Third because Dormady was in front of him. Butch has recruited both pro-style and dual-threats for a reason. Both fit his offense...think we've dropped the idea of recruiting Trevor Lawrence?
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Exactly.

I think Dormady fits a pro style offense better and I personally don't think Jones has ever been inclined to lean toward a true pro style offense.

I suspect the reason Jones transferred is that he was looking at perpetually being 3rd on the depth chart, especially after them recruiting Guarantano.
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Then why does Jones recruit Trevor Lawrence and why does Volnation want him so bad for 2018.
 
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Watched JG in UA AA game and he was 1 of 8 for 18 yards. My thoughts went back to watching Jennings last year in the State East/West All star game. I thought this is not a SEC passing QB. Hope I'm wrong but JG looks a little over hyped and not sure what the level of HS play is in New Jersey where he got his numbers. Fingers crossed.
 
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butchna said:
Didn't see Worley take off running that much. Collaros had a damn good career! Why'd you pull him outtaya hat?
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Collaros had a great junior season( Jones first as head coach) then fell off pretty drastically his senior season before breaking his leg at the end of the year.

Worley kept getting trampled til he got knocked out with the shoulder injury.

I just don't see much history indicating Jones changes his offense to suit the quarterback.
 
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sechamp2012 said:
Watched JG in UA AA game and he was 1 of 8 for 18 yards. My thoughts went back to watching Jennings last year in the State East/West All star game. I thought this is not a SEC passing QB. Hope I'm wrong but JG looks a little over hyped and not sure what the level of HS play is in New Jersey where he got his numbers. Fingers crossed.
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He's got a year of redshirting and all the tools...he'll come out aces.
 
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appvol said:


Then why does Jones recruit Trevor Lawrence and why does Volnation want him so bad for 2018.
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He has about 15 offers so far so everyone is recruiting him.

Fans always want the 5 star players.

And just to clarify what I am saying about a true pro style offense.

How many offenses has Jones ran that relies on I formation with a blocking back and play action roll outs along with a short passing game including screens and flares to the RB's ?

There are a few elements of this kind of stuff in Jones' offense but I do't think anyone thinks Bill Walsh era 49ers or Holmgren era Packers when they watch the Vols play.

Honestly think Dormady would fit better in what Cameron has been trying to do at LSU than what we have seen with the Vols the last two seasons.

It's all just discussion stemming from boredom on a wet Saturday morning on my part though.
 
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Dormady is and will continue to be the backup, after seeing JG in the All America game it seems clear the mental aspect of the game is where he is lacking the most. Sometimes that's hard to fix. Dormady on the other hand doesn't seem to have that issue
TIFWIW
 
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sjt18 said:
You cannot reasonably make this comparison. If Dobbs had been injured giving Dormady the chance to take the starter's practice reps and settle in with an O designed around his skill set then he would have performed better.

Dobbs does start for a lot of reasons not the least of which is he is the current leader of the O. But he doesn't have the pure arm talent of QD or JG.

What do you mean by "lowest rated"? If you mean recruit rankings then you are mistaken.
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Dobbs has just as strong of an arm as anyone. Problem is that he doesn't always know where the ball will end up.

On the other side, we've got two talented young qbs. Dormady has a lot of potential, but I don't remember seeing anyone with the natural ability like Guarantano in a long time. The kid has the tools to be a superstar and a top draft pick of developed correctly.
 
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