Dooley's recruiting wasn't as bad as you think.

[Wilson27]

Jones had to patch up damage in this state with high school coaches due to Dooley. Also, finishing in the lower half of top twenty might be good if you are a Mississippi school or UK maybe but not UT. We have the biggest recruiting budget in the nation and should always do better.

 

[roddo518]

No doubt that hurt, buts that's not the sole reason they are as bad as they are. I would venture to say that its not unheard of if in a given year of oline recruits that none panned out. Injuries, defections, or just plain bad. So that excuse of no oline recruits can only go so far.

By comparison of a few SEC schools:

UT 13 offensive lineman out of 96 man roster
Ole Miss 13 out of 99
Alabama 14 out of 99
Georgia 14 out of 97
USCjr 14 out of 95
Kentucky 14 out of 99
Ark 14 out of 99
Miss St. 17 out of 98
Vandy 14 out of 98

As far as ratings I can't tell ya. Body wise we are pretty close. Not sure how much of a difference being short one or two or even three olineman makes.

With fourteen average total on roster, an established program probably has three to four from each class with several of them being redshirted a year for strength and scheme work. I would say we are at a void in there somewhere considering we have one senior starting that has one acl ligament.

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

With fourteen average total on roster, an established program probably has three to four from each class with several of them being redshirted a year for strength and scheme work. I would say we are at a void in there somewhere considering we have one senior starting that has one acl ligament.

Ok, but the numbers don't lie. You can only play five at a time. CBJ knew that we would be in the predicament that we are in. It just didn't occur over night. He knew that we were going to lose the complete starting line. Are you trying to tell me that he didn't rotate any of these guys into games last year? They may not have started, but they played. And if not what does that say?

 

[utvols74]

In 2010 Dooley signed 8 players currently on NFL rosters. These include Justin Hunter, James Stone, Mychal Rivera, Jawuan James, Da'Rick Rogers, Zach Fulton, Matt Sims, and Tyler Bray. Rajion Neal was recently cut by Green Bay. In 2011 Dooley signed A.J. Johnson, Curt Maggitt, Brian Randolph, Jordan Williams, and Antonio Richardson. In 2012 he signed Jason Croom, Alton Howard, Latroy Lewis, and 2 current NFL players Daniel McCullers and Cordarrelle Patterson. Granted numerous players over Dooley's 3 years didn't live up to expectations, but that happens in a lot of college programs.

Yes.....and with all that talent he watched as 35 seconds ticked off the clock to end the Mizz game on their 40ish yard line with 2 timeouts remaining. Result? Tie game which UT lost in OT.

When that happened, I completely lost respect for Dools.

 

[KBVol]

Bring back Dooley.....as wide receiver coach..... He is better then azanni

I'm not particularly impressed with the results Z has gotten thus far either. But I don't have any "inside info" that might bolster my opinion of the job he's doing......do you #close2Vic? 😁

 

[roddo518]

Ok, but the numbers don't lie. You can only play five at a time. CBJ knew that we would be in the predicament that we are in. It just didn't occur over night. He knew that we were going to lose the complete starting line. Are you trying to tell me that he didn't rotate any of these guys into games last year? They may not have started, but they played. And if not what does that say?

It says he had too many fires to put out everywhere else. I do think some of those backup lineman played in the secondary and LBer rotations, though.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Stop talking about Dooley......those three years were the lousiest in my life as far as Vols football goes. I'd like to put it behind me if at all possible.......and kick his ass

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

It says he had too many fires to put out everywhere else. I do think some of those backup lineman played in the secondary and LBer rotations, though.

Come on now. I'll lay it out for you and you tell me.

We have 14 (I miss counted before) offensive lineman on our roster currently.

Your contending that the reason our oline is so bad is because we didn't sign any Olineman in the 012 class. Right? So your saying that depending on how many we should have signed, lets just say four because that seems to be the average, that one or all four of those recruits would have made a difference this year? If so how?

I mean CBJ knew that we were losing our Oline after last year. Are you trying to tell me that he would have possibly been more inclined to rotate in the missing lineman instead of the players we had on our roster already? I mean what really are the chances that all four of those missing lineman from the 012 class would have been starting or have even played?

Did you know that in 2011 we had 22 offensive lineman on the roster.

2012 we had 18

2013 we had 13

2014 we have 14 and if we sign all 4 from this current recruiting class we will have 16 for 2015.

The average SEC roster carries, it looks like 14 offensive lineman on the roster. At no time in the last four years did we dip below that average.

Please and I'm being serious here, explain to me how that 2012 class has had any bearing on how bad our Oline has been this year. keep in mind that no matter how the roster would have been made up last year the starting lineman would have been the same regardless.

 

[ajvol01]

In 2010 Dooley signed 8 players currently on NFL rosters. These include Justin Hunter, James Stone, Mychal Rivera, Jawuan James, Da'Rick Rogers, Zach Fulton, Matt Sims, and Tyler Bray. Rajion Neal was recently cut by Green Bay. In 2011 Dooley signed A.J. Johnson, Curt Maggitt, Brian Randolph, Jordan Williams, and Antonio Richardson. In 2012 he signed Jason Croom, Alton Howard, Latroy Lewis, and 2 current NFL players Daniel McCullers and Cordarrelle Patterson. Granted numerous players over Dooley's 3 years didn't live up to expectations, but that happens in a lot of college programs.

41% attrition every recruiting class was definitely above average

 

[roddo518]

Come on now. I'll lay it out for you and you tell me.

We have 14 (I miss counted before) offensive lineman on our roster currently.

Your contending that the reason our oline is so bad is because we didn't sign any Olineman in the 012 class. Right? So your saying that depending on how many we should have signed, lets just say four because that seems to be the average, that one or all four of those recruits would have made a difference this year? If so how?

I mean CBJ knew that we were losing our Oline after last year. Are you trying to tell me that he would have possibly been more inclined to rotate in the missing lineman instead of the players we had on our roster already? I mean what really are the chances that all four of those missing lineman from the 012 class would have been starting or have even played?

Did you know that in 2011 we had 22 offensive lineman on the roster.

2012 we had 18

2013 we had 13

2014 we have 14 and if we sign all 4 from this current recruiting class we will have 16 for 2015.

The average SEC roster carries, it looks like 14 offensive lineman on the roster. At no time in the last four years did we dip below that average.

Please and I'm being serious here, explain to me how that 2012 class has had any bearing on how bad our Oline has been this year. keep in mind that no matter how the roster would have been made up last year the starting lineman would have been the same regardless.

Your gonna need to do a lot more research than numbers of oline. for example, were all those lineman quality recruits or just fillers that no one wanted at the end of a recruiting cycle? Did some leave early? Did some get kicked off or quit? What were the ones that were left star ratings? Were they injured this year or previous year affecting play this year? There are a lot of variables that one must consider. The one thing I'm considering is what we had on the field this year, and it was not up to par. Coach jones hasn't got his full rotation in yet, so don't start with how a second year coach should have more veteran lineman starting, that would be asinine. I think when you research all those questions, you will not need to ask my opinion. You will know the answers that are troubling you.

 

[livefaith]

I don't think talent was ever the issue. We've always had talent, it was bad coaching that took us down.

And in 2013?

 

[Carl Pickens]

Come on now. I'll lay it out for you and you tell me.

We have 14 (I miss counted before) offensive lineman on our roster currently.

Your contending that the reason our oline is so bad is because we didn't sign any Olineman in the 012 class. Right? So your saying that depending on how many we should have signed, lets just say four because that seems to be the average, that one or all four of those recruits would have made a difference this year? If so how?

I mean CBJ knew that we were losing our Oline after last year. Are you trying to tell me that he would have possibly been more inclined to rotate in the missing lineman instead of the players we had on our roster already? I mean what really are the chances that all four of those missing lineman from the 012 class would have been starting or have even played?

Did you know that in 2011 we had 22 offensive lineman on the roster.

2012 we had 18

2013 we had 13

2014 we have 14 and if we sign all 4 from this current recruiting class we will have 16 for 2015.

The average SEC roster carries, it looks like 14 offensive lineman on the roster. At no time in the last four years did we dip below that average.

Please and I'm being serious here, explain to me how that 2012 class has had any bearing on how bad our Oline has been this year. keep in mind that no matter how the roster would have been made up last year the starting lineman would have been the same regardless.

Maybe there would be one or two better athletes on the team. Could make a big difference......

 

[tm3]

Come on now. I'll lay it out for you and you tell me.

We have 14 (I miss counted before) offensive lineman on our roster currently.

Your contending that the reason our oline is so bad is because we didn't sign any Olineman in the 012 class. Right? So your saying that depending on how many we should have signed, lets just say four because that seems to be the average, that one or all four of those recruits would have made a difference this year? If so how?

I mean CBJ knew that we were losing our Oline after last year. Are you trying to tell me that he would have possibly been more inclined to rotate in the missing lineman instead of the players we had on our roster already? I mean what really are the chances that all four of those missing lineman from the 012 class would have been starting or have even played?

Did you know that in 2011 we had 22 offensive lineman on the roster.

2012 we had 18

2013 we had 13

2014 we have 14 and if we sign all 4 from this current recruiting class we will have 16 for 2015.

The average SEC roster carries, it looks like 14 offensive lineman on the roster. At no time in the last four years did we dip below that average.

Please and I'm being serious here, explain to me how that 2012 class has had any bearing on how bad our Oline has been this year. keep in mind that no matter how the roster would have been made up last year the starting lineman would have been the same regardless.

Wait, stop with the facts and logic -- it gives you an unfair advantage in the discussion.

 

[ajvol01]

Come on now. I'll lay it out for you and you tell me.

We have 14 (I miss counted before) offensive lineman on our roster currently.

Your contending that the reason our oline is so bad is because we didn't sign any Olineman in the 012 class. Right? So your saying that depending on how many we should have signed, lets just say four because that seems to be the average, that one or all four of those recruits would have made a difference this year? If so how?

I mean CBJ knew that we were losing our Oline after last year. Are you trying to tell me that he would have possibly been more inclined to rotate in the missing lineman instead of the players we had on our roster already? I mean what really are the chances that all four of those missing lineman from the 012 class would have been starting or have even played?

Did you know that in 2011 we had 22 offensive lineman on the roster.

2012 we had 18

2013 we had 13

2014 we have 14 and if we sign all 4 from this current recruiting class we will have 16 for 2015.

The average SEC roster carries, it looks like 14 offensive lineman on the roster. At no time in the last four years did we dip below that average.

Please and I'm being serious here, explain to me how that 2012 class has had any bearing on how bad our Oline has been this year. keep in mind that no matter how the roster would have been made up last year the starting lineman would have been the same regardless.

Average returning starts per O-line?

We had 8 prior to Utah State game.

 

[nagle]

Come on now. I'll lay it out for you and you tell me.

We have 14 (I miss counted before) offensive lineman on our roster currently.

Your contending that the reason our oline is so bad is because we didn't sign any Olineman in the 012 class. Right? So your saying that depending on how many we should have signed, lets just say four because that seems to be the average, that one or all four of those recruits would have made a difference this year? If so how?

I mean CBJ knew that we were losing our Oline after last year. Are you trying to tell me that he would have possibly been more inclined to rotate in the missing lineman instead of the players we had on our roster already? I mean what really are the chances that all four of those missing lineman from the 012 class would have been starting or have even played?

Did you know that in 2011 we had 22 offensive lineman on the roster.

2012 we had 18

2013 we had 13

2014 we have 14 and if we sign all 4 from this current recruiting class we will have 16 for 2015.

The average SEC roster carries, it looks like 14 offensive lineman on the roster. At no time in the last four years did we dip below that average.

Please and I'm being serious here, explain to me how that 2012 class has had any bearing on how bad our Oline has been this year. keep in mind that no matter how the roster would have been made up last year the starting lineman would have been the same regardless.

now look at the average age and how many games has each one played . see how many are playing out of position.. the answer lies some where in that direction one would presume...

 

[easybakemethlab]

In 2010 Dooley signed 8 players currently on NFL rosters. These include Justin Hunter, James Stone, Mychal Rivera, Jawuan James, Da'Rick Rogers, Zach Fulton, Matt Sims, and Tyler Bray. Rajion Neal was recently cut by Green Bay. In 2011 Dooley signed A.J. Johnson, Curt Maggitt, Brian Randolph, Jordan Williams, and Antonio Richardson. In 2012 he signed Jason Croom, Alton Howard, Latroy Lewis, and 2 current NFL players Daniel McCullers and Cordarrelle Patterson. Granted numerous players over Dooley's 3 years didn't live up to expectations, but that happens in a lot of college programs.

The number of "Dooley players" on NFL rosters actually worsens his image to me. Talent and ability were present at numerous positions, but nothing ever materialized here. Retroactively giving a coach props based on the success of an NFL player that's gone from the program for years makes little or no sense to me. Fulmer's recruiting certainly declined in his last few years, but do we retroactively give him more credit for recruiting Arian Foster given his unexpected NFL success? I love seeing Vols succeed in the pros, no doubt, but at this point I love it even more when the players develop/grow here/thrive here/win here, which Dooley was painfully inept at.

 

[TNnative]

In 2010 Dooley signed 8 players currently on NFL rosters. These include Justin Hunter, James Stone, Mychal Rivera, Jawuan James, Da'Rick Rogers, Zach Fulton, Matt Sims, and Tyler Bray. Rajion Neal was recently cut by Green Bay. In 2011 Dooley signed A.J. Johnson, Curt Maggitt, Brian Randolph, Jordan Williams, and Antonio Richardson. In 2012 he signed Jason Croom, Alton Howard, Latroy Lewis, and 2 current NFL players Daniel McCullers and Cordarrelle Patterson. Granted numerous players over Dooley's 3 years didn't live up to expectations, but that happens in a lot of college programs.

You can talk about who he brought in all you want. However, you are overlooking all the players he missed on, and the lack of recruiting connections instate that he failed to build.

Oh and just so you know, Neal is back on the Packers practice squad.

 

[UTRavens]

Wait, stop with the facts and logic -- it gives you an unfair advantage in the discussion.

Every time someone makes this sarcastic quip, 100 kittens get cancer.

There are plenty of problems with the "facts" and "logic" of his post. The first being that it's entirely reasonable to assume some of the linemen from that class would be starting, considering the fact that it would be their 3rd year and all.

The quantities he list pay little attention to the actual quality of the linemen. Few of Tennessee's 2014 o-linemen were highly regarded as recruits. And when you look at how much that number has dipped from 2011, it's fairly safe to assume many of the linemen are of the younger variety.

 

[nagle]

every time someone makes this sarcastic quip, 100 kittens get cancer.

There are plenty of problems with the "facts" and "logic" of his post. The first being that it's entirely reasonable to assume some of the linemen from that class would be starting, considering the fact that it would be their 3rd year and all.

The quantities he list pay little attention to the actual quality of the linemen. Few of tennessee's 2014 o-linemen were highly regarded as recruits. And when you look at how much that number has dipped from 2011, it's fairly safe to assume many of the linemen are of the younger variety.

 

[mickey1969]

The day Dooley allowed Da'Rickick Rogers to grab coach Bagett by the shirt & scream at him during a game without any punishment, he lost his coaching staff, they efffin quit & left him with 3 assistant coaches !!! Few recruits want to come to an atmosphere like that !!! Dooley was a trainwreck !!! The jury might still be out on coach Jones, but I Think He'll Be Fine if he can make it through the 2015 season with a decent record 7-5. His recruiting will bring the Vols back where they need to be !!! Just think what would happen if one of Butch's players grabbed an assistant coach & started screaming at him; He would really look like SGT. CARTER & that player would be escorted to the dressing room by a Tennessee Highway Patrolman, maybe never:hi::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: play another down @ TN !!! Everything is in place, just relax, breathe, be patient, & be ready to smile, GBO!!!!!!

 

[vol66]

The day Dooley allowed Da'Rickick Rogers to grab coach Bagett by the shirt & scream at him during a game without any punishment, he lost his coaching staff, they efffin quit & left him with 3 assistant coaches !!! Few recruits want to come to an atmosphere like that !!! Dooley was a trainwreck !!! The jury might still be out on coach Jones, but I Think He'll Be Fine if he can make it through the 2015 season with a decent record 7-5. His recruiting will bring the Vols back where they need to be !!! Just think what would happen if one of Butch's players grabbed an assistant coach & started screaming at him; He would really look like SGT. CARTER & that player would be escorted to the dressing room by a Tennessee Highway Patrolman, maybe never:hi::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: play another down @ TN !!! Everything is in place, just relax, breathe, be patient, & be ready to smile, GBO!!!!!!

Nailed it.

That was it for me. Tear up the contracts. Baggett has forgotten more football than Dooley could ever know and had handled some of the biggest prima donnas ever known to man. For him to be undone by Da'Rick and then to handle it so gracefully, well...to be honest... I can't find the words.

Thanks for the post, for the longest time I thought I was the only one who felt that way.

 

[thebjd]

Dooley sucked and it was really bad toward the end.

 

[dogboy]

What roster is Da'Rick is on?

He is washing cars

 

[HARTUPM]

As others have said, this is a completely deficient point by OP.

Most of the 2010 class was thanks to Lane Kiffin, not Dooley. A bulk of Dooley's 2011 class were busts and his 2012 class is why we're in the position we're in at current.

1 DB in 2012 that made it into UT.

No OL in 2012.

1 LB (King) in 2012.

See that? That's awful. Dolly's recruiting was bad and he should feel bad.

Amen. He should feel turrible, however based on the ridiculous buyout he got thanks to hammy and boys, I think he checks his account balance often and feels a lot better about everything.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

In 2010 Dooley signed 8 players currently on NFL rosters. These include Justin Hunter, James Stone, Mychal Rivera, Jawuan James, Da'Rick Rogers, Zach Fulton, Matt Sims, and Tyler Bray. Rajion Neal was recently cut by Green Bay. In 2011 Dooley signed A.J. Johnson, Curt Maggitt, Brian Randolph, Jordan Williams, and Antonio Richardson. In 2012 he signed Jason Croom, Alton Howard, Latroy Lewis, and 2 current NFL players Daniel McCullers and Cordarrelle Patterson. Granted numerous players over Dooley's 3 years didn't live up to expectations, but that happens in a lot of college programs.

Plus all those great offensive linemen he signed in 2012.