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#151
#151
Ashevillevol said:
Especially considering we don't have a receiver who can beat anyone deep :no:
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Actually the past couple games we have. We did against Bama, but Ainge threw a pick. Saturday we beat SC and this time Ainge put it on the money more or less, I was impressed. Even in the 4&2 debacle Gerald Jones was starting to get separation before he and the SC DB tripped over one another.
 
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#152
goodolerockytop2 said:
We won and it counts......we give our coaches hell on here but until EA is gone and we find another Casey Clausen mentality type QB, gonna be the same result!! OUR Defense can play better when the offense controls the clock, UGA proved that.......Ainge was a thorn in our side aganst Cal and UF and was showing no signs of being a leader, playmaker nor someone who goes out there and puts it all on the line for a first down!!

KOOL AID is ready, let me hear it but you can't contradict much I have said!!

GO VOLS and thank you for the win and efforts!!
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are you kidding me!! You can take the Noodle arm and his "mentality" all you want. Maybe he's learned how to take a snap from the center. Call me when he's playing on Sundays.

I'll take a big gulp of whatever Kool Aid you are drinking and pound of whatever you smoked before writing that post.
 
#153
#153
Ainge is the best QB we've had since Peyton Manning. If you're not thankful for that, go get your head examined.
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#157
#157
goodolerockytop2 said:
no.....I like the 3 -4 or the 4 - 3......prefer the 3 - 4 but we don't have the size for that
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Ahhhhaaaa I found it! You wanted to run a 4-4-1-2!!

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Here is the page of that thread that shows you're a clueless Fulmerista. You'll go down with the Fultanic.

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols/35284-lmao-we-lose-whine-cry-3.html

Everyone, if you're bored, that entire thread is good reading.
 
#158
#158
TreeGreen said:
Actually the past couple games we have. We did against Bama, but Ainge threw a pick. Saturday we beat SC and this time Ainge put it on the money more or less, I was impressed. Even in the 4&2 debacle Gerald Jones was starting to get separation before he and the SC DB tripped over one another.
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It was probably the worst I've seen him throw the ball since his soph year.
 
#159
#159
utvolpj said:
IMO Tee and CC would be in front of EA.
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There is an arguement for the Iceman... but Tee was an average QB with an outstanding supporting cast, IMO.

The numbers will tell the tale when it's all said and done.
 
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#160
Rasputin_Vol said:
Just as ridiculous are those that claim that Ainge "won" this game for Tennessee just because he was behind the center. He did nothing in that game to make you say that he "won it" for us, unless you count handing the ball off to Foster so he could fumble it and have McClendon recover in field goal range... and even then, that lead us to a tying (not go ahead) fg.
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Give it a rest. You're mad because Ainge can't make a drive when it counts. Regardless of how much of the final drive came from his passing yards, he was part of that offense that made the drive to put the SC game into OT. Even if he never made a single pass, we are running a no-huddle, so Ainge contributes to every play.

Another thing. You better never, ever say again that the play-calling in the second half of Florida 2006 was terrible. I can't even count the number of times you previously whined about relying on the running game. Now, you act as if our coaches would be idiots to put anything on the passing game.
 
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#162
Business said:
How many mid season mental breakdowns did Casey Clausen and Tee Martin have?
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Casey was a tough SOB, I'll give you that. That was his strong point.

Martin had a stellar supporting cast- which made him look very good. You don't have mental breakdowns with a team like our '98 squad.

Raw talent as a QB? Only Manning will be better than Ainge. The numbers don't lie. Ainge will surpass the Iceman and Martin.
 
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SWIL said:
Casey was a tough SOB, I'll give you that. That was his strong point.

Martin had a stellar supporting cast- which made him look very good. You don't have mental breakdowns with a team like our '98 squad.

Raw talent as a QB? Only Manning will be better than Ainge. The numbers don't lie. Ainge will surpass the Iceman and Martin.
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I'd still take Clausen over Ainge. Casey did most of his work with subpar wide receivers and zero running game. Yardage-wise, Ainge isn't going to overtake Clausen on the career list.
 
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#167
justingroves said:
Witten, Washington, Stallworth and Jones?
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Stallworth after only one full year for Clausen. Washing played about a 1.3 years with Casey. Witten was good, but underutilized. It was pretty sad that Casey's best receiver his junior year was a tight end. I'm not sure what Jones you're referring to? Montrell Jones? He didn't do much.
 
#168
#168
kptvol said:
Stallworth after only one full year for Clausen. Washing played about a 1.3 years with Casey. Witten was good, but underutilized. It was pretty sad that Casey's best receiver his junior year was a tight end. I'm not sure what Jones you're referring to? Montrell Jones? He didn't do much.
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Mark Jones but he really didn't do too much either.
 
#169
#169
He was probably talking about Mark Jones. When it comes to SEC championships they will both be pretty comparable.

I think if you could stick Casey's competitive spirit in Erik's brain you would find the kind of QB UT has lacked.
 
#170
#170
Lexvol said:
He was probably talking about Mark Jones. When it comes to SEC championships they will both be pretty comparable.

I think if you could stick Casey's competitive spirit in Erik's brain you would find the kind of QB UT has lacked.
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Yes and yes
 
#171
#171
KP has consistently stood up for Casey. Casey was not a bad SEC QB. To expound on my previous comment, Casey was never quite as good as he thought he was, and Erik is too timid to ever reach his potential. Unless he wins a championship, I will consider the debate a wash.
 
#172
#172
justingroves said:
Mark Jones but he really didn't do too much either.
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Wow. He's one of my favorite Vols. I feel dumb for forgetting about him. He did pretty well considering he played pretty much every meaningful down (offense, defense, and special teams) in every game. I think the fact that he was forced to do that indicates something. His example just brings up another travesty. Casey's senior season his two best receivers were a converted quarterback and a converted defensive back. That's pathetic. Wide receiver U should never be that shorthanded.
 
#173
#173
Lexvol said:
KP has consistently stood up for Casey. Casey was not a bad SEC QB. To expound on my previous comment, Casey was never quite as good as he thought he was, and Erik is too timid to ever reach his potential. Unless he wins a championship, I will consider the debate a wash.
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Can't argue too much with that. I will say that Casey and Erik (except in 2005) were not reasons UT didn't win a championship during their college careers.
 
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#174
Lexvol said:
KP has consistently stood up for Casey. Casey was not a bad SEC QB. To expound on my previous comment, Casey was never quite as good as he thought he was, and Erik is too timid to ever reach his potential. Unless he wins a championship, I will consider the debate a wash.
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I'll never bash Casey. I believe Sanders should get credit for making him a good QB while here at UT. He was a tough SOB and he was what 14-1 or 14-2 on the road? I'll also give him credit for winning in the swamp twice.

His problem was when he screwed up, he screwed up bad The bobbled handoff against UGA and not being able to take a frickin snap in the rain against UF and the bowl losses all leave a bad taste in the fans' mouth.

However, QBs always get too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses. It is what it is.
 
#175
#175
kptvol said:
Can't argue too much with that. I will say that Casey and Erik (except in 2005) were not reasons UT didn't win a championship during their college careers.
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The flip side is that neither stepped up in the clutch to propel the Vols to a championship either. Casey was obviously a better leader, and had the trust of his teamates. He was the king of throwing the ball 30 yards down field on 3rd and 4.

It is hard to blame Clausen for the SEC Championship game against LSU, but perhaps with a little more leadership wins that game. Turnovers hurt, but the offense looked directionless in the second half. They had all the tools to win it. The defense clearly bears most of the responsibility for the loss.
 
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