Dooley on Basilio

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With the exception of the official hiring day, this is the first interview i have heard. It sounds like he is going to bring the pain on Saturdays. I only wonder if there is enough excitement in the players.
 
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I just listened to the interview. I like our coach.

There is something, however, that I'm not that excited about. Coach Dooley has consistently talked about developing a "philosophy" and implementing a "process." In this interview, he went a step further. He said that he doesn't worry about the wins or losses, he is concerned mainly to implement a process. If that is done successfully, says coach, the wins will be a "byproduct of the process."

I kinda get that, but, as an athlete and a competitor, I don't like the approach. In my opinion, you absolutely focus on winning. Winning and the desire to win are what dictate any good process- not the other way round. The process, in other words, should be a byproduct of an intense desire to win.

I'm sure our coach understands that and has his reasons to focus on his "process," but I wish he sounded more like a winner. Then again, Nick Saban doesn't much sound like a winner, he simply is one. Thoughts?
 
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I understand what you are saying but you dont win unless you have a top notch process. Its hard to wind just going out and running around.


Rusty
 
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yes i agree. It kinda feels like a good brickmason laying a great foundation but does not know how the outlook of the rest of the building will be. Why do i feel like this is going to be Dave Clawson all over again.
 
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RustyBas said:
I understand what you are saying but you dont win unless you have a top notch process. Its hard to wind just going out and running around.


Rusty
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agreed. what i'm saying is that a top-notch process is the byproduct of wanting wins- not the other way around.
 
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kngjabez said:
yes i agree. It kinda feels like a good brickmason laying a great foundation but does not know how the outlook of the rest of the building will be. Why do i feel like this is going to be Dave Clawson all over again.
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good analogy about the mason. i don't think, however, this situation is comparable to clawson.

what i do think is that we are really going to have to be patient with this coach if he's going to be successful- unlike kiffin who would've been successful really quickly.
 
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kngjabez said:
Why do i feel like this is going to be Dave Clawson all over again.
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you mean the Clawson that was so bad he got a D-I HC gig after leaving UT?

the process produces wins. It's not a difficult concept to me
 
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utvolpj said:
you mean the Clawson that was so bad he got a D-I HC gig after leaving UT?

the process produces wins. It's not a difficult concept to me
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you might be missing my point- i might not be making it well: when our coach says that "wins are simply a byproduct of the process," then what is the actual goal of the process? the process itself? if the goal is winning, then winning is not a byproduct.
 
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DownTheField said:
you might be missing my point- i might not be making it well: when our coach says that "wins are simply a byproduct of the process," then what is the actual goal of the process? the process itself? if the goal is winning, then winning is not a byproduct.
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IMO, he's talking about process because it wouldn't be very popular to blurt out the truth and say, "We're probably going to struggle in the near term due to the coaching transition and lack of talent, so we need to be focused on doing things right so that the wins will come later."
 
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kngjabez said:
yes i agree. It kinda feels like a good brickmason laying a great foundation but does not know how the outlook of the rest of the building will be. Why do i feel like this is going to be Dave Clawson all over again.
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It's more like a builder saying, "The only thing that matters is getting the walls up!" without ever having an architect draw up some plans. I like the good foundation and process approach. The bricks need to be in the right place, or even if you get something built, it's not going to last.
 
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DownTheField said:
you might be missing my point- i might not be making it well: when our coach says that "wins are simply a byproduct of the process," then what is the actual goal of the process? the process itself? if the goal is winning, then winning is not a byproduct.
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I get it but just don't agree. It's like working out to lose weight, diet and exercise are the process and a better body takes care of itself. He's not saying wins aren't the ultimate goal but the groundwork has to be laid for that to ever happen
 
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GAVol said:
IMO, he's talking about process because it wouldn't be very popular to blurt out the truth and say, "We're probably going to struggle in the near term due to the coaching transition and lack of talent, so we need to be focused on doing things right so that the wins will come later."
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yeah, this sounds right; and, i guess, a pretty good strategy as well.
 
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It's all just talk until we see how this team competes and how this staff recruits with a whole year to work with.

Next year is going to be rough, would have also been rough with Kiffin here. Douglas would still be messed up and the rest of the o-line and d-line and qbs would be the same as now.

Setting a culture of hard work, discipline and physical football is the most important thing Dooley can do at this point. Wins will be hard to come by regardless who the coach is next year so might as well get the system set-up and start building on that. If he's successful the wins will start coming in 2011 and after.
 
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VolinDawgland said:
It's all just talk until we see how this team competes and how this staff recruits with a whole year to work with.

Next year is going to be rough, would have also been rough with Kiffin here. Douglas would still be messed up and the rest of the o-line and d-line and qbs would be the same as now.

Setting a culture of hard work, discipline and physical football is the most important thing Dooley can do at this point. Wins will be hard to come by regardless who the coach is next year so might as well get the system set-up and start building on that. If he's successful the wins will start coming in 2011 and after.
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good points- similar to GaVol's point... I agree. I guess I would still like to hear some confidence or moxie from our coach at this point- you know, fire up the troops and all.
 
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Obviously y'all don't listen to a whole lot of Nick Saban interviews because everything that Dooley said is taken verbatim from previous Savan statements. I can't remember who the interviewer was, (possibly finebaum), but he was asking Mrs. Saban about being married to CNS and he said something along the lines of "if sex was as much as a process as his coaching, then you'd never have children." Dooley is just straight out of the Saban philosphy of coaching. It's not fun or glamorous, but I really think that we'll see some results in a couple of years.
For Nick Saban, The Process Finally Has an End in Sight | Bleacher Report
 
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volinathens said:
Obviously y'all don't listen to a whole lot of Nick Saban interviews because everything that Dooley said is taken verbatim from previous Savan statements. I can't remember who the interviewer was, (possibly finebaum), but he was asking Mrs. Saban about being married to CNS and he said something along the lines of "if sex was as much as a process as his coaching, then you'd never have children." Dooley is just straight out of the Saban philosphy of coaching. It's not fun or glamorous, but I really think that we'll see some results in a couple of years.
For Nick Saban, The Process Finally Has an End in Sight | Bleacher Report
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yet i mentioned this is my original post, so, yes, something is obvious.. and, by the way, no one is really agreeing with my sentiment.. so, something is even more obvious
 
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I understand the OP's point in the sense that he could say more about why this/his/Saban's process will produce wins. In the end from what I've read though DD's about the product not the marketing so we'll have to hope his product sells itself! All I care about is if the players buy in, that's what matters now until UT-Martin.
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DD4ME said:
I understand the OP's point in the sense that he could say more about why this/his/Saban's process will produce wins. In the end from what I've read though DD's about the product not the marketing so we'll have to hope his product sells itself! All I care about is if the players buy in, that's what matters now until UT-Martin.
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this is one of the main concerns i have... BUT, like i said, i like our coach and I, for one, am willing to be patient
 
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Bet Basilio was sweating wondering if Dooley knew that he had guessed EVERYONE but him would be the HC of the Vols! Lol
Bones never lie.
 
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Something else, why do I think JChaney is bigger than Dooley. By bigger, i mean more interesting and know what he is doing.
 
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DownTheField said:
good analogy about the mason. i don't think, however, this situation is comparable to clawson.

what i do think is that we are really going to have to be patient with this coach if he's going to be successful- unlike kiffin who would've been successful really quickly.
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What makes you think Kiffen was going to be successful. We would have ended up on probation if he had of stayed.
 
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i am definitely a fan of CJC from the 1st time i heard him talk football... i think he will be more in his element now that he has the reins
 
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