Dormady needs his chance.

[JMSqb11]

Pretty sure I am not the one with an agenda here.

You sound like Dormandy's handler spouting off your "fact" sheet.

Are you saying what I said is false? QD's 40 time as a recruit was faster than Worley's. Care to argue? Dormady's accuracy has been well documented in camp and spring, while Worley always had a bad rap for accuracy. Am I remembering that incorrectly?

These things are documented. I welcome you to disprove any of those things I spoke of.

 

[butchna]

Dormady has been worse than Dobbs in practice, camp, and limited game time. Why would he be better now? Dobbs has had some great games. He had one bad game just like every other qb since football started. You don't bench him for an inferior player because of one bad game.

He's had more than one bad game. He starts the rest of the year and deservedly so...enough with the fiction tho.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

You have nothing to base that on. Fact, he is faster than Worley. Fact, he has a strong arm than Worley. Fact, he is more accurate based on camp and practice performance than Worley.

You can't claim he is Worley 2.0 based on your agenda.

And if you could actually read and comprehend the post, I said he would be another Justin Worley unless some fundamental changes are made in the offense and the line play is dramatically improved

So, just to clarify for you and ease your little conniption fit you have going, my post isn't an indictment of Dormady's abilities as much as it is an indictment of an offense that is obviously much more effective with a mobile QB playing behind a shoddy offensive line.

 

[JMSqb11]

Pretty sure I am not the one with an agenda here.

You sound like Dormandy's handler spouting off your "fact" sheet.

I was a big fan of Worley's. He is the only QB I can remember that averaged over 10 yards a carry when he actually kept the ball on zone reads. Of course, he only did it like 12 times his junior year. It's one of the reason we knocked off Spurrier and Co. in Knoxville. However, Worley was wildly inaccurate based on his game play.

I don't have to argue Worley's practice vs Dormady's when Worley has actual game footage to go thru.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Are you saying what I said is false? QD's 40 time as a recruit was faster than Worley's. Care to argue? Dormady's accuracy has been well documented in camp and spring, while Worley always had a bad rap for accuracy. Am I remembering that incorrectly?

These things are documented. I welcome you to disprove any of those things I spoke of.

To what end?

Dormady isn't competing against Worley for a job anyway.

I don't think he is a going to be a great fit for this offense just like Worley wasn't.

You obviously are angling to be Dormady Fan Club President with your ability to spout off his recruiting stats though.

 

[JMSqb11]

To what end?

Dormady isn't competing against Worley for a job anyway.

I don't think he is a going to be a great fit for this offense just like Worley wasn't.

You obviously are angling to be Dormady Fan Club President with your ability to spout off his recruiting stats though.

I wasn't the one who brought up Worley is the first place. Y'all were. Anyone who thinks that QD is just a place holder until next year for JG is crazy. If that was the case, Sherion wouldn't have transferred back and QD wouldn't be staying on the team passed the offseason. However, crazier things have happened. I mean Butch is keeping Dobbs on the field after a horrible statistical season. I'd rather see what QD can give us before we lose another game with Dobbs ducking balls in the dirt.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

I wasn't the one who brought up Worley is the first place. Y'all wore. Anyone who thinks that QD is just a place holder until next year for JG is crazy. If that was the case, Sherion wouldn't have transferred back and QD wouldn't be staying on the team passed the offseason. However, crazier things have happened. I mean Butch is keeping Dobbs on the field after a horrible statistical season. I'd rather see what QD can give us before we lose another game with Dobbs ducking balls in the dirt.

So, your agenda is to bench Dobbs and put Dormady in his place despite the coaching staff disagreeing with you on who should be starting?

Got it.

The only fact available is that the staff has thought for all season that Dobbs should be starting over Dormady.

I sincerely hope Dormady turns into the next Peyton Manning.

I don't see any QB having much success behind this offensive line as it currently stands in an offense this disjointed however.

 

[JMSqb11]

So, your agenda is to bench Dobbs and put Dormady in his place despite the coaching staff disagreeing with you on who should be starting?

Got it.

The only fact available is that the staff has thought for all season that Dobbs should be starting over Dormady.

I sincerely hope Dormady turns into the next Peyton Manning.

I don't see any QB having much success behind this offensive line as it currently stands in an offense this disjointed however.

Can I ask you a question before we get back into our neverendless debate?

My reason for QD getting action, along with Sherion, is due to two things: 1- Dobbs has been inconsistent and a turnover machine this season. 2- QD and Sherion, along with JG, are going to be involved in QB competition in the spring.

Do you not agree based on those two things that it would make some bit of sense to try QD and Sherion these last 4 games since we are officially out of the playoff and 99% not making Atlanta? Why would a coach continue to play a limited QB that is not going to be here next year and not get 2 out the 3 QB's competing for the job next year some playing time. This is all so we can have tape of 2 IN GAMES vs comparing all of them in 7 on 7 drills. I just find it very interesting that Butch has to break in a new QB next spring and he refuses to play 2 of the 3 guys competing for the job when we have a starter who is struggling badly. As far as the argument that "No one will succeed behind this line", I don't agree. The majority of the reason our line looks so bad is because we have no threats in the passing game. It looks so bad because we can't pass vertically and defenses know that. Just my two cents.

Do you not think it's a bad idea at all?

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Can I ask you a question before we get back into our neverendless debate?

My reason for QD getting action, along with Sherion, is due to two things: 1- Dobbs has been inconsistent and a turnover machine this season. 2- QD and Sherion, along with JG, are going to be involved in QB competition in the spring.

Do you not agree based on those two things that it would make some bit of sense to try QD and Sherion these last 4 games since we are officially out of the playoff and 99% not making Atlanta? Why would a coach continue to play a limited QB that is not going to be here next year and not get 2 out the 3 QB's competing for the job next year some playing time. This is all so we can have tape of 2 IN GAMES vs comparing all of them in 7 on 7 drills. I just find it very interesting that Butch has to break in a new QB next spring and he refuses to play 2 of the 3 guys competing for the job when we have a starter who is struggling badly. As far as the argument that "No one will succeed behind this line", I don't agree. The majority of the reason our line looks so bad is because we have no threats in the passing game. It looks so bad because we can't pass vertically and defenses know that. Just my two cents.

Do you not think it's a bad idea at all?

It sounds great in theory but the last thing this team needs is a QB controversy and I am nowhere near as willing to lay all of Dobb's obvious shortcomings at his feet as you are.

The poor line play stems from poor fundamentals in footwork along with a finesse mentality despite Jones' assertions otherwise in the coaching philosophy.

Guys are constantly lunging and out of position due to footwork. They also have some kind of cross between a zone blocking going on and that slow blocking stuff Clawson tried years ago in terms of scheme. It never allows for a guy to simply fire off the ball and knock the hell out of a defender.

Dobbs and his lack of fundamentals in passing accuracy and ball security are primarily from a lack of fundamentals as well.

His footwork and setting up to pass is atrocious as it has been since he started. Throwing off your back foot almost always leads to deep passes sailing and the shorter passes being off target. Not having the ability to read defenses and move on from the first read is a learned ability. Hence you see Dobbs lobbing passes in the end zone during overtime at A&M etc.

Since the staff has deemed an actual QB coach isn't necessary, there hasn't been the chance to correct this stuff as we have seen for 3+ seasons now.

So, back to the point. I am not indicting Dormady but I have zero faith that this staff can get him ready for game day( although being a coaches kid could help) or that this line can protect him sufficiently for him to be effective.

I am fine agreeing to disagree with you. We all have our own opinions.

 

[JMSqb11]

It sounds great in theory but the last thing this team needs is a QB controversy and I am nowhere near as willing to lay all of Dobb's obvious shortcomings at his feet as you are.

The poor line play stems from poor fundamentals in footwork along with a finesse mentality despite Jones' assertions otherwise in the coaching philosophy.

Guys are constantly lunging and out of position due to footwork. They also have some kind of cross between a zone blocking going on and that slow blocking stuff Clawson tried years ago in terms of scheme. It never allows for a guy to simply fire off the ball and knock the hell out of a defender.

Dobbs and his lack of fundamentals in passing accuracy and ball security are primarily from a lack of fundamentals as well.

His footwork and setting up to pass is atrocious as it has been since he started. Throwing off your back foot almost always leads to deep passes sailing and the shorter passes being off target. Not having the ability to read defenses and move on from the first read is a learned ability. Hence you see Dobbs lobbing passes in the end zone during overtime at A&M etc.

Since the staff has deemed an actual QB coach isn't necessary, there hasn't been the chance to correct this stuff as we have seen for 3+ seasons now.

So, back to the point. I am not indicting Dormady but I have zero faith that this staff can get him ready for game day( although being a coaches kid could help) or that this line can protect him sufficiently for him to be effective.

I am fine agreeing to disagree with you. We all have our own opinions.

I agree with you on staff. I am very afraid that 2 of the 3 guys will transfer out next season due to staff and playing time. I wish we could hire a Coach Cut type that will develop QB's, which we haven't had in years. I would love to see the mad science of teaming QD and JG with Cut, personally. To be frank, a lot of fans including me have zero faith in the staff and QB.

 

[BearCat204]

You guys are crazy. There is no way in hell you bench a future Heisman winner and 1st QB taken in the upcoming draft for Dormady.....no way. Geesh you guys

 

[johnrlansford]

I agree with you on staff. I am very afraid that 2 of the 3 guys will transfer out next season due to staff and playing time. I wish we could hire a Coach Cut type that will develop QB's, which we haven't had in years. I would love to see the mad science of teaming QD and JG with Cut, personally. To be frank, a lot of fans including me have zero faith in the staff and QB.

i have said this before but i don't believe that Jones Trust Dormady. I may be completely wrong but he has had plenty of chances to play QD and he hasn't in any meaningful minutes.

It may not be what you want to hear but i believe that Butch knows whats best for this tema a little bit more than we do.

He sees them practice everyday, he knows what their skill set is, don't you think he wants to win? He plays Dobbs because, he is our best option to win!!! Now QD, SJ, of JG could all be great someday but without a doubt atleast 1 of them will probably transfer next year. My money has been on Dormady since he signed. Yes I do think he is nothing more than a place-holder. I may be wrong but from the lack of chances Butch has given him, when he has had plenty of opportunity to let QD play only makes me think i am right.

P.S. The staff or QB don't care how much faith you have in them or anyone else in the fanbase for that matter.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

I agree with you on staff. I am very afraid that 2 of the 3 guys will transfer out next season due to staff and playing time. I wish we could hire a Coach Cut type that will develop QB's, which we haven't had in years. I would love to see the mad science of teaming QD and JG with Cut, personally. To be frank, a lot of fans including me have zero faith in the staff and QB.

Exactly. I think Cutcliffe could have done wonders with Dobbs.

Frankly believe Kiffin could as well. If he could turn Crompton into a serviceable QB, gotta think he could with Dobbs as well.

These issues with the QB have been an ongoing thing with Jones dating back to his Cincinnati days. It isn't a new development.

There isn't a huge difference in Zach Collaros' career statistics than Dobbs. Colllaros was slightly better at passing, Dobbs much better at rushing.

Zach Collaros College Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Joshua Dobbs College Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

I think Lefevours at CMU was a bit of an anomaly for Jones at the position. The guy was Tebow-Light in athleticism and was playing in an easier conference.

 

[Cartervol]

While it would be good to get whoever is going to take over next year some snaps. If that guy can't move around in the pocket it would be a bad idea. Too many times guys come free at the QB. A less mobile guy would be a sitting duck. Dobbs has been awful at times though, and if they do it I wouldn't have much of a problem with it. I don't think it's the answer though.

 

[JMSqb11]

While it would be good to get whoever is going to take over next year some snaps. If that guy can't move around in the pocket it would be a bad idea. Too many times guys come free at the QB. A less mobile guy would be a sitting duck. Dobbs has been awful at times though, and if they do it I wouldn't have much of a problem with it. I don't think it's the answer though.

It's because the defense knows we have not passing game so they overload the box. If we could pass, the line wouldn't be as bad.

 

[Cartervol]

It's because the defense knows we have not passing game so they overload the box. If we could pass, the line wouldn't be as bad.

Didn't matter last year. For whatever reason they tried to make a pocket passer out of Dobbs , it hasn't worked. Should have lined Dobbs, Hurd and Kamara up in the backfield all year and let them guess who would get the ball. This system is flawed and that's being nice.