Dooley is over his head

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RhodeIslandVol said:
I get the feeling the last staff we had worked their asses off...moreso than the current one. Granted, we don't get a lot of feedback from Dooley's crew, but remember those stories where Kiffin would sleep on his couch because he was working 18 hour days or something? I want my coach doing this. I want my coach sleeping in his damn office.
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I think it was more because he was too plastered to drive home. In most businesses, the guys who are always telling you how hard they work are not the ones really doing the work. The real work horses get the job done and you know they did it without them having to tell you.
 
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Volfan_TrappedN_KY said:
Dooltabby needs to have a come to jesus meeting with himself and soon.

I'll support TN football even when we suck so bad we are the laughing stock.

However having a coach who can't even get organized enough to know when top recruits are at our own O&W game is atrocious.

Also acknowledging a top 100 DE prospect as a WR is uncalled for.

Call me a negavol , call me what you want.

This isn't the WAC.
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you won't have to worry dooley and hamilton both will be gone in 2 years. dooley is in over his head, he has never been the head man at a bigtime program before. it's common sense that he will fail, he doesn't have nicky satan to bail him out. tennessee needs to fix there problems now starting with hamilton. he should have already been shown the door.
 
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and my golf game was pretty good and the sailing was wonderful. The only thing I missed was being pushed down the stairs. Now on to the meat of the matter. The SEC is not the WAC and we can not win with 2 star recruits like BS can in the WAC. Terry Joseph has had no higher position than the RC at La Tech which is minor league ball comparatively speaking. Dooley should be judged on his record but the early indications are that he just might be in over his head and can we afford and do we want a coach with such a huge learning curve??? I think now that the shock factor has subsided reality has hit that we not only are really lacking depth but players that could have helped have left. So now we have a coach that many believe isn't up to standard making dumb rookie mistakes, we have no excitement around the program, and these guys act like the keystone cops with more than one recruiting mistake, followed by another. to a rational mind it gives great cause for concern. You may not like to hear it but it is the truth.
 
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warrior said:
I think it was more because he was too plastered to drive home. In most businesses, the guys who are always telling you how hard they work are not the ones really doing the work. The real work horses get the job done and you know they did it without them having to tell you.
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They looked pretty up tempo in everything they did, honestly.
 
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Volfan_TrappedN_KY said:
Dooltabby needs to have a come to jesus meeting with himself and soon.

I'll support TN football even when we suck so bad we are the laughing stock.

However having a coach who can't even get organized enough to know when top recruits are at our own O&W game is atrocious.

Also acknowledging a top 100 DE prospect as a WR is uncalled for.

Call me a negavol , call me what you want.

This isn't the WAC.
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Its a tad bit early for this type of reaction, don't ya think?
 

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champyvol said:
you won't have to worry dooley and hamilton both will be gone in 2 years. dooley is in over his head, he has never been the head man at a bigtime program before. it's common sense that he will fail, he doesn't have nicky satan to bail him out. tennessee needs to fix there problems now starting with hamilton. he should have already been shown the door.
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Hamilton may be gone in 2 years Dooley will be here at least least 3 if he is good or not. I actually prefer it that way because it takes a good 3 years to get a program going. Like a lot of people ignore about his run at LATech he was on track to getting them in contention in the WAC or at least as close to that as was possible in that situation.

Dooleys steep buyout protects the University from him leaving or stupid fans overreacting. Short of him going on a rampage and feels up a bus full of nun's his job is safe for 3-4 year's.
 
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pimo1 said:
Like a lot of people ignore about his run at LATech he was on track to getting them in contention in the WAC or at least as close to that as was possible in that situation.
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I'm not a Dooley hater, but how was he "on track"? LA Tech went 4-8 last year... regardless of the reasons people want to throw out there. I wouldn't consider his time there as a "run" that he made.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
and my golf game was pretty good and the sailing was wonderful. The only thing I missed was being pushed down the stairs. Now on to the meat of the matter. The SEC is not the WAC and we can not win with 2 star recruits like BS can in the WAC. Terry Joseph has had no higher position than the RC at La Tech which is minor league ball comparatively speaking. Dooley should be judged on his record but the early indications are that he just might be in over his head and can we afford and do we want a coach with such a huge learning curve??? I think now that the shock factor has subsided reality has hit that we not only are really lacking depth but players that could have helped have left. So now we have a coach that many believe isn't up to standard making dumb rookie mistakes, we have no excitement around the program, and these guys act like the keystone cops with more than one recruiting mistake, followed by another. to a rational mind it gives great cause for concern. You may not like to hear it but it is the truth.
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The only thing that's wrong here is vol's fans acting like the opposition. It is sad plain sad when UK and FL and even *gasp BAMA fans are some of the few voices of reason in our forums and you guys should be ashamed.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
I'm not a Dooley hater, but how was he "on track"? LA Tech went 4-8 last year... regardless of the reasons people want to throw out there. I wouldn't consider his time there as a "run" that he made.
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And the year before they won a Bowl game he was on track to changing that school around. So in the last 3 years he won just as many bowl games as UT..... But to put it in perspective to LATech fans that bowl win was the equivalent of our 1998 season. Look up the last time they had ever won a bowl...1977.

His record seems bad when put up to the standards of this program but he wasn't coaching this program with these resources. But put into proper context he did great. Seriously had he put up that same type of record and vandy you'd be like wow thats great because 17-20 is good for a Vanderbilt. LAtech was the vandy of the WAC. In that light he did just fine.

Seriously it's like you saw some guy in a race against ferrari's while he is in a yugo and saying he sucks because he only placed in a few races. The fact fact he placed at all much less won a few means a lot more. 17-20 at LATech is more impressive than going say 25-12 at UT and thats a fact jack.
 
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Volfan_TrappedN_KY said:
Dooley is Fulmer 2.0

150lbs less and better hair

The Sheep are blind though
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If Dooley can go 45-5 in his first 5 years on the job and win a national title, I think most Vol fans could live with that. Fulmer was a good coach early on but let the program slip. Any comparison of Dooley to Fulmer is absurd.

Give Dooley a chance he hasn't even coached a game yet.

Gunner
 
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gunner said:
If Dooley can go 45-5 in his first 5 years on the job and win a national title, I think most Vol fans could live with that. Fulmer was a good coach early on but let the program slip. Any comparison of Dooley to Fulmer is absurd.

Give Dooley a chance he hasn't even coached a game yet.

Gunner
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Fulmer was never a good coach. He just was the beneficiary of the fact that there was only one other SEC team worth a damn for the first half of his tenure. When the rest of the SEC woke up and hired real coaches, well, you saw what happened.
 
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pimo1 said:
And the year before they won a Bowl game he was on track to changing that school around. So in the last 3 years he won just as many bowl games as UT..... But to put it in perspective to LATech fans that bowl win was the equivalent of our 1998 season. Look up the last time they had ever won a bowl...1977.

His record seems bad when put up to the standards of this program but he wasn't coaching this program with these resources. But put into proper context he did great. Seriously had he put up that same type of record and vandy you'd be like wow thats great because 17-20 is good for a Vanderbilt. LAtech was the vandy of the WAC. In that light he did just fine.

Seriously it's like you saw some guy in a race against ferrari's while he is in a yugo and saying he sucks because he only placed in a few races. The fact fact he placed at all much less won a few means a lot more. 17-20 at LATech is more impressive than going say 25-12 at UT and thats a fact jack.
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No, my point is just that they regressed in 2009... and they did. I'm not saying it isn't a tough job, but the team got arguably worse from his first year to his third year ... not sure how that amounts to a "run."
 
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Volfan8282 said:
I'm not a Dooley hater, but how was he "on track"? LA Tech went 4-8 last year... regardless of the reasons people want to throw out there. I wouldn't consider his time there as a "run" that he made.
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the answer to your question, provided in another thread by an LA Tech fan:

Originally Posted by LaTechfan101
Regarding Wins/Losses and the state of the program

By far, he left the program better off than from when he found it. He recruited better athletes. Our defense was vastly improved. Everything about his organizational structure was an improvement. And it got better every year. He retained his coordinators. He put the program into a position to win, and we played sound fundamental football. We went from not being able to stay on the field with BCS and solid opponents in the last few years of our previous regime and Dooley’s first season to beating Mississippi State and Fresno State in 08 (and a bowl win), and losing close games to Boise State and LSU in 09.

The other thing that has to be said is the fact injuries decimated our team this past season. Not perhaps preventable injuries like sprains or strains or pulls but things like broken legs. Multiple injuries during the game cost us the Idaho and Fresno State games. We had to play an incredible number of backups against Boise and LSU. During the LSU game, we had 10 starters in the game who had not started against Auburn in week 1. That included three freshman O lineman. On our touchdown play that put us ahead at the half, the right guard and slot receiver were both walk-on freshmen. It was amazing we played as well as we did towards the end of the year. Dooley get a lot of deserved credit for that.
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#189
Wtf...Louisiana Tech is not the Vandy of the WAC...they have among the best talent bases in the conference. Comparatively, they're more like Georgia.
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#190
Nothing here. You really expect middle aged men to NEVER mix a position/town/name/year up?? I mean really? Excuse them if they get JaMarcus Pope from Maple Springs, IN who is a 218 lb LB prospect for '11, confused with Marcus Pope from Maple Wood, IL, who is 207 lb saftey for '12. (Made up) Also as far as them not knowing the other kid was there, it either means he came on his own, and expected treatment and is butthurt, or he didn't communicate to the right person that he planned on attending. If they want him and he wants to be a vol, there's more than enuff time to correct a mistake. No one got mad when Kiff told a 5* QB to look elsewhere.
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Orangekush423 said:
Nothing here. You really expect middle aged men to NEVER mix a position/town/name/year up?? I mean really? Excuse them if they get JaMarcus Pope from Maple Springs, IN who is a 218 lb LB prospect for '11, confused with Marcus Pope from Maple Wood, IL, who is 207 lb saftey for '12. (Made up) Also as far as them not knowing the other kid was there, it either means he came on his own, and expected treatment and is butthurt, or he didn't communicate to the right person that he planned on attending. If they want him and he wants to be a vol, there's more than enuff time to correct a mistake. No one got mad when Kiff told a 5* QB to look elsewhere.
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I did....
 
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gunner said:
If Dooley can go 45-5 in his first 5 years on the job and win a national title, I think most Vol fans could live with that. Fulmer was a good coach early on but let the program slip. Any comparison of Dooley to Fulmer is absurd.

Give Dooley a chance he hasn't even coached a game yet.

Gunner
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Those numbers sound a bit off. Fulmer won a title in his 6th year, and he lost more than 5 games his first 5 seasons (more like 10). In fact, I'm pretty sure he lost 5 games to Florida his first 5 full seasons as head coach, although he beat them as an interim.

But yes, if Dooley went 45-5 in his first 5 seasons and won a national title we would be ecstatic.
 
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Our QB situation in 2009 was awful, looking back. We had the city of Crompton, who had arguably the worst season of any QB in the history of Tennessee football in 2008. There was "Pick" Nick Stephens, and anybody that was behind them on the depth chart really isn't worth mentioning to start with.

That's why I was a little mad that Kiff told Boyd to go somewhere else.
 
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When things get bad, Derek can call his dad Vince for advice. Vince was a master at badmouthing his own team and building up the opponent, which he will teach derek.
 
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VKAman said:
Wtf...Louisiana Tech is not the Vandy of the WAC...they have among the best talent bases in the conference. Comparatively, they're more like Georgia.
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Oh yeah they dominate that conference all the time, I consistently see them in bowl games as well. How many WAC championships do they have again? They have been to 5 bowls since 1977 won 1 under CDD and have 1 conference championship since joining. They are consistently one of the worst college football teams in the nation.
 
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