Dooley is over his head

#227
#227
VolsRule said:
Why didn't UT wait out a big time coach at a bigger school?
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Because Mike Hamilton thought if we didn't hire someone within 3 days of Kiffin's departure that all of our recruits would leave, even though he forced all the EEs to stay.
 
#228
#228
VKAman said:
It does if people are suggesting he engineered some huge turnaround by going 17-20 instead of 16-20...
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The best anyone can "reasonably" say is that he improved the program and had them headed in the right direction. That seems to be the consensus from LT and LSU fans.

I don't know and it does not matter. MH hired him. I don't know exactly what options were still available to MH when he pulled the trigger. Maybe we would have made the same or a different call. I am pretty confident that MH felt it was the decision most likely to save his neck.

But again, he's been hired in spite of that record. It is a done deal. Time to move on to something else.

Did someone bring his record up as proof of a turn around? The only time I've seen this argument is when someone brought it up as a reason to conclude he's a failure before he actually coaches a game or signs his own recruiting class.
 
#230
#230
SGMVols said:
Because Mike Hamilton thought if we didn't hire someone within 3 days of Kiffin's departure that all of our recruits would leave, even though he forced all the EEs to stay.
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He was probably right. AND if he had waited until the recruiting class fell apart it would have made it that much more unlikely that a top shelf prospect would have taken the job.

It will be tough enough for DD to keep the job due to having so much youth and such a thin roster. If this recruiting class had fallen apart then UT would have a roster with only about 60 of 85 scholarships filled with non-walkons.
 
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#231
sjt18 said:
Did someone bring his record up as proof of a turn around? The only time I've seen this argument is when someone brought it up as a reason to conclude he's a failure before he actually coaches a game or signs his own recruiting class.
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Haven't you heard? LT is the Vandy of the WAC. Coaches don't normally have that type of record there. Except for the coach before Dooley...and the one before that...
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#232
#232
VKAman said:
Haven't you heard? LT is the Vandy of the WAC. Coaches don't normally have that type of record there. Except for the coach before Dooley...and the one before that...
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It is no more a proof against what he will do than a proof for it. Mostly I see it brought up as a proof that he will fail at UT... it simply isn't that.
 
#233
#233
SGMVols said:
Because Mike Hamilton thought if we didn't hire someone within 3 days of Kiffin's departure that all of our recruits would leave, even though he forced all the EEs to stay.
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Because not having a coach 2 weeks before NSD would have been a bit silly. As far as making the EE's stay that was AFTER the hire. Let's say we didn't hire a coach of some type at best we salvage some portion of what we had signed as opposed to basically holding pat and adding a few. To clarify those EE's would have had to GET ON CAMPUS for him to make them stay.. without a quick hire most of them would never have gotten here.

I agree that patience is sometimes the best strategy
in a perfect world. This ain't it, if USC was patient Kiffin would still be here because they would have looked harder for a replacement. If Mike Hamilton AD waited and we lost half our recruiting class and still didn't get a big name coach then what? Seriously we offered pretty much everyone under the sun and none of them even had to think hard before saying no.

How about someone name 1 just 1 person that was interested in the job AND would have been a clearly better option than Dooley? There is none we got the best we could in the situation put before us. Don't blame MH for not having a crystal ball. No one could have predicted the chain of events that lead to this current predicament. He could have set a higher buyout on Kiffin but then maybe Kiffin never signs with UT he took a good gamble and lost. With Dooley maybe he didn't need to put in the big buyout but then again if he didn't everyone would be saying he was making the same mistake again.

The Vol Nation has a habit of asking for thing's and then when we get them complaining about them incessantly. Everyone wanted CPF to bring in new blood. He relented at a really bad time and did and it got him fired. We had 2 bad years with the guy and to read these forums he was the worst football coach ever born.
 
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#234
pimo1 said:
The Vol Nation has a habit of asking for thing's and then when we get them complaining about them incessantly. Everyone wanted CPF to bring in new blood. He relented at a really bad time and did and it got him fired. We had 2 bad years with the guy and to read these forums he was the worst football coach ever born.
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I could have saved a minute of my life if I had skipped the rest of your post and just read this garbage paragraph at the end. If you think Fulmer only had 2 bad years at UT, you have the same standards as South Carolina.
 
#236
#236
VKAman said:
Yeah, going 4-8 at a program with a .567 winning percentage represents huge improvement from the norm.
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I never said anything about Dooley's record, I responded to you comparing LA Tech in the WAC to Georgia in the SEC. Ignorance
 
#239
#239
Sabanocchio said:
This is hilarious. We're talking about a guy that we don't even like enough to have offered. And at what point do you put the blame on the kid rather than the coaches when the kid called the recruiting office rather than a coach, and all the information on where the recruits need to go is on the friggin' official website. It's not even his first trip to Knoxville or Neyland. The dude didn't have anyone's number to call to figure out where he needed to go? He didn't have the recruiting office's number to find out? There were plenty of other recruits there who had no problem figuring out where they were supposed to be.

I mean, seriously, lets wait to criticize this staffs recruting efforts until February. I promise you we will have a full OL class made up of very talented players. It doesn't look like Trip Thurman will be among them though.

This staffs' recruiting efforts are very focused. They target their guys and the players that they feel they have a real shot at landing and they work their tails off. I think you all will be happy with the results. Things are about to heat up in a really good way in recruiting.
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This
 
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#240
sjt18 said:
FTR, I have yet to see an LSU fan comment on DD without mentioning that they thought of him as a near term replacement for Miles. That's a pretty decent testimony from people who saw his work much more closely than we did.
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^^^^^^^^^^^This
 
#241
#241
pimo1 said:
The only thing that's wrong here is vol's fans acting like the opposition. It is sad plain sad when UK and FL and even *gasp BAMA fans are some of the few voices of reason in our forums and you guys should be ashamed.
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Do you really think it is a good thing that our rival fans are trying to make us feel better about this hire. You are kidding right????come on into the briarpatch Burr rabbit!!!!
 
#242
#242
Anyone who thinks that every coach out there remembers every single player they have talked to is delusional. These are guys we don't have enough interest to offer. Plus he didn't even let the coaches know personally.

You guys need to just back off, and go watch some baseball or something. There has to be a better way to spend your time in the spring.
 
#243
#243
That is why you do not let the media control what you think. Let Dooley and his staff worry about football they know what they are doing. Form your own ideal of the guy, don't let somebody else do it for you.
 
#244
#244
Fijivol72 said:
heard we hired the WAC mediocrity. HE IS ABSOLUTELY out of his league, at best he is a mid major coach with an average record. But that doesn't concern me as much as the word he was suppose to be so organized. Now this is the second mistake, the kid from NC who was snubbed and verbal's to Clemson and now this mess. It does not bode well, and the apologist just keep on thinking it's not important is their usual comeback. No problem with Aaron not coming back, no problem with Bryce walking, no problem with Stephens feeling shafted, no problem it's early we don't need any verbal's. It is absolute crap and this guy doesn't have a clue and most people are seeing it for what it is. Dooley can't hold Kiffin's jock strap recruiting and that is a fact so please spare me the insulting comparison. This coach is heading down a bad road and unfortunately we have to ride with this loser.
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you have no chains holding you to this team.please feel free to leave at anytime you see fit.like right now would be a good time.:)
 
#245
#245
Before you start claiming facts, how about looking for some!! As recruiting coordinators , each coach has two #1 rated classes. My opinion is that it would be harder to recruit to LSU than to USC. So I give the edge to DOOLEY!
 
#246
#246
ihateflorida said:
Before you start claiming facts, how about looking for some!! As recruiting coordinators , each coach has two #1 rated classes. My opinion is that it would be harder to recruit to LSU than to USC. So I give the edge to DOOLEY!
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Now, all you need to do is show when Dooley was an NFL head coach, and I'll agree.
 
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#248
Fijivol72 said:
Do you really think it is a good thing that our rival fans are trying to make us feel better about this hire. You are kidding right????come on into the briarpatch Burr rabbit!!!!
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Obviously the few rival fans that visit this site are smarter than you. Dooley has been on the job for four months. You are an imbecile, go cheer for another team because no one wants you here.
 
#250
#250
Wow,what a great thread...right on brother...


Too think what insight Ive missed working the last 2 months...

Man, I wish I knew you personally so I could ***** slap you for everybody who wasted time reading this ****..
 
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