Dormady Time?

[governmentmule]

I think it is more that the coaches don't trust the Offensive line rather than they don't trust Dobbs and Dormady wouldn't help that at all

 

[MrBiggles]

I think it is more that the coaches don't trust the Offensive line rather than they don't trust Dobbs and Dormady wouldn't help that at all

I watched a Spurrier team in the 90s get beat down by FSU and then put the QB into the shotgun and throw quick slants and quick passes the next time. Maybe we need to try something different than faking a slow run to the RB and then setting up to throw which take 3-5 seconds. How many backup QB in the pros go throw a couple of early short quick passes to get their confidence and then get better as they go through the game.

 

[walkenvol]

There's some epic over reactions on here tonight, but you sir have the finest overreaction of all -

shut the heck up walkenvol dochbag, if your not upset or over reacting you have no passion for this team

I hope you eventually put the bottle down and went to bed. Lots of reasons one can point to for this loss, Dobbs passing isn't one of the reasons. He attempted the plays the staff called.

Like yourself, I'd like the see a more balanced attack but I'm not blinded by the loss. Most all said before the game 27 points would win it. Deboring as some are calling him dialed up some imagination in the first half when we couldn't get anything going on offense. Hurd was running like a man in the 2nd half. The last long drive for a TD was a thing of beauty and I thought was enough to win the game at the time. But again, the defense gives up 2 late 4th quarter TD's and the staff pulls some Les Miles type clock management on the final drive.

Everyone was saying prior to the game that Muschamp had left an outstanding defense behind. UT put enough yardage and points on the board to expect the win. Instead of switching QB's, I'd be looking for a witch doctor who could remove this curse that's on UT. They had so many opportunities against FL and OK to put the game away and every time the other team came through. Who goes 5 for 5 on 4th down? There has to be some kind of jinx in effect here.

 

[G8rh8r]

Dobbs is fine. His hesitation and inconsistency are probably symptoms of the problem, not the cause. I support our players. They have a boatload of talent, class, and heart.

 

[BUCCnVOLfan]

Seriously?!? He played his heart out yesterday. Funny how he gets blamed when he's playing the calls given by Debord. You want to blame someone for the loss.. There's someone who I think it's on but not Dobbs. He tried and played his toughest!!!

 

[jps2194]

Honestly, I'm really tired of everybody saying Dobbs' throwing issues are due to the O-line. Every QB faces pressure and must learn how to handle it. Dobbs had time to throw yesterday and when he was pressured - he either never saw or didn't step up into the pocket. Many of you act like he would drop back and had 5 people in his face on every snap. That wasn't the case at all.

The issue I have is when he isn't pressured and can't complete a pass (e.g., Josh Smith wide open or the time he threw behind Pearson). You just simply can't miss those throws. The one to Pearson was about 7 yards - granted he was crossing the field and he had to lead him, but isn't he a D1 QB that should be able to make that throw? The one to Smith was probably a TD if he hits him in stride.

I'm not taking anything away from Dobbs when it comes to leadership and scrambling ability as he certainly had a huge impact running the ball. However, we have an awesome group of receivers and we can't get them the ball. It is truly pathetic how bad our passing game is. We cannot win in the SEC as a one dimensional team. It's amazing how well we ran the ball considering we couldn't pass. Imagine how good our running game would be with a vertical passing attack.

Is it Dobbs or Debord or both. I'm thinking both. Dobbs isn't coming through, but I don't think he's being properly developed either. Something has to give here, we can't keep playing these games without a passing game or its gonna be a long season.

 

[NCFisher]

Honestly, I'm really tired of everybody saying Dobbs' throwing issues are due to the O-line. Every QB faces pressure and must learn how to handle it. Dobbs had time to throw yesterday and when he was pressured - he either never saw or didn't step up into the pocket. Many of you act like he would drop back and had 5 people in his face on every snap. That wasn't the case at all.

The issue I have is when he isn't pressured and can't complete a pass (e.g., Josh Smith wide open or the time he threw behind Pearson). You just simply can't miss those throws. The one to Pearson was about 7 yards - granted he was crossing the field and he had to lead him, but isn't he a D1 QB that should be able to make that throw? The one to Smith was probably a TD if he hits him in stride.

I'm not taking anything away from Dobbs when it comes to leadership and scrambling ability as he certainly had a huge impact running the ball. However, we have an awesome group of receivers and we can't get them the ball. It is truly pathetic how bad our passing game is. We cannot win in the SEC as a one dimensional team. It's amazing how well we ran the ball considering we couldn't pass. Imagine how good our running game would be with a vertical passing attack.

Is it Dobbs or Debord or both. I'm thinking both. Dobbs isn't coming through, but I don't think he's being properly developed either. Something has to give here, we can't keep playing these games without a passing game or its gonna be a long season.

Most accurate reply in the thread. Dobbs took the team on his back to the degree he could. Receivers dropped at least two balls that should have been caught, but Dobbs missed at least three shots that might've been difference makers. That aside, played a monster game but we can't put aside the passing game for an entire season.

He appears regressed in the passing game while the line is marginally better protecting him. He seems as likely to throw a bad pass as a good one. What's different? Debord.

I'd like to see Dormady get playing time next week. While our OL is marginal, there is some time to pass back there. Other QBs manage to flee the pocket and make our D pay, we've no excuses for a JR QB not doing the same.

And for crying out loud, fix the 4th quarter failures of our D. We had a possession advantage throughout the game, so being 'gassed' isn't an excuse; see "Blitz" and not spying a QB who's only left the pocket - all game - when pursued.

 

[JohnD13]

I know it may sound foolish with Dobbs' scrambling ability. But with ZERO threat of a passing game maybe it wouldn't be such a bad move. I've seen enough of both to know who the better passer is at this stage in their development. Dobbs is a Junior and will not suddenly become a premier passer next year. Dormady would give UT that threat I believe and would greatly assist the improvement of the Hurd/Kamara running attack.

You said it...foolish

 

[volfan2024]

I know it may sound foolish with Dobbs' scrambling ability. But with ZERO threat of a passing game maybe it wouldn't be such a bad move. I've seen enough of both to know who the better passer is at this stage in their development. Dobbs is a Junior and will not suddenly become a premier passer next year. Dormady would give UT that threat I believe and would greatly assist the improvement of the Hurd/Kamara running attack.

I would like to see Dobbs lined up in shot gun and see how the line protects him. Ist down pass 2nd down run option 3rd pass

 

[johnrlansford]

Dobbs is not the problem you put Worley back there and we'd have as many sacks as last year this time. Dobbs has no time the only reason he isn't sacked more is because of his mobility. The OLIne has gotten better at Run blocking but pass blocking is still bad. We would have gotten beated by 21 points if Dormady had started and Dobbs hadn't played. Dobbs almost singlehandly won the game for us. His running ability is the only reason we were up by 13 point with 10 minutes to go.

Dormady may be a good talent in the future but he isn't the answer for this team. The OLine is horrible at pass blocking and the we should never call ourselves WRU ever again or receivers look like walk-ons except for maybe the freshmen J. Jennings and P. Williams.

Josh Malone can't catch a cold and Pig and North haven't showed up at all. Josh smith hasn't caught much but atleast he can run block.

This team needs to man up and the OLine Coach should resign they are horribly coached. Mahoney and Azzani better get to work or they may both be looking for jobs at the end of the year.

 

[johnrlansford]

Over reaction? We are pretty much one dimensional with Dobbs at qb. You can't count on him to make the throw to move the chains. He's suspect at best in the passing game. Dormady can scramble and can throw the ball. Dobbs threw as many passes behind the line of scrimmage in the first half as he did beyond it.

Dobbs threw one maybe two pass that didn't hit the receivers in the hands. The only thing suspect on this team is the OLine and Receivers, They are playing horrible. If I am Dobbs i will risk it with my legs rather than watching another 3 and out because a receiver can't catch a ball in the hands.

They were so one dimentional that Florida knew we were gonna run and still couldn't stop us. We rushed for over 250 yds. Sounds horrible doesn't we actually ran 7-8 plays in a row on one drive and they still couldn't stop us. I'll take that all day, they way the receivers and OLine played i wouldn't have thrown it till i had too.

Dobbs is the only reason we were even in that game. Dormady wouldn't have looked any better, I hope that Dobbs doesn't go down because so many people will be super disappointed when they realize that he wasn't the problem and Dormady couldn't pass either because he is running for his life and when he does get it down field the receivers drop it even when they are wide open.

If it wasn't for Ethan Wolf, Dobbs wouldn't have completed many passes at all. Dobbs isn't teh problem, therefore Dormady isn't the solution.

 

[EZE]

There's some epic over reactions on here tonight, but you sir have the finest overreaction of all - congrats!

What do you expect with "Dooley" still in his username?

 

[calban]

Give a 2 qb system a try.
What was it: 51 run plays to 21 passing.
Try something different. Wasted WRs could result in attrition.

PS if we could get ahead by 4 or 5 touchdowns it wouldn't matter how bad Butch is at game and clock management.
Well maybe.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Dobbs' ability to pass down the field is hampered by our terrible pass blocking o line. He was pretty much the reason we were even in a position to win that game tonight. No. As bad as our offense was tonight, I don't think having a true freshman running the offense would do anything to improve it.

we all thought Dobbs was the next Condredge bc of the second half against Bama. The frosh looked great against WCU. They are horrible. Frosh needs tonstay on second team and get ready if Dobbs gets hurt.

 

[jps2194]

Dobbs threw one maybe two pass that didn't hit the receivers in the hands. The only thing suspect on this team is the OLine and Receivers, They are playing horrible.

Come on - enough is enough. Our passing issues are not because of the Oline and receivers. Dobbs is as much of the reason as everything else. He missed Josh Smith on a key play that likely scores. Also, he had a 7 yard crossing route to Pearson that he threw behind him that would have been a first down. He wasn't under pressure in either pass.

I realize you are a huge Dobbs fan and I'm not saying bench him, but let's be honest here. Dobbs is a leader and makes a huge impact with his legs, but his passing is not up to par. He gives us the best chance to win right now, but we better fix the passing game or the losses will continue.

 

[OJ]

I know it may sound foolish with Dobbs' scrambling ability. But with ZERO threat of a passing game maybe it wouldn't be such a bad move. I've seen enough of both to know who the better passer is at this stage in their development. Dobbs is a Junior and will not suddenly become a premier passer next year. Dormady would give UT that threat I believe and would greatly assist the improvement of the Hurd/Kamara running attack.

Can Dobbs not play at any other position?

 

[k-town_king]

Come on - enough is enough. Our passing issues are not because of the Oline and receivers. Dobbs is as much of the reason as everything else. He missed Josh Smith on a key play that likely scores. Also, he had a 7 yard crossing route to Pearson that he threw behind him that would have been a first down. He wasn't under pressure in either pass.

I realize you are a huge Dobbs fan and I'm not saying bench him, but let's be honest here. Dobbs is a leader and makes a huge impact with his legs, but his passing is not up to par.

He admitted Dobbs threw an off pass or two. 90 % were good throws though. Dobbs has been accurate when he has had time. He threw it better than Dormady in camp also. I don't know why people think Dormady will do better when he didn't even do better in camp. The oline and wrs are the problem and Dormady won't make them better.

 

[Nationdom]

Give a 2 qb system a try.
What was it: 51 run plays to 21 passing.
Try something different. Wasted WRs could result in attrition.

PS if we could get ahead by 4 or 5 touchdowns it wouldn't matter how bad Butch is at game and clock management.
Well maybe.

I agree. A 2 QB system is exactly what we need. Other teams have done it in the past and has worked very well.

 

[daniel3417]

It's a coaching issue. Since when did Dobbs become such a terrible passer? He's an average passer, which with our WRs and his legs, should be plenty good enough to be successful.

When you run it 50 times and throw it 20, you're not even giving the guy a chance to be good/bad.

 

[butchna]

Not going to overreact, but as much of a non disaster losing two games against undefeated foes AFTER double digit leads truly is? You have to ask yourself if Butch is willing to do what Majors did in 88-89, and reinvent on the fly. In that case, a promising team lost their first six. Coach Majors fired legendary DC Ken Donahue replaced him with RBs coach Doug Matthews. Put a RB at corner...plugged MLB Shazzon Bradley at DT...moved NT Charles McRae to OT etc etc...all that whilst red shirting Chuck Webb and Carl Pickens. Too late to save the season but it set a run of success for the remainder of Coach Majors tenure. Not using that example to advocate Butch making a QB switch, but at some point you can't be afraid to reinvent.

 

[BeecherVol]

Not going to overreact, but as much of a non disaster losing two games against undefeated foes AFTER double digit leads truly is? You have to ask yourself if Butch is willing to do what Majors did in 88-89, and reinvent on the fly. In that case, a promising team lost their first six. Coach Majors fired legendary DC Ken Donahue replaced him with RBs coach Doug Matthews. Put a RB at corner...plugged MLB Shazzon Bradley at DT...moved NT Charles McRae to OT etc etc...all that whilst red shirting Chuck Webb and Carl Pickens. Too late to save the season but it set a run of success for the remainder of Coach Majors tenure. Not using that example to advocate Butch making a QB switch, but at some point you can't be afraid to reinvent.

Interesting thought.

I think they need to turn Dobbs loose a little more and see if they can take advantage of their WRs. Im not advocating 35+ attempts but the attempts we are making need to number higher down the field than they currently do.

 

[ReaderVol]

I know it may sound foolish with Dobbs' scrambling ability. But with ZERO threat of a passing game maybe it wouldn't be such a bad move. I've seen enough of both to know who the better passer is at this stage in their development. Dobbs is a Junior and will not suddenly become a premier passer next year. Dormady would give UT that threat I believe and would greatly assist the improvement of the Hurd/Kamara running attack.

No. The reason we're not throwing down field is due to pass protection. Replacing a very mobile QB with one whose not as much is not the answer.
If we could protect and Dobbs was just missing? Ok look at making the change. But if you remember early in the UF game we tried and JD got nailed.

 

[UToverload]

Get off of Dobbs back. He may not be the best passer but he kept TN in the game. The defense is what lost the Fla game.

 

[ReaderVol]

Get off of Dobbs back. He may not be the best passer but he kept TN in the game. The defense is what lost the Fla game.

Exactly. 27 pts against UF should've been enough to win.

 

[KBVol]

Because the O-Line can't give any QB enough time to pass??????

He has plenty of time to short timing routes which be of great benefit to the offense.....slant routes, stick routes, hook routes, out routes, 10-15 yd back shoulder throws, hot routes to Wolf in the middle of the field

This idea that we can't or shouldn't throw the ball because our OL can't give Dobbs any time to their is wrong IMO. Slow- developing go routes where the wide receiver makes a double move and Dobbs pump fakes, ok. But shorter, quicker routes can be extremely effective and we're not even trying those for some reason.