Dooley = Genuis?

[1utfbfan]

Year 4 or 5? THEN the recruiting will pick up? And you really think this is a plan that can work? Dooley can not out coach anyone. He has proven that time and time again. If he does not have more talent at every position, he loses. If it is even talent, he loses. Recruiting has taken a step back this year in my opinion as kids are starting to lose faith in what Dools is selling. All you see being posted on the recruiting forum is "that kid is just waiting to see if we win before he commits". So, by some miracle that Dooley learns how to coach between now and 2015, we can figure on landing some high profile recruits. Yeah, let's just pay this lame duck another 6+ million dollars to see if he can figure it out. :crazy:

Get over it Phil, your history

 

[FEARinSEC]

HE LED US TO A LOSS AGAINST KENTUCKY FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 27 YEARS!!!!! IT WAS ONE OF THE WORST TEAMS IN RECENT KENTUCKY HISTORY.....A TEAM UTILIZING A WR AS THEIR QB!!!!!

That blows a hole in your theory of not getting beaten by scrubs.

By your logic, Saban should have been fired after that loss to La-Monroe.

Damn sure wish that would have happened!

 

[T_man]

Prefaces: Long post, Requires an open mind, You'll have to stay with me

SN: The first part of this post is just briefing/rehashing where we've been as a program recently. So if you are too lazy to read it all, you can get to the main point by scrolling to the part that has a bunch of *******************s above it. That's where I lay out my idea/argument.

So going back to what has transpired the last 5 years, the extremely cliche, yet equally accurate story/description of what has happened to UT can be almost recited in the most avid Vol fan's sleep.

3 coaches in 3 years (5 now), 3 consecutive recruiting classes are busts (2007-2009), etc etc we all know the routine.

The average fan looks at UT's program and is frustrated at where we are and where we've been. Some find comfort in progress, some will settle for nothing less than winning right now. I'm pretty sure we call these "Posivols" and "Negavols".

Regardless of your stance on Dooley and the program, or whether you are either of the two aforementioned types of fan of the Vols, most likely you understood that when Dooley was hired, or perhaps it was obvious soon thereafter, that this job was a rebuilding job and getting back to our winning ways was going to be a process.

With that being said, here's the argument I'm about to make. You can accept it, reject it, mock it, give me a tl;dr...I honestly don't give a flip. But this just popped in my mind so I'm posting it. Buckle up because here we go...

A second ago I said that getting back to our winning ways was going to be a process. Process. PROCESS. Not exactly a fun word. In this "what have you done for me lately" world we live in, results are expected quickly and the patience of a fan base can be equated to the life expectancy of that sketchy goldfish won at the county fair.

I also feel I can say this confidently. Not even the most positive of Posivols are going to wait on Dooley if he doesn't get a signature win or at least a couple of quality wins here soon. However, the following is not necessarily an argument to wait on Dooley, but more or less an argument and analysis of Dooley that will attempt to refute those who simply say "Dooley sucks".

Getting back to the word process, I think this describes Dooley. He is a man of process. He doesn't recruit with hot sauce, he's not a quick-fix kind of guy. Over the last 3 years, that has been made evident. The progress Dooley has made has not been the kind that has shown up in the win column...yet.

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With Dooley's slow and steady approach, however, I think he could be more than merely a diamond in the rough. I believe Derek Dooley, if given enough time (key phrase) could be building a program that is geared to have sustained success over a long period of time...a dynasty if you will. However, looking at how bad the situation was when he took over, I would give a rough estimate that in order for that to happen, he would need 6-8 years. In other words, longer than he's going to get unless he starts winning some big games and gets us to at least 8-4 in the next two years (which I personally believe he will get).

If you've been paying close attention to the Derek Dooley tenure, you will notice that there has been slow/incremental progress. Just looking at the roster from where it was two years ago is huge on its own. However, I want to describe a 3 phase plan I believe Dooley has had from the beginning in order to build a "could-be" dynasty.

Phase 1: (Dooley's first two years)
Remembering back to the state of the program when Dooley chose to take this job, it wasn't merely some roster attrition and a few bad seasons. It was essentially a roster overhaul combined with a horrible culture in the midst of an NCAA investigation. Therefore, Dooley, realizing he was starting from scratch, had to build a solid foundation. With a few weeks before signing day, Dooley assembled an overall very average staff (basically all he could get considering the mess we were in) that included a few good coaching prospects (one being himself). He proceeded to recruit safe the next two years in order to bring stability to the program. This meant not going after some higher risk players but probably more talented in preference of players who may have not be as talented, but would remain with the program all 4 years and were character guys/coachable.

Phase 2: (Years 3, 4, and possibly 5)
This is the phase we are currently in, and the last phase we may see if Dooley doesn't come up with some big wins soon. Continuing though...after 2 years of attempting to bring stability to the program, it is safe to say that minus a bad loss to Kentucky that Dooley did just that. Many people will argue that is not true. "Just look at how many coaches left this off-season" they say. Well, it is my personal belief that many of the staff members Dooley had that left, minus 1 or 2, were probably ones Dooley wanted gone after year 1 but since we were still unstable as a program (recruiting wise mainly), Dooley thought better of it to keep them 1 more year. So here we are 2 1/2 years in, and we are not where we want to be as a program just yet, but we have a solid foundation as far as the roster goes, an identity on Defense schematically has been revealed (simply wanting to be a 3-4/multiple defense a la Alabama), and we've made good progress offensively. Dooley has proven that he can assemble a good staff and, probably most encouraging, we are taking more risks on the recruiting front and pursuing players that are elite.

Phase 3: (Year 6 and beyond)
This is the BOOM phase in which all of the potential turns into reality and all the fruit of the labor is shown. This stage includes essentially becoming what we once were in the "good ole days" and possibly much more. This phase will be marked by not only competing for upper-echelon players on the recruiting front, but actually landing many of them. In congruence with our elite recruiting, we will be competing for SEC and National Championships every year. Furthermore, a culture of winning will be restored back to Tennessee and could propel us into another dynasty/golden age of Tennessee football.

Here's the deal. Right now we're about 3/4 to 3/5 of the way into Phase 2. We're not where we want to be, the fruits of the labor aren't showing up in the win column just yet, but could be very very soon. The only way we can even reach phase 3 is if Dooley can plunge himself off of the hotseat and basically prove that he doesn't belong there.

The How: I personally believe Dooley gets 2 more years barring a catastrophic meltdown of a season (6-6 or worse). If Dooley doesn't get to 8 wins this year but is competitive with all rivals and goes 7-5, he will need a big 2013. If Dooley can go 8-4 this year with losses coming to only Fla, UGA, Bama, USCe, all basically top 10 programs, and goes 8-4 or better next year, I believe he's off the hot seat. Nobody's satisfied with 8-4, I'm just saying I think back to back 8-4s takes him off the hot seat.

The Why: No elite recruits want to come to a school where the coach is on the hot seat. Stability is one of the biggest things recruits look at. Once stability is complete, Tennessee will recruit like we did back in the 90s.

The BIG If: If Dooley can make it to years 4 or 5 and manage to at least make it to the SEC championship game, Tennessee will then have shifted into Phase 3. Recruiting will then take off.

The Bottom Line: Regardless of whether Dooley is the man for the job or not, he deserves respect. He took a dumpster fire of a situation, embraced UT in every way, has been a great ambassador for the program and brought back at the very least a semblance of stability. Many Posivols want to give him the benefit of the doubt for those very reasons. Also, he is full of potential. The man is a man of character, has a great personality and is an eloquent speaker, is extremely intelligent, has good pedigree and a well-known name, already has a trademark with the pants and his hair is immaculate. If he was winning, everybody would absolutely love him. Same with any other coach that's winning. A proven coach might could come in here and turn things around in 2 years or so, but honestly, the potential with Dooley is worth waiting to see. Not the whole 6 years, but at least til next year when he has a full roster that's 95 percent his. I think he can do it, and I think that he doesn't suck like a lot of people think he does. He may be slower than we would like, but I honestly think he knows what it takes to get us back and not only that, but to keep us back. I think if he was coaching a Georgia, LSU, or Bama, it wouldn't be so slow and steady because he would already have what he needs, but if he has some success this year and/or next, watch out. The rebuilding will be over and Tennessee will be back. GBO!!! VFL!!!

Thank you for the time and effort you have taken to go into detail assessing the state of the program under Coach Dooley. I think you have stated it well. Success doesn't come overnight when rebuilding a program. Coach Spurrier proves that point. Look how long it has taken him to establish South Carolina. It appears it has been worth the wait. He would have never lasted that long here. I am far more dissappointed with our fan base than I am with our team.

 

[FEARinSEC]

Well what do you suppose he had to sell the last couple of years? If he wins it will pick up. If you are judging him based on anything that happened the last two years (maybe minus the Kentucky game), then it can be argued that you're not even giving hiim a chance. We've played 5 games so far. 2 of them to teams that have been in the top 5 at some point this year.

They're losing faith in what he's selling? Is that why the number 2 WR in the nation has us number 1 on his list. Is that why the number 1 RB in the nation has us in his top 2-3? These are the types of recruits we weren't getting his first two recruiting classes because there wasn't much to sell except just the name Tennessee alone and playing time.

You do realize that 90% of the people you are arguing with are not actually UT fans, right?

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Well what do you suppose he had to sell the last couple of years? If he wins it will pick up. If you are judging him based on anything that happened the last two years (maybe minus the Kentucky game), then it can be argued that you're not even giving hiim a chance. We've played 5 games so far. 2 of them to teams that have been in the top 5 at some point this year.

They're losing faith in what he's selling? Is that why the number 2 WR in the nation has us number 1 on his list. Is that why the number 1 RB in the nation has us in his top 2-3? These are the types of recruits we weren't getting his first two recruiting classes because there wasn't much to sell except just the name Tennessee alone and playing time.

You are correct. I would not have gave him a chance. He is a losing football coach. He did not deserve nor does he deserve to keep a job like the head football coach at Tennessee. Much like Dooley your speaking of dreams. Alot of players list us in their top 2-3. Is that another moral victory? We were supposed to land 2-3 top RBs last year. Oh darn, we missed again. As I have stated in other threads, of course WR is a good position for Dools to recruit and we will land talent there. When you throw it 55 times a game, expect kids to come. We see what that mentality has got us. We are the new Texas Tech but in the SEC. "1st one to score 60 wins".

"The #2 WR and the #1 RB have us high on their list". "These are the kind of recruits we were not getting the past 2 years. I am pretty sure CP was a pretty sought after WR. He is worth at least a TD a game. Seems we traded him for defense. He scores a TD, and the defense gives up 2. "Sal/Dools just needs more time"

Now what do we have to sell to recruits? the name Tenenssee, less playing time, and more of the same losing. Seems like a plan for success to me. :crazy:

 

[Fijivol72]

I'm saying at first, Phase 1 aka first two years, he basically had a free pass. At least in my opinion. The ultimate goal in any program is to win football games. But I'm saying that I believe he knew before he could win big here, there were some things he knew had to be done first. I.e. culture change, actually recruit a roster etc etc. We're not there yet, but we're enough of the way there after two years for it to not be an excuse anymore. So no, that's not what I'm saying. But if he does have success, it's going to seem like it came out of nowhere because like I said, the job Dooley has done (which is a thankless one btw), is not something that could be measured in W/L. Now this year and next year has to be about W/L, but the first two years weren't. Got me?

young man. Although I disagree with everything you have written I respect that even with your youth you have shown patience. About 50% of the time it is a virtue.

 

[sjt18]

Counterpoints to the OP in brief:

1) Dooley hasn't proven he can get it done on game day. He seems to be building a solid foundation and very good roster. He seems to be reasonably good at talent development. But on game day he's 0-1. He's beaten the teams he was supposed to beat minus one. He has yet to beat anyone he should not have beaten. Each time he loses an LSU, UNC, or UGA this year... It builds the case that he just isn't a very good game day coach. If true, he can't be kept. Honestly, he needs more than one signature win.

2) I don't think he wanted Wilcox or Sirmon to leave. I think Hart may have pushed buttons on the others but those guys had made solid progress with the D last year and had more of "their players" on the hook for the '12 class. IMHO, this is a one loss team or maybe even undefeated with Wilcox. I'm not saying CSS can't get it done. It just wasn't a change Dooley and UT needed at that point.

Whether the other coaches were upgrades or not has yet to be seen except for Graham.

3) You don't get to "boom" with a coach that's either on the hot seat because he hasn't won anything significant or is accepted as mediocre because he hasn't won anything. Dooley needs big wins to get the time AND the recruits. No, recruits do not want to play for programs with instability. They also do not want to play for losers. If he does not get those big wins then he is WAY too easy to recruit against.

 

[fade route]

Short post. Only requires ability to understand small numbers.

Dooley is 14-16 at UT...

...4-14 in the SEC, with 3 of those wins against Vandy and UK...

...0-3 against UF and UGA, 0-2 against Bama and USCe (so far)...

...still looking for that "first big win" against a ranked opponent...

...whatever "Phase" UT football is in, it's time to phase out, and go in a different direction.

When the posturing, speculation, and opinionating is done, what remains is the raw data, which cannot be denied...or explained away.

Go Vols.

This. Over. And. Over.
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[BeecherVol]

Counterpoints to the OP in brief:

1) Dooley hasn't proven he can get it done on game day. He seems to be building a solid foundation and very good roster. He seems to be reasonably good at talent development. But on game day he's 0-1. He's beaten the teams he was supposed to beat minus one. He has yet to beat anyone he should not have beaten. Each time he loses an LSU, UNC, or UGA this year... It builds the case that he just isn't a very good game day coach. If true, he can't be kept. Honestly, he needs more than one signature win.

2) I don't think he wanted Wilcox or Sirmon to leave. I think Hart may have pushed buttons on the others but those guys had made solid progress with the D last year and had more of "their players" on the hook for the '12 class. IMHO, this is a one loss team or maybe even undefeated with Wilcox. I'm not saying CSS can't get it done. It just wasn't a change Dooley and UT needed at that point.

Whether the other coaches were upgrades or not has yet to be seen except for Graham.

3) You don't get to "boom" with a coach that's either on the hot seat because he hasn't won anything significant or is accepted as mediocre because he hasn't won anything. Dooley needs big wins to get the time AND the recruits. No, recruits do not want to play for programs with instability. They also do not want to play for losers. If he does not get those big wins then he is WAY too easy to recruit against.

Solid effort. Hard to disagree with any of this.

 

[driley3]

Sigh. When will you people learn that your opinion doesn't matter anyways. You can ***** on the internet all you want, but that doesn't change the facts. Dooley will be here at least two more years.

 

[Scotty's Flat Top]

OP is a jenuis

 

[cd12]

Anyone ever figure out why DD offers the DC position to Buddy Green only to pull it later, bring in Sal and the 3-4? Did he sell his soul for another year?

 

[fade route]

Sigh. When will you people learn that your opinion doesn't matter anyways. You can ***** on the internet all you want, but that doesn't change the facts. Dooley will be here at least two more years.

So at 6-6 this year he stays? For reelz? And you do know 6-6 is entirely possible, right?
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[terrypedigo]

lol:All this clean talent with no problems is really showing.

 

[nashvol1]

Be careful. Factual data, logical thoughts and statistical information is not welcome on VN.

I am in the "he needs to show me something soon camp" but we also can't ignore the condition of the program 3 years ago. To think that he was going to win against SEC level talent the last 2 years is laughable. Granted loss to KY is bad, but a Peyton Manning led team lost to Memphis...it can happen.

The switch to 3-4 on D is killing us this year. If Bray stays, he need s a minimum of 9 wins next year to keep the job.

Either way, he is now in the prove it to me phase.

 

['Boro-vol]

By your logic, Saban should have been fired after that loss to La-Monroe.

Damn sure wish that would have happened!

You miss the point, which was to refute the OP's assertion that we had not been beaten by scrubs.

Referring to that Kentucky team as scrubs, is actually an insult to scrubs everywhere.

 

[thebjd]

Dooley is a genius biding his time before he strikes UF, UGA, Bama and USC down. Do we have a timeline as to when any of those other schools are going to fall back and comply?

 

[minsterodfense#92]

Prefaces: Long post, Requires an open mind, You'll have to stay with me

SN: The first part of this post is just briefing/rehashing where we've been as a program recently. So if you are too lazy to read it all, you can get to the main point by scrolling to the part that has a bunch of *******************s above it. That's where I lay out my idea/argument.

So going back to what has transpired the last 5 years, the extremely cliche, yet equally accurate story/description of what has happened to UT can be almost recited in the most avid Vol fan's sleep.

3 coaches in 3 years (5 now), 3 consecutive recruiting classes are busts (2007-2009), etc etc we all know the routine.

The average fan looks at UT's program and is frustrated at where we are and where we've been. Some find comfort in progress, some will settle for nothing less than winning right now. I'm pretty sure we call these "Posivols" and "Negavols".

Regardless of your stance on Dooley and the program, or whether you are either of the two aforementioned types of fan of the Vols, most likely you understood that when Dooley was hired, or perhaps it was obvious soon thereafter, that this job was a rebuilding job and getting back to our winning ways was going to be a process.

With that being said, here's the argument I'm about to make. You can accept it, reject it, mock it, give me a tl;dr...I honestly don't give a flip. But this just popped in my mind so I'm posting it. Buckle up because here we go...

A second ago I said that getting back to our winning ways was going to be a process. Process. PROCESS. Not exactly a fun word. In this "what have you done for me lately" world we live in, results are expected quickly and the patience of a fan base can be equated to the life expectancy of that sketchy goldfish won at the county fair.

I also feel I can say this confidently. Not even the most positive of Posivols are going to wait on Dooley if he doesn't get a signature win or at least a couple of quality wins here soon. However, the following is not necessarily an argument to wait on Dooley, but more or less an argument and analysis of Dooley that will attempt to refute those who simply say "Dooley sucks".

Getting back to the word process, I think this describes Dooley. He is a man of process. He doesn't recruit with hot sauce, he's not a quick-fix kind of guy. Over the last 3 years, that has been made evident. The progress Dooley has made has not been the kind that has shown up in the win column...yet.

************************************************
With Dooley's slow and steady approach, however, I think he could be more than merely a diamond in the rough. I believe Derek Dooley, if given enough time (key phrase) could be building a program that is geared to have sustained success over a long period of time...a dynasty if you will. However, looking at how bad the situation was when he took over, I would give a rough estimate that in order for that to happen, he would need 6-8 years. In other words, longer than he's going to get unless he starts winning some big games and gets us to at least 8-4 in the next two years (which I personally believe he will get).

If you've been paying close attention to the Derek Dooley tenure, you will notice that there has been slow/incremental progress. Just looking at the roster from where it was two years ago is huge on its own. However, I want to describe a 3 phase plan I believe Dooley has had from the beginning in order to build a "could-be" dynasty.

Phase 1: (Dooley's first two years)
Remembering back to the state of the program when Dooley chose to take this job, it wasn't merely some roster attrition and a few bad seasons. It was essentially a roster overhaul combined with a horrible culture in the midst of an NCAA investigation. Therefore, Dooley, realizing he was starting from scratch, had to build a solid foundation. With a few weeks before signing day, Dooley assembled an overall very average staff (basically all he could get considering the mess we were in) that included a few good coaching prospects (one being himself). He proceeded to recruit safe the next two years in order to bring stability to the program. This meant not going after some higher risk players but probably more talented in preference of players who may have not be as talented, but would remain with the program all 4 years and were character guys/coachable.

Phase 2: (Years 3, 4, and possibly 5)
This is the phase we are currently in, and the last phase we may see if Dooley doesn't come up with some big wins soon. Continuing though...after 2 years of attempting to bring stability to the program, it is safe to say that minus a bad loss to Kentucky that Dooley did just that. Many people will argue that is not true. "Just look at how many coaches left this off-season" they say. Well, it is my personal belief that many of the staff members Dooley had that left, minus 1 or 2, were probably ones Dooley wanted gone after year 1 but since we were still unstable as a program (recruiting wise mainly), Dooley thought better of it to keep them 1 more year. So here we are 2 1/2 years in, and we are not where we want to be as a program just yet, but we have a solid foundation as far as the roster goes, an identity on Defense schematically has been revealed (simply wanting to be a 3-4/multiple defense a la Alabama), and we've made good progress offensively. Dooley has proven that he can assemble a good staff and, probably most encouraging, we are taking more risks on the recruiting front and pursuing players that are elite.

Phase 3: (Year 6 and beyond)
This is the BOOM phase in which all of the potential turns into reality and all the fruit of the labor is shown. This stage includes essentially becoming what we once were in the "good ole days" and possibly much more. This phase will be marked by not only competing for upper-echelon players on the recruiting front, but actually landing many of them. In congruence with our elite recruiting, we will be competing for SEC and National Championships every year. Furthermore, a culture of winning will be restored back to Tennessee and could propel us into another dynasty/golden age of Tennessee football.

Here's the deal. Right now we're about 3/4 to 3/5 of the way into Phase 2. We're not where we want to be, the fruits of the labor aren't showing up in the win column just yet, but could be very very soon. The only way we can even reach phase 3 is if Dooley can plunge himself off of the hotseat and basically prove that he doesn't belong there.

The How: I personally believe Dooley gets 2 more years barring a catastrophic meltdown of a season (6-6 or worse). If Dooley doesn't get to 8 wins this year but is competitive with all rivals and goes 7-5, he will need a big 2013. If Dooley can go 8-4 this year with losses coming to only Fla, UGA, Bama, USCe, all basically top 10 programs, and goes 8-4 or better next year, I believe he's off the hot seat. Nobody's satisfied with 8-4, I'm just saying I think back to back 8-4s takes him off the hot seat.

The Why: No elite recruits want to come to a school where the coach is on the hot seat. Stability is one of the biggest things recruits look at. Once stability is complete, Tennessee will recruit like we did back in the 90s.

The BIG If: If Dooley can make it to years 4 or 5 and manage to at least make it to the SEC championship game, Tennessee will then have shifted into Phase 3. Recruiting will then take off.

The Bottom Line: Regardless of whether Dooley is the man for the job or not, he deserves respect. He took a dumpster fire of a situation, embraced UT in every way, has been a great ambassador for the program and brought back at the very least a semblance of stability. Many Posivols want to give him the benefit of the doubt for those very reasons. Also, he is full of potential. The man is a man of character, has a great personality and is an eloquent speaker, is extremely intelligent, has good pedigree and a well-known name, already has a trademark with the pants and his hair is immaculate. If he was winning, everybody would absolutely love him. Same with any other coach that's winning. A proven coach might could come in here and turn things around in 2 years or so, but honestly, the potential with Dooley is worth waiting to see. Not the whole 6 years, but at least til next year when he has a full roster that's 95 percent his. I think he can do it, and I think that he doesn't suck like a lot of people think he does. He may be slower than we would like, but I honestly think he knows what it takes to get us back and not only that, but to keep us back. I think if he was coaching a Georgia, LSU, or Bama, it wouldn't be so slow and steady because he would already have what he needs, but if he has some success this year and/or next, watch out. The rebuilding will be over and Tennessee will be back. GBO!!! VFL!!!

Great read. Glad to see some people get it

 

[volroadwarrior]

Actually it is. Basically all you need to know is this. I laid out what I believe Dooley's plan was when He took the job followed by some modifications he's made along the way, and what could be if he has some success within the next 2 years that I believe he will get. If he knew the lumps he would have to take early on, yet believing in his "slow and steady wins the race" plan for success and sustained success after that, while risking his career on it, then yes, Dooley will be a genius.

You can't reason with emotional idiots. May as well not try.:mf_surrender:

 

['Boro-vol]

Dooley is a genius biding his time before he strikes UF, UGA, Bama and USC down. Do we have a timeline as to when any of those other schools are going to fall back and comply?

Yep....he's crafty. He's lulling them into a false sense of security before....BAM!!....he shows them what a true coaching genius he is.

They won't know what hit them. We've got them all right where we want them.

 

[thebjd]

Actually it is. Basically all you need to know is this. I laid out what I believe Dooley's plan was when He took the job followed by some modifications he's made along the way, and what could be if he has some success within the next 2 years that I believe he will get. If he knew the lumps he would have to take early on, yet believing in his "slow and steady wins the race" plan for success and sustained success after that, while risking his career on it, then yes, Dooley will be a genius.

So losing games and recruiting battles to the teams we have to beat is the slow and steady approach to sustained success. I get it now. Genius.

 

[MikeVol44]

Didn't get past the title and already I'm laughing.

Is this for real?

aren't you the same insider genius who had Shannon all sewn up and delivered as our new DC? were you serious?

I'll take CDD over your insider status any day

 

[govols'96]

Dooley will not be here in two years to test your theory. For your sake, he better become a genius, um, starting now.

I Personally think Dooley gets to coach thru next year regardless of this years outcome. But it really doesn't matter what any of us think. Hart will do what Hart wants to do.

 

[TBtheGBwiththeTD]

So losing games and recruiting battles to the teams we have to beat is the slow and steady approach to sustained success. I get it now. Genius.

How do you think we fix this? Magic? Your being short sighted.

 

[barknoxbrawler]

I am in the "he needs to show me something soon camp" but we also can't ignore the condition of the program 3 years ago. To think that he was going to win against SEC level talent the last 2 years is laughable. Granted loss to KY is bad, but a Peyton Manning led team lost to Memphis...it can happen.

The switch to 3-4 on D is killing us this year. If Bray stays, he need s a minimum of 9 wins next year to keep the job.

Either way, he is now in the prove it to me phase.

3-4 is killing us but wins and loses= dooley stays or goes is based on what? Us, on Volnation and the talking heads says he is gone if he goes 6-6 or worse this year? Only the person up top right now has his mind set on if this happens then CDD is gone and know one else. We put a limit on wins and loses as an excuse to get rid of him not the University. Who knows....I hope he stays for 10 more years + and we have multiple 10+ win seasons.