Does butch want Peyton?

[Bigorangejumpsuit]

And fwiw, if Butch was to have an off season or two, it would be much easier to move someone else up (Peyton) in the head coach slot. See Majors/Fulmer. So if you're on the hot seat, or almost on the hot seat, would you hire someone that 99% of the fanbase idolizes, and would love to see as a coach? Could very well be hiring your replacement.

Succession Planning........

 

[ksgovols]

This is all so "Gruden is a lock" like.

I hate our fanbase sometimes.....We click bait way more than we should.

Those of you that are students, please put your Volnation username at the top of your resume'....

 

[chattavol420]

And fwiw, if Butch was to have an off season or two, it would be much easier to move someone else up (Peyton) in the head coach slot. See Majors/Fulmer. So if you're on the hot seat, or almost on the hot seat, would you hire someone that 99% of the fanbase idolizes, and would love to see as a coach? Could very well be hiring your replacement.

I think he would be very wise to make the hire because it would dramatically increase his chances at being successful here

 

[FLVOL_79]

Does peanut butter want jelly?

 

[Biopsyman]

Future NFL owner... Book it

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Butch reacts to question about Peyton Coaching at UT

Here's what I read. It was only one sentence so it didn't seem necessary to link.

Thanks, 420, I appreciate the link.

So here's Butch's response in its entirety, which I think you'll agree is significantly different in tone than the snippet included in the OP:

"...We talk all the time and anything Peyton does he'll be successful, but coaching is a completely different animal than playing [as] any great player would tell you[.] I welcome him any time he wants to come in to Tennessee and spend time with our players he's been great that way and very willing to do that."

Break that down:

1. "We talk all the time..." Butch and Peyton have probably already talked about coaching opportunities and the considerations involved...hmm....

2. "...Anything Peyton does he'll be successful..." That doesn't sound like a man saying no.

3. "...but coaching is a completely different animal..." As already discussed, this is a cold, hard truth.

4. "...I welcome him any time he wants...to spend time with our players...." Sounds like there is little hesitance on Butch's part, particularly with part-time or occasional roles.

So this Peyton-to-Tennessee heavy breathing is probably an idea that, while powerful as catnip to some fans, just doesn't seem to fit really well from either Peyton or Butch's perspective. At least not today, who knows what could develop in the next few years?

 

[basspond]

Please done merge immediately...I know there have been a ton of "Peyton to ut" threads but butchs comments in Memphis made me scratch my head. When asked about the rumors he said we he's welcome to be around our players anytime he wants but coaching is totally different from playing

Please don't kill me here but I've questioned both butchs arrogance and overall intelligence because of various factors. (I've always heaped praise on him for his work ethic and recruiting, but still get labeled as negavol)

So a couple of questions...would butch not want Peyton because that would take credit away from him? Or Is Butch unable to recognize how amazing of an improvement Peyton would immediately make for at both offensive play calling and recruiting? It was just a really weird comment to act like he's maybe not qualified or capable. Peyton was the greatest on the field coach in the history of football. It's way he was so successful as a qb

My take-away was a pretty simple perspective that Butch did not want to speak for someone else or put any pressure on Peyton by saying the wrong thing. Not going to burn a bridge nor say "yes, I offered him a job".

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

Are you ****ting me???? You think Peyton Manning wouldn't qualify as a OC at the college level. He's always been known as one of the most intelligent QB's of all time. He's studied the game and defenses maybe more than any other human being in the last 20 years.

If Peyton Manning wanted to be an OC at any level he would be a day one success. Not because he was a great QB, because he worked as hard in the film room as he did on the field.

No college in their right mind is going to hand over the reigns of their offense to a guy who has 0 experience coaching at the high school, collegiate or NFL level. That's all I meant by him not qualifying to be an OC. With a few years as a QB (or WR / RB even) coach he could definitely qualify to call that shots, at least in terms of play calling. Spurrier, Harbaugh, Garrett, T Martin, June Jones etc all took similar paths. It takes time.

 

[Volador]

If Peyton were to coach anywhere, he would be a huge distraction to the respective team, and that is one reason why this Vol fan would be nervous if he joined Butch's staff. The other would be what if hypothetically, AirDobbs has a bad year under Peyton - think of all the negative media buzz.

However, I'd still be willing to risk all that because after all, we are talking about the greatest NFL QB of all time, right??

 

[chattavol420]

Thanks, 420, I appreciate the link.

So here's Butch's response in its entirety, which I think you'll agree is significantly different in tone than the snippet included in the OP:



Break that down:

1. "We talk all the time..." Butch and Peyton have probably already talked about coaching opportunities and the considerations involved...hmm....

2. "...Anything Peyton does he'll be successful..." That doesn't sound like a man saying no.

3. "...but coaching is a completely different animal..." As already discussed, this is a cold, hard truth.

4. "...I welcome him any time he wants...to spend time with our players...." Sounds like there is little hesitance on Butch's part, particularly with part-time or occasional roles.

So this Peyton-to-Tennessee heavy breathing is probably an idea that, while powerful as catnip to some fans, just doesn't seem to fit really well from either Peyton or Butch's perspective. At least not today, who knows what could develop in the next few years?

I appreciate your perspective. And while its objective I would counter that if Butch wanted Peyton he could have handled the question much differently. He could have said if Peyton would come to tn it would be an absolute dream for us. The guy has been so incredibly successful...we'd be ecstatic to have him on our staff.
I think you'll agree that's hardly what he said. Which is what got me thinking about wether or not Butch would welcome him here.

 

[TAF]

According to Butch...

Peyton has to work on his "ice cream etiquette" before he can be an effective Coach/Recruiter...

 

[VFL-82-JP]

I appreciate your perspective. And while its objective I would counter that if Butch wanted Peyton he could have handled the question much differently. He could have said if Peyton would come to tn it would be an absolute dream for us. The guy has been so incredibly successful...we'd be ecstatic to have him on our staff.
I think you'll agree that's hardly what he said. Which is what got me thinking about wether or not Butch would welcome him here.

Yeah, Butch's own personal feelings on the possibility have got to be hugely complicated. Some of the many things he simultaneously thinks about it might include:

• Excitement at the recruiting possibilities;
• Concern for his other coaches; one of them would have to lose a job to make room for Peyton;
• Deep curiosity (along with the rest of us) at whether Peyton's playing acumen would translate into coaching X&O talent;
• A bit of hesitance to bring on board a guy the entire fan base loves more than they love you;
• A similar (but different) bit of hesitance to bring on board a fellow "alpha male"...rarely is there room for two in a single pack;
• and on and on.

It's a hugely complicated consideration, from Butch's perspective. Literally dozens of things to put in the equation.

 

[basspond]

If Peyton were to coach anywhere, he would be a huge distraction to the respective team, and that is one reason why this Vol fan would be nervous if he joined Butch's staff. The other would be what if hypothetically, AirDobbs has a bad year under Peyton - think of all the negative media buzz.

However, I'd still be willing to risk all that because after all, we are talking about the greatest NFL QB of all time, right??

Absolutely! The potential rewards outweigh the risk.

 

[TNnative]

Please done merge immediately...I know there have been a ton of "Peyton to ut" threads but butchs comments in Memphis made me scratch my head. When asked about the rumors he said we he's welcome to be around our players anytime he wants but coaching is totally different from playing

Please don't kill me here but I've questioned both butchs arrogance and overall intelligence because of various factors. (I've always heaped praise on him for his work ethic and recruiting, but still get labeled as negavol)

So a couple of questions...would butch not want Peyton because that would take credit away from him? Or Is Butch unable to recognize how amazing of an improvement Peyton would immediately make for at both offensive play calling and recruiting? It was just a really weird comment to act like he's maybe not qualified or capable. Peyton was the greatest on the field coach in the history of football. It's way he was so successful as a qb

OK, some sportswriter mentions he "heard" from 'reliable sources" during the offseason that Peyton would consider coaching QBs at UT. Nothing else to write about right now, and he still has to sell subscriptions or get clicks on a website. So, you jump all over it, but I don't think you really thought it out.

-Yes, Peyton may have been, as you say, "the greatest on field coach in the history of football." Does that translate to him being a great coach? Not automatically. Is there plenty of things guys like Dobbs, Dormady, Jones, Guarantano, Jancek, and even Jennings if needed might learn from Peyton? Plenty have learned from him at the Manning Passing Academy, but he has only worked with players a week at a time so far. Does he have the patience to put up with dumb questions they may ask over a longer period of time? Before Butch hires him, that is things you find out before you hire him on name alone.

-You seem to be thinking play calling would be part of Peyton's duties. All the rumors have stated that Peyton might be a position coach, not an OC. And as much as we all admire Peyton, to think he is going to walk in anywhere and assume play calling duties is just wreckless until he gets some real booth experience. The field and the booth are alot like being on 2 different planets.

chattavol, you seem like an OK guy, but please think about putting D4H on ignore. You are seriously starting to think like him, and that ain't good. Save yourself.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Even if he were to coach he wouldnt qualify to be an OC at collegiate level so please get out of here with this "amzing improvement" in play-calling non-sense. That said, he would most likely make an excellent QB coach. If he were to excel as a QB coach, then he could be moved up to passing game coordinator - but even that takes time at the collegiate level.

The fact that you are questioning Butch's intelligence shows just how little you understand on this matter. Butch is right. Coaching vs Playing are two entirely different beasts. It's common sense.

Whatever man most of the guys on here are better qualified than DeBord because of their awesome ability on Xbox.

 

[chattavol420]

Yeah, Butch's own personal feelings on the possibility have got to be hugely complicated. Some of the many things he simultaneously thinks about it might include:

• Excitement at the recruiting possibilities;
• Concern for his other coaches; one of them would have to lose a job to make room for Peyton;
• Deep curiosity (along with the rest of us) at whether Peyton's playing acumen would translate into coaching X&O talent;
• A bit of hesitance to bring on board a guy the entire fan base loves more than they love you;
• A similar (but different) bit of hesitance to bring on board a fellow "alpha male"...rarely is there room for two in a single pack;
• and on and on.

It's a hugely complicated consideration, from Butch's perspective. Literally dozens of things to put in the equation.

Yes. All valid points. However, the most important consideration should be...will Peyton being on the staff help us win. And that answer is without question YES

 

[volinbama256]

Peyton is too big and complicated of a situation for Butch to specify about at this point. He must generalize things, he knows whatever he says will be magnified and run through the press, just like what is happening now. I am sure they have had discussions on the possibility and what positive or negative short term and long term effects it would have on the overall program. Butch has to tread lightly here with what he says.... I don't think he meant anything negative by "coaching is a totally different animal", he was just giving a little coach-speak to push the press back... At least I HOPE he knows what Peyton would bring... will be interesting to see how this develops, but I do think something is there, at what capacity who knows, but something is there....

 

[VolFan4Life87]

Peyton doesn't fit into any part of Jones' offensive scheme. He could be a QB coach at the very best, focused entirely on throwing mechanics, 'feeling pressure', etc. and help the QB with pre-snap reads, but I could never see him as OC under Jones.

 

[tallyho]

The bigger question is whether Peyton would fit as the OC for Tennessee relative to the current offense scheme CBJ is running. He could work well with a pro-style offense but not sure how he would do with the spread. He certainly could help the QB in passing efficiency for sure.

 

[VolForLife83]

This is going to come back and bite us in the ass.

 

[golf437]

Please don't merge immediately...I know there have been a ton of "Peyton to ut" threads but butchs comments in Memphis made me scratch my head. When asked about the rumors he said we he's welcome to be around our players anytime he wants but coaching is totally different from playing

Please don't kill me here but I've questioned both butchs arrogance and overall intelligence because of various factors. (I've always heaped praise on him for his work ethic and recruiting, but still get labeled as negavol)

So a couple of questions...would butch not want Peyton because that would take credit away from him? Or Is Butch unable to recognize how amazing of an improvement Peyton would immediately make for at both offensive play calling and recruiting? It was just a really weird comment to act like he's maybe not qualified or capable. Peyton was the greatest on the field coach in the history of football. It's way he was so successful as a qb

So silly but worth a laugh.

 

[IBlvNTmWrk]

Please don't merge immediately...I know there have been a ton of "Peyton to ut" threads but butchs comments in Memphis made me scratch my head. When asked about the rumors he said we he's welcome to be around our players anytime he wants but coaching is totally different from playing

I don't think you quoted him correctly. What Butch actually said was "he's welcome to be around our players anytime he wants but coaching is totally different from playing... in the band".

 

[Ertel]

Butch is right though, how many alltime great sports stars have made amazing coaches? Not a whole lot or every superbowl team would be led by a hall of famer.

 

[barrylee]

To coach under him, on staff, in an official capacity? No.

To volunteer his time to work with players in an unofficial capacity? Yes.

There are many ways for Peyton to be involved with, and help, the program without making it a full-time job.

Totally agree. It seems to me there are too many chances for things to happen and damage the relationship between Peyton and Butch and UT for that matter.

Unofficial capacity is the way to go in my humble opinion.

 

[Chilmonty]

Publicly Butch CANNOT say "Yeah I want Peyton to come in now cause my coaches SUCK!"

Privately though Butch said "Peyton would you come coach now cause my coaches SUCK? PLEEEAASSEE??" :birgits_giggle:

Just kidding, don't Taze me Bro's!




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