Dooley vs Franklin

#76
#76
DrunkJohnny said:
How good would Oklahoma be without Landry and Broyles? How about Bama without McCarron and Richardson? How about OSU without Weeden and Blackmon? Standford without Luck and Taylor?

I think LSU, and possibly Oregon are the only two teams I can point to that wouldn't be decimated if they lost their QB and best playmaker.

It's not really hard to grasp, guys.
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Apparently it is. I think you overestimate the intelligence of some of the posters here. Which is understood because they obviously overestimate their football IQ.
 
#77
#77
You guys I get what he is saying:

He thinks there shouldn't be much of a drop off from Bray to Simms or Worley and because that seems to be the case it's all on the coaches.
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#78
#78
StlCardinals2618 said:
I could understand Bama, to a point, because Lacy and Simms are both good players. Stanford has a terrible defense and they just found a running game which is probably due to having Luck. Without Luck, Stanford doesn't win 6 games.
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Simms and Lacy would get beat by 17+ against LSU this weekend. Don't kid yourself. Simms has looked awful in the meaningless snaps he's had this year.
 
#82
#82
DrunkJohnny said:
Possibly. I don't know how good Simms is. From what I've seen in his limited time, it ain't pretty.
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Saban could find ways to squeeze out points from Lacy since their oline is awesome, plus their defense would still win them games. Thats they I look at it, looks like we wont ever know though
 
#84
#84
StlCardinals2618 said:
Saban could find ways to squeeze out points from Lacy since their oline is awesome, plus their defense would still win them games. Thats they I look at it, looks like we wont ever know though
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Again, not so sure. This is all hypothetical obviously, just an interesting topic.

...but Bama had to throw the ball to beat us.
 
#87
#87
DrunkJohnny said:
Again, not so sure. This is all hypothetical obviously, just an interesting topic.

...but Bama had to throw the ball to beat us.
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Thats true, but how many would score on their defense. Besides LSU, Arky, and maybe Georgia and Lattimore-USCjr. I cant think of anyone could put up more than 21 against bama. Arky only put up 14 and they have the most explosive offense in the SEC
 
#88
#88
StlCardinals2618 said:
Thats true, but how many would score on their defense. Besides LSU, Arky, and maybe Georgia and Lattimore-USCjr. I cant think of anyone could put up more than 21 against bama. Arky only put up 14 and they have the most explosive offense in the SEC
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All true. LSU, and possibly Alabama, and possibly Oregon are all exceptions to this rule. Certainly they would all be better than Stanford without Luck, Oklahoma without Landry and Broyles, etc etc.


LSU would be, by far, the best team if you could take the two best players off of every roster.
 
#89
#89
DrunkJohnny said:
Who have they beaten without Lattimore?

And Shaw isn't their starter by injury. He won the job, Spurrier thought he was better than Garcia. Not comparable.
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A decent MS State team in the second half. The starting LT has been out also, and is probably the second biggest loss of all.
 
#92
#92
97srad750 said:
South Carolina?
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USCjr switching from Garcia to Shaw is like UT switching from Simms to Bray in that Shaw was always better. He was waiting for his opportunity...

Losing Lattimore was big but they still have Jeffrey and Shaw can hurt you with his feet (a la Murray at UGA). There is some drop off but not much...
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#93
#93
pharmDvol11 said:
USCjr switching from Garcia to Shaw is like UT switching from Simms to Bray in that Shaw was always better. He was waiting for his opportunity...

Losing Lattimore was big but they still have Jeffrey and Shaw can hurt you with his feet (a la Murray at UGA). There is some drop off but not much...
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But Garcia was a senior and that's all that matters so Garcia has to be better than Shaw.
 
#94
#94
volfanjustin said:
But Garcia was a senior and that's all that matters so Garcia has to be better than Shaw.
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Well that and he was on the preseason All SEC team. You still should feel comfortable with a 5th year senior. It doesn't change that he was the starter up until a few weeks ago.
 
#95
#95
97srad750 said:
Well that and he was on the preseason All SEC team. You still should feel comfortable with a 5th year senior. It doesn't change that he was the starter up until a few weeks ago.
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According to some on here seniors are more important than talent. So Shaw is better than Garcia and Simms is better than Bray.
 
#97
#97
I get that we are badly depleted and that losing Hunter, Bray, Jackson, Lathers, et al. was going to severely hamper our prospects this season, and it has. But I think what many are concerned with, myself included, are the silly mistakes (like false starts on 4th and short in consecutive weeks) and other signs that seem to show that the staff is perhaps not coaching up the players to their full potential (limited though that potential may be).

What has folks frustrated, if we're going to compare ourselves to Vanderbilt, is that Vandy seems to fight hard in every situation, whereas we seem to have, in Wes Rucker's words, a glass jaw: one hit and we go down.
 
#98
#98
GoBigOrange86 said:
I get that we are badly depleted and that losing Hunter, Bray, Jackson, Lathers, et al. was going to severely hamper our prospects this season, and it has. But I think what many are concerned with, myself included, are the silly mistakes (like false starts on 4th and short in consecutive weeks) and other signs that seem to show that the staff is perhaps not coaching up the players to their full potential (limited though that potential may be).

What has folks frustrated, if we're going to compare ourselves to Vanderbilt, is that Vandy seems to fight hard in every situation, whereas we seem to have, in Wes Rucker's words, a glass jaw: one hit and we go down.
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That's a fair concern. We are playing a lot of young guys right now that have talent that are playing well (see: Maggitt, AJ, and recently Arnett). Unfortunately a few too many have been forced into a starting role when in reality they probably need a year or 2 to develop (see: the Oline problems and DB problems). Worley is probably the best and perfect example of a guy being asked to take the reigns when best-case scenario he shouldn't be on our radar until next year. That's a LOT of pressure for a kid and it's hard to coach. You can say it happens all the time but, well, look at the QBs at Florida.
 
#99
#99
Franklin inherited a team with a full roster including juniors and seniors that have been together for 4 years. Any SEC team of experienced juniors and seniors can BE coached up easier than inexperienced freshmen and sophomores. It is just that simple! We will be fortunate to beat them and I won't be surprised if we don't this year. That's just how far down we are and it isn't DD's fault, he's the guy trying to put us back together. He wants to win as much or more than we do, and to all you guys wanting him fired....I hope his mother finds out where you live!
 
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