Dooley is over his head

#151
#151
TheVol_Tihts said:
Dooley doesn't deserve ridicule OR PRAISE yet imo. People saying he is the best thing since sliced bread are just as crazy as the people saying he's failing.
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I haven't seen ANYONE on this board who believes Dooley is the "best thing since sliced bread". However, I have lost count of how many idiots have bashed him. The only logical thing to do as a fan is to sit back and let him do his job before you call for his head.

"Patience is a virtue"

Many fans on here are far from virtuous.
 
#152
#152
Volfan_TrappedN_KY said:
Dooley is Fulmer 2.0

150lbs less and better hair

The Sheep are blind though
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I dunno when you started watching UT football...but Phillip Fulmer knew who was in his area code much less the stadium. Granted the last few recruiting years were dropping off , but that was as much to do with the resurgence of Georgia, Florida and Alabama having a legit coaching staff. He would not be calling defensive ends "Wide Receivers" and oblivious to a high end recruit being in his own spring game.
 
#153
#153
Wezcoast said:
I dunno when you started watching UT football...but Phillip Fulmer knew who was in his area code much less the stadium. Granted the last few recruiting years were dropping off , but that was as much to do with the resurgence of Georgia, Florida and Alabama having a legit coaching staff. He would not be calling defensive ends "Wide Receivers" and oblivious to a high end recruit being in his own spring game.
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Yea...there were only 50 18 year old kids there. How dare him not know every single one's name, position, etc.. :thumbsup:
 
#154
#154
Wezcoast said:
I dunno when you started watching UT football...but Phillip Fulmer knew who was in his area code much less the stadium. Granted the last few recruiting years were dropping off , but that was as much to do with the resurgence of Georgia, Florida and Alabama having a legit coaching staff. He would not be calling defensive ends "Wide Receivers" and oblivious to a high end recruit being in his own spring game.
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Do you mean the guy who forgot about Hardesty during the Bama game?
 
#155
#155
VolDad said:
Do you mean the guy who forgot about Hardesty during the Bama game?
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That was none other than our own RB coach.
Larry Porter

The Rumor is he secretly suspended foster for 1/2 of the game.

It was all Fulmer could do to keep Hardesty on the team after the "brain fart"
 
#156
#156
Wezcoast said:
I dunno when you started watching UT football...but Phillip Fulmer knew who was in his area code much less the stadium. Granted the last few recruiting years were dropping off , but that was as much to do with the resurgence of Georgia, Florida and Alabama having a legit coaching staff. He would not be calling defensive ends "Wide Receivers" and oblivious to a high end recruit being in his own spring game.
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Please give me some local talent Phillip Recruited that turned out to be worth a crap.

I'll name you a TON of busts though.
 
#160
#160
DC Vol said:
How local?

Chad Pennington slipped right by him.
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Patrick Willis
Golden Tate
Michael Ohrer (Ole Miss Adpotive Homers more influence)
Randall Cobb

Those are ones that slipped by.

Instead we got

AD80 (A one time Freshman AA OT, who now chases his hip hop dreams and swallows pills)
The Infamous Brandon Warren Debacle
BJ Coleman-Quitter

The list goes on
 
#162
#162
utvolpj said:
so was Chad going to beat out Peyton or Tee?
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Pennington was 2 years behind Manning, so very doubtful. He might have been able to beat out Martin. Though, there is no saying as to if Pennington would have had the same success at UT that he had at Marshall. If he did have equivalent success... that might have drastically changed UT's course in the ensuing years after Manning left.

My only point was there was a future 1st Rounder and 10 year (and counting) starter in Fulmer's area code that went right by him.
 
#163
#163
Fijivol72 said:
if this wan't a pattern we just chalk it up. But the NC kid was shafted in the same way and verbal's to Clemson. 4 months is plenty of time to get organized and knowing your player's and recruits, someone should have been assigned to each recruit here, so if 50 show then its not a circus, you break them down by position and have the position coaches TCof business. I was also less than inspired by the spring game and "annoiting" Simms when on record nothing would be decided before fall smells pretty bad especially after Simms' performance. Again just wasn't handled right. Add to these facts our loss of players and no verbals and it look like Barney Fife is running the show and it's scary.
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Just because you are hurt some kid you wanted him to sign does not it becomes a pattern? Seriously I can promise you that if there was a kid he wanted he would not drop the ball. There will be plenty of players. We as fans will see film on many kids and get all hot and bothered over them and lose sight of thing's.

Why is it people no longer want to think these days? He is walking into a new program he needs to bring his type of players in. Those players might not be the same type of players we are used to. Everyone around here seems to have turned into star queens. Yes 5 star recruits look nice on paper but if a kid does not fit your system/needs then those ratings lose a lot of value. Secondly as LV has pointed out on many an occasion (and sorry if I misunderstood your stance in advance LV) most of the star ratings are based a lot less on actual scouting but hype and how many offers they have.

Seriously recruit access is so limited these days that the person taking and splicing the kids film clips can have more impact on his rating than his actual ability. Seriously take enough film of any kid and splice the right parts together totally out of context and you can turn an average player into a superstar. Good recruiters do their own footwork. So no I don't want our coaches offering everyone just because FL did. Trust me every team offers plenty of guys they have no intention of ever signing just to throw bad recruiters off.

I don't care how many names he forgets or 2 stars he signs as long as he translates his recruiting classes into some wins in the next 3 years. Fact is CLK would have been in a similar situation roster wise this season and I guarantee it had a role in his bolting. Anyone that thinks the 2.5 players that left would have made a huge difference does not understand the game of football. Would they have helped yeah but seriously Stevens played no better than Simms up till the point he left. In fact he played a bit worse evidenced by him getting bumped to 3rd string. Brown might have stayed but once again is just as untested as the other RB's on the roster. The other kid was likely gone either way and if the stories are true leaving is the best thing that could happen for the kid.

End of day if you are a Vols fan how about acting like one instead of being our own worst enemy. This upcoming season would have been rough under any coach/staff that is fact. The season after may or may not b rough also. Either way Dooley is going to be our coach 3 years minimum. The sooner folks learn math and simple economics they sooner they can stop whining purposelessly and get on the bus. We are stuck on this and the best way to make the trip work smoothly is to be civil.
 
#164
#164
Volfan_TrappedN_KY said:
Patrick Willis
Golden Tate
Michael Ohrer (Ole Miss Adpotive Homers more influence)
Randall Cobb

Those are ones that slipped by.

Instead we got

AD80 (A one time Freshman AA OT, who now chases his hip hop dreams and swallows pills)
The Infamous Brandon Warren Debacle
BJ Coleman-Quitter

The list goes on
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Please tell me you're joking. I'll give you the benefit of using lube and only give you 1st Rounders (off the top of my head).

Al Wilson
Justin Harrell
John Henderson
Dan Williams
Jason Witten

EDIT for adding in:

Eddie Moore
Chad Clifton
Andre Lott
Troy Fleming
Colquitts (all 400 of them)
Jacques McClendon
Eric Westmoreland
Cedrick Wilson
 
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#167
#167
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Who says this kid is THAT high profile?? The rankings aren't even out yet, and some seem to be anointing this kids as the next Orlando Pace.
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Boston College
Cincinatti
Clemson
UCONN
Duke
Florida
Maryland
Rutgers
South Carolina
Vandy
Virginia
West Virginia
Wisconsin


That's pretty good list.
 
#169
#169
Hating your coach even before he ever calls a game makes no sense. Even if i didnt like dooley, i am excited about the assistants and look forward to seeing what they can do, including recruitment. maybe i am a rare fan who enjoys the process as well a winning.

if i was a top recruit interested in UT and looking at all thats occurred at UT in the recent past, id be taking my time and want to see how the team develops through the season.

dooley could be helping us out by at least commenting on the process, if not the details but its his decision.

i may be a dooley hater by december, but just dont have enough to go on to make that decision now.
 
#171
#171
Volfan_TrappedN_KY said:
Please give me some local talent Phillip Recruited that turned out to be worth a crap.

I'll name you a TON of busts though.
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Funny how people see what they want to see. One of the guys you named was a transfer. But lets be real There are literally cities that put out more legit prospects than TN does. That is a fact it does not feel good to admit but dealing with it is the first step in getting a clue. Putting a fence around TN sounds good on paper but in practice we are best not to. Everyone gets all overexcited about the guy in our own back yard and playing at home is usually a bad life lesson for some of these kids. Penning ton if I recall wasn't recruited by a lot of people didn't he come out of Marshall? Thought so.

How about a realistic look at the "top" recruits that came out of state the last 10 or so years. How man really lived up the hype compared to how many were rated high? Not many. Warren and the rapper are both very local in fact from the same general area both of them turned out great huh? Warren was a transfer from FSU btw for those that forgot. I hear about guys from down here all the time and watch them go up to UT and stink it up every few years. Jacques I hope will swing the trend another way.

Really how about we focus on real facts placed in context instead of cherry picking the past to fit our arguments?
 
#173
#173
govols182 said:
Boston College
Cincinatti
Clemson
UCONN
Duke
Florida
Maryland
Rutgers
South Carolina
Vandy
Virginia
West Virginia
Wisconsin


That's pretty good list.
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True, but we've offered other OTs with stronger offer lists (particularly Hobbi and Kouandjio). I just think that the staff wasn't going after this kid too hard and he's a little butthurt about it.
 
#174
#174
DC Vol said:
Pennington was 2 years behind Manning, so very doubtful. He might have been able to beat out Martin. Though, there is no saying as to if Pennington would have had the same success at UT that he had at Marshall. If he did have equivalent success... that might have drastically changed UT's course in the ensuing years after Manning left.

My only point was there was a future 1st Rounder and 10 year (and counting) starter in Fulmer's area code that went right by him.
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Do you know how little Chad was coming out of high school? Do you know how many schools offered? Do you know he was given a chance to walk on but the thought of him at the time was he was way to short and small. Dude grew a ton in his first 2 yeasrs after high school. Why else do you think no big schools offered. UT knew all about Chad, trust me.
 
#175
#175
DC Vol said:
True, but we've offered other OTs with stronger offer lists (particularly Hobbi and Kouandjio). I just think that the staff wasn't going after this kid too hard and he's a little butthurt about it.
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We have no chance with those two.
 
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