Does butch want Peyton?

#51
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From what I've read, it seems that Butch has decided not to offer PM a position thru the media. If CBJ just said something like, the OC job is his when he wants it, or the QB coaching job is his when he wants it, that would be putting PM on the spot rather than giving him options to take at his leisure.

I can only see good from any amount of time PM spends on the Hill.

It's a great year.

Jump higher Vols.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
I don't think you quoted him correctly. What Butch actually said was "he's welcome to be around our players anytime he wants but coaching is totally different from playing... in the band".

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Awwww he used to be a tender little feller
 
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chattavol420 said:
Yes. All valid points. However, the most important consideration should be...will Peyton being on the staff help us win. And that answer is without question YES
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I accidentally hit the "like" button instead of quote and I don't agree with this.

There is no way to know the impact of Peyton on the staff in the "win" column. To me the answer would be "maybe" not "yes" and not "no".
 
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Ertel said:
Butch is right though, how many alltime great sports stars have made amazing coaches? Not a whole lot or every superbowl team would be led by a hall of famer.
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Sure, but why is that? Just because a lot don't make good coaches doesn't mean that you can write every great player off. The reason many don't make great coaches is because what made them great players was talent and you can't teach talent. Not that he isn't a tremendous talent, but a significant part of Peyton's success is his study and knowledge of the game. I don't have any doubt that he would make a great coach.

I can kind of understand why Butch wouldn't want to be completely overshadowed by one of his assistants. But I'd still take him in a heartbeat if he wanted to coach
 
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Not really sure why people think Peyton would be such a great coach....to my knowledge he has no coaching experience.

Same with why do you think he'd be such a great recruiter? Once again, to my knowledge he's never done it.

Just because he is one of the best UT players of all time and an NFL all time great does not necessarily equate to a great coach.....or even good coach for the much.
 
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footballref said:
Not really sure why people think Peyton would be such a great coach....to my knowledge he has no coaching experience.

Same with why do you think he'd be such a great recruiter? Once again, to my knowledge he's never done it.

Just because he is one of the best UT players of all time and an NFL all time great does not necessarily equate to a great coach.....or even good coach for the much.
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Except for his intelligence and tremendous knowledge of the game...
 
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I would think that Butch should bring him as a recruiting/quality control specialist to get started and then see how things progress from there.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I accidentally hit the "like" button instead of quote and I don't agree with this.

There is no way to know the impact of Peyton on the staff in the "win" column. To me the answer would be "maybe" not "yes" and not "no".
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Wisdom speaketh.
 
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chattavol420 said:
Please don't merge immediately...I know there have been a ton of "Peyton to ut" threads but butchs comments in Memphis made me scratch my head. When asked about the rumors he said we he's welcome to be around our players anytime he wants but coaching is totally different from playing

Please don't kill me here but I've questioned both butchs arrogance and overall intelligence because of various factors. (I've always heaped praise on him for his work ethic and recruiting, but still get labeled as negavol)

So a couple of questions...would butch not want Peyton because that would take credit away from him? Or Is Butch unable to recognize how amazing of an improvement Peyton would immediately make for at both offensive play calling and recruiting? It was just a really weird comment to act like he's maybe not qualified or capable. Peyton was the greatest on the field coach in the history of football. It's way he was so successful as a qb
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How about Butch ain't gonna blow up his staff this late in the game? There ain't a spot. Nice first assumption of arrogance tho...never quit freshening up female dirty front bottoms. :eek:k:
 
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utvolpj said:
Cool so we just need to wait 3-4 years for the offense to get up to speed? But seriously, he did a whole lot more at the line than choose between 3 plays. It would take a rare qb to get to that point in college
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Lol it has already been proven that Peyton went up to the line with 3 plays. Typically 2 runs and a pass. He would fake snap, call motions, have random calls like Ohama (sometimes meant nothing depended on the game, and situation) just to see the defense reveal what they were gonna do. Then he changed the play if needed. I wasnt suggesting an offensive overhaul, and to start with, it would be line up, read the defense and look back at the sideline if needed to change a play. Not that hard...In fact, it doesn't take a Rare QB to call an audible and read defenses. QBs in their JR and SR year are expected to be able to read the D and adjust. Whether that is hot routes, adjusting the lines protection, or even the play.
 
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I think Peyton has everything to lose by coaching at UT. I see him in a consistent volunteer role this season. But if, which is a Gruden sized if :swoon3: he got a job at UT then Butch would welcome him with open arms.

Now 2. The read option and Peyton Manning style football are not exactly a perfect fit.:question:
 
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butchna said:
Jones is "just" OUR coach! Game starts and ends with him. Peyton can attend.
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Manning is larger than life with our fanbase.. Really think Jones want a coordinator or position coach bigger than him.. NO WAY.. Also, Why would Manning ever want to do anything to potentially put a dent in his legacy??? Fantasy island...
 
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Biopsyman said:
Manning is larger than life with our fanbase.. Really think Jones want a coordinator or position coach bigger than him.. NO WAY.. Also, Why would Manning ever want to do anything to potentially put a dent in his legacy??? Fantasy island...
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Yeah I agree -- Why doesnt Marino coach the Pitt Qbs, Favre the So Miss Qbs and so on ......... I never saw Archie Manning coaching Qbs at Ole Miss either
 
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Biopsyman said:
Manning is larger than life with our fanbase.. Really think Jones want a coordinator or position coach bigger than him.. NO WAY.. Also, Why would Manning ever want to do anything to potentially put a dent in his legacy??? Fantasy island...
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Scrub reporter at BR floats unsubstantiated rumor as fact and the usual suspects use it as an opportunity to portray our HC as powerless and petty. :loco: Never change VN.
 
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Maybe butch knows that if he loses a game that the entire fan base would start Peyton for head coach and on and on of course manning would be a huge upgrade for a QB coach and maybe OC but I would think after all this title 9 law suits and manning name getting trashed this would not be the right time for manning or for UT to hire him maybe 2 or 3 years down the road but not now
 
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Seeing as Dobbs can't hit a 12 yard pass down field on a consistent basis, if Peyton wants to come to UT as QB coach, he should be welcomed with open arms.
 
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butchna said:
Scrub reporter at BR floats unsubstantiated rumor as fact and the usual suspects use it as an opportunity to portray our HC as powerless and petty. :loco: Never change VN.
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You never change . Always exaggerating. Powerless and petty?
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Thanks, 420, I appreciate the link.

So here's Butch's response in its entirety, which I think you'll agree is significantly different in tone than the snippet included in the OP:



Break that down:

1. "We talk all the time..." Butch and Peyton have probably already talked about coaching opportunities and the considerations involved...hmm....

2. "...Anything Peyton does he'll be successful..." That doesn't sound like a man saying no.

3. "...but coaching is a completely different animal..." As already discussed, this is a cold, hard truth.

4. "...I welcome him any time he wants...to spend time with our players...." Sounds like there is little hesitance on Butch's part, particularly with part-time or occasional roles.

So this Peyton-to-Tennessee heavy breathing is probably an idea that, while powerful as catnip to some fans, just doesn't seem to fit really well from either Peyton or Butch's perspective. At least not today, who knows what could develop in the next few years?
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I like this response, '82. Peyton can undoubtedly develop into a qb coach or passing game coordinator...or maybe some day into an OC. Maybe. His being associated with UT on a regular basis would no doubt improve Butch's already excellent recruiting; at least on the offensive side of the LOS. We've gotta' believe Butch's got enough common sense to appreciate having such an icon of the game around as much as possible, with a strong possibility of his eventually working into a day-to-day spot on the staff. Peyton's just 39. There's lots of time for him to get hired on the hill. Besides. We really don't know what PM and CBJ have discussed. Is Butch being coy about chat's with Mister Wonderful regarding his coming to the Hill in the future?
 
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While I do believe being a college qb coach is beneath manning, y'all acting like its a question mark if pm would be a good qb coach is RIDICULOUS!!!! If PM decides to let anybody pick his brain about football I'm sure they'll find out that he's a genius when it comes to the game of football. Does anybody on here actually think anybody on Tennessee's staff can read defenses better the PM?
 
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vols 30 said:
You never change . Always exaggerating. Powerless and petty?
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He's either overshadowed or threatened by Peyton...no middle ground option presented by the OP...speaking of "never changing". :)
 
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