Dooley's contract will keep him here...

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2ironVol said:
I am NOT saying Mike Hamilton did a great job. He didn't do as bad as ill-informed people like you say though.

Everything he touched??? LOL at your ignorance..The basketball program got completely revived while he was here. Was it all his doing? Absolutely not, but it just shows you know very little as to how you speak
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What part of "JUST about everything he touched" did you miss goob?
Yes he hired a coach that no other school would touch due to Pearl being black listed by pretty much the entire college basketball world. I'm glad he hired him and Pearl did a great job of getting the program going again.
But that's just about all MH can hang his hat on.
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arkyvol said:
lemme return the favor. not one of the coaches at "EVERY major bcs school" was pulled out of the bush leagues with a losing record.
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True,we got lucky with DD.Best hire since that baseball coach they just fired.
 
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TNinSC said:
"Under terms of his contract signed March 3, 2010, Tennessee would owe Dooley $5 million if he were fired prior to Feb. 16, 2013. The figure drops to $4 million in 2014-15 and to $2.5 million after Feb. 15, 2015. Those reckless, extravagant figures were approved by then-athletics director Mike Hamilton, president Joe DiPietro and the university trustees."

These numbers are just too large to dismiss Dooley any time soon. The lawyer prevailed over Mike Hamilton...

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So you are saying UT should fire him now, since it won't cost anymore then if UT waits another season?
 
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81Bubbavol said:
If you remember at the time the VolNation was in meltdown mode that their coach (CLK) was allowed to leave after one year and only pay a pittance ($800,000 IIRC). Thus one of MH's primary goals was to raise the penalty payment significantly to prevent deja vu all over again. Well guess what guys, if you want something then you're going to have to pony up something to get it. The penalty payment went up and therefore so did the buyout. After two coaches in two years nobody was worried about "protecting" the university so that they could fire CDD after two years and go through it all over again.

Gripe all you want, but if you were negotiating CDD's initial contract I'd venture to say you would have done the same thing.

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If I was negotiating the contract I would have never offered CDD in the first place.
 
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I am bringing this one back up to the top because its obvious that none of you guys have any experience in contract negotiations.

First of all we wanted a major buyout if he left us for lets say UGA, who at the time Dooley was hired Richt was feeling a lot of heat, and we couldn't afford to have another one and done so thus we asked for a huge buyout because it would scare other schools away.

When you ask for major buyout anyone knows that they are going to want something in return. A huge buyout if we fired Dooley. Its obvious he knew what kind of shape we were in and felt it was going to take a while to rebuild, that is why it doesn't really going down to 2.5 million until after the 5th year I believe.

With that said 5 million is pretty common now, Gill received 5 million from Kansas after his second full year. So for Dooley to have a 5 million dollar buyout isn't that big of a deal.
 
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This is put in a contract to protect against knee-jerk reaction coaching changes..it is basically a.. "ok ill come coach for you if you promise to give me 4 to 5 years to actually rebuild your completely decimated program"..

No you cant do it in 2... 3 is pretty amazing if you do... 4 is the norm

we aren't talking about just a regular coaching change.. this is taking over a nuclear bomb zone and trying to turn it into trump towers.
 
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Flvol77 said:
I am bringing this one back up to the top because its obvious that none of you guys have any experience in contract negotiations.

First of all we wanted a major buyout if he left us for lets say UGA, who at the time Dooley was hired Richt was feeling a lot of heat, and we couldn't afford to have another one and done so thus we asked for a huge buyout because it would scare other schools away.

When you ask for major buyout anyone knows that they are going to want something in return. A huge buyout if we fired Dooley. Its obvious he knew what kind of shape we were in and felt it was going to take a while to rebuild, that is why it doesn't really going down to 2.5 million until after the 5th year I believe.

With that said 5 million is pretty common now, Gill received 5 million from Kansas after his second full year. So for Dooley to have a 5 million dollar buyout isn't that big of a deal.
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:lolabove: Urban Meyer has no buyout clause in his Ohio State contract, and Saban's contract does not have a buyout either. Both are in more demand than DD and took over programs on probation. Isn't Dooley supposed to be like Saban.
 
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vols-1 said:
:lolabove: Urban Meyer has no buyout clause in his Ohio State contract, and Saban's contract does not have a buyout either. Both are in more demand than DD and took over programs on probation. Isn't Dooley supposed to be like Saban.
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link? I would like to see it, yes I could look for myself.. but the burden of proof is on you.
 
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ImportedVoL said:
link? I would like to see it, yes I could look for myself.. but the burden of proof is on you.
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"no buyout clause mentioned for Meyer"

no buyout clause mentioned

"Saban's deal limits required public appearances, doesn't include buyout clause"


Saban's deal limits required public appearances, doesn't include buyout clause - College Football - ESPN



"Saban has never been a fan of the buyout clause and Mal Moore knew that when he contacted him at his previous job with the Miami Dolphins. Expensive buyout clauses have become standard fare in the coaching world these days.

Buy outs were originally designed in an attempt to make it harder for coaches to jump ship to greener pastures while under contract. They also served the purpose of making it far to costly for a school itself to just replace their Head Coach without paying a stiff price.

The truth of the matter is though a buyout has never stopped a school from either hiring or firing a coach if they wanted to make it happen bad enough. To big-time college boosters, they're really nothing more than a financial speed bump."
 
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ImportedVoL said:
Neither one has a buyout if they decide to leave either.. so they can go to another school if the going gets rough and just leave the school out to dry.

Wasn't everyone complaining about how kiffin's buy out was not high enough or whatever when he left? Now you all are going to complain they are too high?
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USC had the money to pay triple what Kiffin's TN buyout was. You cant make a coach stay if he wants to leave. Urban Meyer walked away from FL and took a year off.

Buyouts for unproven coaches dont make sense. 'IF' the coach works out then give him a better deal after he's earned it, like James Franklin.
 
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After '08: Nick Saban Contract Has No Buyout Clause, Allowing Him To Leave At Any Time | NCAAF | Alabama Crimson Tide

"Their recent contract extension for Saban was a demonstration of their confidence and faith in Saban... but was it too much? It doesn't include the one thing that you would think should be the most important thing in ANY Saban contract: a buyout.

As the contract stands now, Saban could leave at any time. If he felt like leaving Alabama right now and coaching... say... USC, if Pete Carroll were to leave for an NFL job, then he could do so, without giving Alabama a single penny. That's obviously a stretch, because Pete Carroll has no plans (that we know of) to leave for the NFL, and we have no idea if USC would be interested in Saban anyway. However, if they were, imagine the appeal for someone like Nick Saban. With his recruiting skills and the unlimited resources at USC, combined with the relatively weak conference opponents, Saban could be in the title game on an annual basis. That definitely has some appeal."



Quote at the end-
When I was Alabama head coach I NEVER asked for a buyout.

-Paul "Bear" Bryant
 
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This just shows the incompetance of Mike Hamilton. Glad he isn't the AD anymore.

Also, anyone who thinks Dooley's buyout will keep him as our coach for the rest of his contract regardless of results on the field is kidding themselves IMO.
 
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ImportedVoL said:
Neither one has a buyout if they decide to leave either.. so they can go to another school if the going gets rough and just leave the school out to dry.

Wasn't everyone complaining about how kiffin's buy out was not high enough or whatever when he left? Now you all are going to complain they are too high?
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The contract and the termination clauses should have been written with clear and well-defined performance standards not just dollar amounts.

Example: If in the 3rd year Coach winning % is less 75% the school's buyout is reduced by losing %. If his winning % greater 75% then reduce his buyout.
 
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Strange all these insane buyout threads started after the Kentucky game and not right after the Cincinnati game
 
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mchandl7 said:
Because Dooley I think realized that this was an impossible situation and barring a miracle he would be on the hot seat by year 2 (which he is), but the buyout basically forces us to give him time.
Hamilton agreed to it because his last hire had such a low buyout that it made Hammy look bad when he left, and Hammy was paranoid that if DD won that UGA would come calling.
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And because Hamilton made a mistake with that contract.
 
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The reason and i remember most of you demanding it was not to be done the way quiffin did us
 
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