Dooley's record at La Tech is misleading...

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I posted this in the "How concerned are you about Dooley's record" thread, but wanted to put it out here for those not viewing that.

The record there seems to be the most bothersome thing for most. Would it be different if he came from a 17-20 Michigan team? Because they have name recognition, but have been pitiful recently.

But I find it to be misleading because of how unforgiving it was. This is my personal breakdown of the win/loss situation and perhaps his whole tenure there as opposed to him being at Alabama with Saban where no one would have had a problem with.



How concerned am I with the hiring of Dooley?

About 15% sums it up.

He knew he was going to a lousy situation, but he wanted to get head coaching experience and was able to do that at a job without any stress or expectation.

In year 2 he took them to their first bowl game in over 30 years.

Last year they were 4-8, but we don't know his roster situation that well. From the casual observers point of view, it's just lousy. But I don't see much difference in 4-8 and 5-6.

However, again just coming from an obsessive fan who follows everything Vols much like most of the rest on here, I see bright spots to focus on:


1. His QB threw 17 tds to only 5 ints. That has to say something. If he wasn't turning it over then why were they losing games? That comes later.

2. He had a 1,000 rusher and the team ran it for over 2,000 yards and over 4.0 ypc Against their schedule, I'd say that's successful.

3. They averaged 29.2 points per game

Last, but not least...

4. 7 of their 8 losses were against bowl teams. They ARE La Tech fellas. What do you expect? The WAC is a tough conference as it is, but you aren't doing yourself any favors by scheduling Auburn, Navy, and LSU in non-conference. That's 3 automatic losses for them in pretty much any year. Two of those three are losses for us in any given year lately.....right?

La Tech's schedule was brutal. They have minimal talent and probably had a tougher schedule than a few Big 10 and ACC teams.

I just don't see how a 4-8 record in his 3rd season being that big of a deal.

Especially after going 8-5 and beating Miss St, Fresno St. and Northern Illinois the year before.



I don't expect immediate results because our schedule the next two seasons are unbelievably brutal. However, what we will do is continue to build around what is obviously a very young team and just as the schedule eases up and they get experience playing tough games, they'll be ready to explode in 2012 and 2013.

Believe it.
 
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I kind of understand why people make a big deal about his record, but I mean seriously this guy has more experience than Kiffin does...I think he will do just fine
 
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Good post NationofVols! I appreciate the time you took to research & type this out. :good!:
 
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First, the record isn't as important as the overall trend. The trend was up. That's what all the myopic folk fail to see.

Second, in a week he's done a helleva job reviving our recruiting class (11th currently), addressing needs, and edging back toward the top ten overall classes. Lest we forget, the last staff's only class was ranked 10th last year. The had 3.5 months, he was handed a huge mess and two weeks to deal with it.

Third, after Feb 3rd he'll hire some coaches and we'll really get to speculate wildly until the Spring game.....

Go Vols!
 
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nice post,but just like any coach he will have to prove himself,but kiff had the recruiting that gave him some outs.CDD is doing great in that area considering the time he has had to work.so we will see.
 
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Enough about his record at La Tech...whether you support him or not, we all know he was 17-20, it is irrelevant to the future of UT.
 
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Enough about his record at La Tech...whether you support him or not, we all know he was 17-20, it is irrelevant to the future of UT.

I wouldn't say its irrelevant,it is a point for discussion.If anyone thinks this is not a desperation hire by MH your blind.We are all just hoping it works out like the BP hire.
 
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I wouldn't say its irrelevant,it is a point for discussion.If anyone thinks this is not a desperation hire by MH your blind.We are all just hoping it works out like the BP hire.

Any hire would have been considered "desperate" considering we were hung out to dry by Kiffin and co.

What was desperate was a good portion of the fan base that believed we were going to get Gruden, Cowher, Lovie or even Muschamp for that matter, the timing of it all left us with little room to maneuver, all in all, MH made a more than solid choice in Dooley, he is passing the recruiting test right now, time will tell but the past is not always a sign of the future.
 
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Thanks gents. allvol, I agree about his recruiting. I'm pleasantly impressed that they've been able to maintain. Obviously there have been several bodies go elsewhere, but we've been able to address needs and get a guy like Justin Hunter as well. There are players out there that LOVED Tennessee, but were probably told that they were going to have to wait and see. Those guys, like Hunter, Loften, Stanley, etc are big pick ups considering the situation. The thing that Dooley has working for him is youth. All over the field there is youth. He'll have a junior and senior class with serious experience after the next two years. Going to be great.
 
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The WAC is a tough conference? Compared to what? The Ivy League? The MEAC?
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on the sports animal radio show...maybe a day after the hire, they had on a sports writer from the La Tech area. He mentioned that one reason for the seemingly downward turn of CDD's record in the his last year there was the injury bug. He said they had something like 17-18 injuries to starters that year. I don't care who your coach is, the injury bug can hurt any program, especially one that is already out gunned in many of there "big" games.
 
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Some examples of the injury situation: Livas, his most dynamic return man/WR played the entire season w/foot and ankle injuries and for most of the year, could practice only one day a week. Boise - his all conference DB broke his leg in the 1st series. Depth was so thin he had to pull a redshirt and play a true freshman against that passing attack. LSU - 13 of his 1st 22 were true freshmen or redshirts.
 
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I just don't see how a 4-8 record in his 3rd season being that big of a deal.

If Kiffin had stayed around and gone 4-8 in his 3rd season in 2011, with all of his recruits and the previous staff well in the past, would you have thought that was no big deal as well?
 
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When we hired kiffin I never heard a word about his losing record so we should give Dooley his chance to prove that he is a good coach.
 
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When we hired kiffin I never heard a word about his losing record so we should give Dooley his chance to prove that he is a good coach.

There were plenty of people on here who raised questions about Kiffin's record in the NFL. I for one wasn't bothered, he inherited a terrible Raiders team and they did actually show some minimal improvement during his tenure. Dooley on the other hand, took over a team that had gone 16-20 in the 3 seasons before he arrived and proceded to go 17-20 during his 3 years. All this in one of the worst conferences in the nation, and he failed to improve the team at all.
 
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That's the only thing you see wrong with the first post? I guess that means DD is doing pretty good.

Maybe he meant that a many of those arguments are moot simply because the WAC is such a terrible conference. Their schecule was tough, but even if you throw out the brutal non-conference schedule, Dooley was 12-12 against the WAC in his time there, and I don't think too many fans at UT are going to be happy taking USCjr's place as the token .500 team in the SEC East.
 
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Maybe he meant that a many of those arguments are moot simply because the WAC is such a terrible conference. Their schecule was tough, but even if you throw out the brutal non-conference schedule, Dooley was 12-12 against the WAC in his time there, and I don't think too many fans at UT are going to be happy taking USCjr's place as the token .500 team in the SEC East.

Yeah, but they are Louisiana Tech.
 
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You made some good points. I don't agree that the WAC is a tough conference though.
 

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